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Sasuke vs Ulquiorra

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karo_senpaii said:
Scan of a hollow corrupting people by just existing and not even in contact with them
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In Episode 3 of TYBW Cour 2 (I think, it might be 4 or 5), Toshiro's reiatsu making contact with Cang Du almost killed him. The pill made the Shinigami's reiryoku, or whatever, hollow-like, so that the Bankai would poison the Quincy passively. As seen in many instances, souls always leak reiryoku, so Sasuke getting close to Ulquiorra would poison him.

Masaki was undergoing Hollowfication; that was the whole point of Aizen creating White in the first place (to Hollowfy Isshin). Urahara said that Quincy could not survive Hollowfication.

Quilge stated that Sklaverei returned reiatsu to its purest form, so he didn't absorb Hollow reiatsu from Ayon.
 
Bastolan27 said:
In Episode 3 of TYBW Cour 2 (I think, it might be 4 or 5), Toshiro's reiatsu making contact with Cang Du almost killed him. The pill made the Shinigami's reiryoku, or whatever, hollow-like, so that the Bankai would poison the Quincy passively. As seen in many instances, souls always leak reiryoku, so Sasuke getting close to Ulquiorra would poison him.

Masaki was undergoing Hollowfication; that was the whole point of Aizen creating White in the first place (to Hollowfy Isshin). Urahara said that Quincy could not survive Hollowfication.

Quilge stated that Sklaverei returned reiatsu to its purest form, so he didn't absorb Hollow reiatsu from Ayon.
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1. It was not just toshiro reiatsu, it was toshiro bankai that contained a fragment of a hollow and that was literally on cang du.
2.yes quincy cannot survive the hollowfication due to not having anti bodies.

Once again masaki did not start falling down and dying just coz white was near her.

Ishida does not just slump and start dying around hollows . It is not that basic. You have yet to present one scan of soul corruption without contact.

All these leaking reatsu is irrelevant. The poison is not in their energy but in their physiology. It is biological
 
karo_senpaii said:
1. It was not just toshiro reiatsu, it was toshiro bankai that contained a fragment of a hollow and that was literally on cang du.
2.yes quincy cannot survive the hollowfication due to not having anti bodies.

Once again masaki did not start falling down and dying just coz white was near her.

Ishida does not just slump and start dying around hollows . It is not that basic. You have yet to present one scan of soul corruption without contact.

All these leaking reatsu is irrelevant. The poison is not in their energy but in their physiology. It is biologica
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Toshiro's Bankai made contact with Cang Du, aka his reiatsu; no physical contact required, just reiatsu.

As seen in many instances, souls always leak reiryoku, so Sasuke getting close to Ulquiorra would poison him." There's a difference between Ulquiorra and White. Ulquiorra leaks a massive amount of reiatsu (that's why he couldn't release in Las Noches).
 
Bastolan27 said:
Toshiro's Bankai made contact with Cang Du, aka his reiatsu; no physical contact required, just reiatsu.

As seen in many instances, souls always leak reiryoku, so Sasuke getting close to Ulquiorra would poison him." There's a difference between Ulquiorra and White. Ulquiorra leaks a massive amount of reiatsu (that's why he couldn't release in Las Noches).
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Toshiro bankai is a soul. Literally an existence and not just reiatsu. And the bankai was on hik so he was in contact.. this is a bad example
 
karo_senpaii said:
Once again masaki did not start falling down and dying just coz white was near her.

Ishida does not just slump and start dying around hollows . It is not that basic. You have yet to present one scan of soul corruption without contact.
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Do you think a race that specialises in reiatsu control is just gonna let the deathly reiatsu come in contact with you,like that's the one thing the ain't gonna do.

Urahara outright says the mere existence of hollows is poisonous to a Quincy that's as clear cut as we are gonna get.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Toshiro bankai is a soul. Literally an existence and not just reiatsu. And the bankai was on hik so he was in contact.. this is a bad example
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Not a different soul; they are the same. 'The blade is me.' Konpaku are made of reishi anyway, so yes, reishi contact is the only requirement.
 
Violetcyanide said:
Do you think a race that specialises in reiatsu control is just gonna let the deathly reiatsu come in contact with you,like that's the one thing the ain't gonna do.

Urahara outright says the mere existence of hollows is poisonous to a Quincy that's as clear cut as we are gonna get.
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All what you said at the top is head canon, allow it rest. They still couldn't deal with the corruption so no they didn't do anything.

And so? Their existence is a threat to them yes their entire biological make up is poisonous to them. So? That says absolutely nothing. What we are repeatedly shown is contact. Be it in form of a reishi particle of them or touching them. No single showing of just reiatsu killing quincy
 
karo_senpaii said:
And so? Their existence is a threat to them yes their entire biological make up is poisonous to them. So? That says absolutely nothing. What we are repeatedly shown is contact. Be it in form of a reishi particle of them or touching them. No single showing of just reiatsu killing quincy
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Here is my question to you?

Quincy can only use their ability by absorbing the reishi around,then explain to be how can they fight in the presence of a hollow which is poisonous to them if they absorb the Reiryoku around them?
 
karo_senpaii said:
Which mean I am specifically referring to reryoku only. As that is the only one that has been shown
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Reiryoku is the same as the other two; the only difference is that it's inside you. Think of it as Reishi = chakra, Reiatsu = Chakra output/what you are using, Reiryoku = Chakra reserves.
 
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karo_senpaii said:
Share a scan for physical contact? Look at urahara statement. What does the word "encroach" indicate to you. Also all the instances of it affecting quincy shown on screen it pretty much had to come in contact. Ichigo mum and white is a primary example , she didn't start getting affected till he bit her . I mean she didn't start dying from being near white. Not until white was in direct contact with her did the corruption start. Same with bankai,
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Not my Burden you made the claim for them needing a physical contact either concede or send the scans
 
The mistake is from the person that even made this match up. This should be closed and due to the nature it cannot even be added to their pages
 
Isn't corruption only specific to quincies? Chad in the living world didn't seem to have any adverse effects from fighting Shrieker, and he literally punched it

 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Isn't corruption only specific to quincies? Chad in the living world didn't seem to have any adverse effects from fighting Shrieker, and he literally punched it
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No it's just anything that lacks antibodies (Resistance to them), quincy are just the only race without them.

Chad is a fullbringer and has resistance to it via having these antibodies, and was already spiritually aware by this point
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Ichigo didn’t get soul crushed because he resists Ulq’s soul hax. It’s not a matter of AP at all.
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Not necessarily true, RC does also produce AP / force.


It's basically passive hax + AP if the gap is big enough. Tbh sometimes the AP from RC can be more dangerous than the actual hax, since if Ichigo is fighting someone with resistance to soul manipulation and what not but said characters durability is booty then the sheer AP from RC can also just straight up vaporize them with a big enough gap.



Tldr: RC is a nasty bitch.
 
Arcker123 said:
Chad is a fullbringer and has resistance to it via having these antibodies, and was already spiritually aware by this point
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Isn't it canon though that Chad became a fullbringer because of his exposure to the hogyoku in Rukia?

Also, didn't this happen to Orihime and she didn't die? She wasn't exposed to the hogyoku att

And also, Tatsuki was attacked too and she wasn't affected

 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Isn't it canon though that Chad became a fullbringer because of his exposure to the hogyoku in Rukia?

Also, didn't this happen to Orihime and she didn't die? She wasn't exposed to the hogyoku att

And also, Tatsuki was attacked too and she wasn't affected

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Chad and Orihime were always Fullbringers; the only thing the Hogyoku did was awaken their Fullbring. Humans in Bleach have antibodies against Hollows; the only ones who don't are Quincy, but that's not applicable to cross-verse battles.
 
Bro, please everyone who is claiming that Chad or Orihime being unaffected by the corruption is evidence against it, realize that Chad and Orihime are literal fullbringers; people who gain their abilities through the introduction and cultivation of Hollow Reshi. The fact of their racial existence disproves this notion.

Humans are naturally resistant towards the corruptive effects of Hollows as humans still have antibodies against Hollows, it's only Quincies that lack them. People continue to make this false presumption and connection that since "Quincies are humans, Quincies are affected by this corruption; It's because humans in general lack antibodies". This isn't stated anywhere however. It's a complete headcanon assertion. What is actually stated is that Quincies in specific, not humans, Quncies; are affected by this corruption since they lack the necessary antibodies.

Quincies, fundamentally, are considered directly antithetical to the existence of Hollows, and vice versa. These contradictory existences is why both are heavily affected by each other's racial-based abilities.

Humans aren't a part of this connection, so bringing them up as counter evidence is a complete non-sequitur and should be discounted as faulty evidence/reasoning.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Humans aren't a part of this connection, so bringing them up as counter evidence is a complete non-sequitur and should be discounted as faulty evidence/reasoning.
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Okay then, do we see what happens when any of the regular souls in the Rukongai interact with Hollows? That's probably the best approximation to what Sasuke is right now Does Yūichi Shibata count?
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Okay then, do we see what happens when any of the regular souls in the Rukongai interact with Hollows? That's probably the best approximation to what Sasuke is right now Does Yūichi Shibata count?
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Becoming a soul made of Reishi doesn't grant you inherent antibodies against Hollows. It didn't give them to the Quincies who made themselves into Reishi beings when invading the Soul Society; so why would it grant him those here?
 
Deceived3596 said:
Becoming a soul made of Reishi doesn't grant you inherent antibodies against Hollows. It didn't give them to the Quincies who made themselves into Reishi beings when invading the Soul Society; so why would it grant him those here?
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The soul corruption as I understand and from the scans backing it up is not an instant wincon just want to point that out. From urahara explanation it weakens your spiritual pressure and then eventually it leads to death. Quincy do not just die by being near hollow. We saw them invade hueco mundo and that didn't happen. I think the death part is if they are actually contaminated by part of the hollow. For the most part it just seems to simply weaken their spiritual energy by being near it but they are so far stronger than most of them that it is insignificant in the grand scheme. So i don't see it as a automatic win con. Sure it would weaken sasuke spiritual energy and hence his ap slowly but sasuke is already weaker in the first place and would rely on hax like genjustu and amaterasu which don't depend on ap potency and sasuke is much more faster so within a second he can end things. That's not even close to time it would take for the corruption to be very serious.

But all this is irrelevant coz the passive reiatsu crush as a result of their ap different would kill sasuke immediately. I just wanted to state the corruption is not just an instant death
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I have Sasuke in his Susanoo from the start, which is in the same tier that Ichigo was when we fought Ulq the second time
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If that's the case then there might be a possibility for sasuke to win if he places him under genjustu immediately or uses amaterasu. But the ap gap is still much, assuming uliquorra doesn't hold back sasuke would probably still be paralysed

Edit: when ichigo fought uliquorra he was continental+. Actually he was continental already in his fight against grimmjow in hollow form. So no sasuke still gets crushed
 
karo_senpaii said:
The soul corruption as I understand and from the scans backing it up is not an instant wincon just want to point that out. From urahara explanation it weakens your spiritual pressure and then eventually it leads to death. Quincy do not just die by being near hollow. We saw them invade hueco mundo and that didn't happen. I think the death part is if they are actually contaminated by part of the hollow. For the most part it just seems to simply weaken their spiritual energy by being near it but they are so far stronger than most of them that it is insignificant in the grand scheme. So i don't see it as a automatic win con. Sure it would weaken sasuke spiritual energy and hence his ap slowly but sasuke is already weaker in the first place and would rely on hax like genjustu and amaterasu which don't depend on ap potency and sasuke is much more faster so within a second he can end things. That's not even close to time it would take for the corruption to be very serious.

But all this is irrelevant coz the passive reiatsu crush as a result of their ap different would kill sasuke immediately. I just wanted to state the corruption is not just an instant death
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It's probably not instant death, but you are downplaying it. Cang Du got wrecked by Hollow reiatsu. Don't bring up the Quincy as a counterargument, as they absorb the purest form of reishi. By the way, Quincy absorb reishi from the environment, meaning that if there's a place with Hollow reiatsu, they are going to absorb it and essentially filter it, as that's what they do and couldn't fight otherwise.
 
Bastolan27 said:
It's probably not instant death, but you are downplaying it. Cang Du got wrecked by Hollow reiatsu. Don't bring up the Quincy as a counterargument, as they absorb the purest form of reishi. By the way, Quincy absorb reishi from the environment, meaning that if there's a place with Hollow reiatsu, they are going to absorb it and essentially filter it, as that's what they do and couldn't fight otherwise.
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He got wrecked by toshiro bankai. All other quincy that stole bankai were not really seriously affected coz they were not actively using it. The robot guy just some of his body parts were malfunctioning. The rest it didn't just injure them.

And considering the ridiculous speed gap between both of them that's why I said 1 second. If their ap was comparable I would argue this match up but it still pointless. The energy part sasuke has no counter for it.

I wasn't downplaying it, the fact I specifically used a second should tell you this. And I was merely using urahara words
 
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