T4 Acausality is immune to universal future seeing, whereas Kenbunshoku is combat active and only foresees what you intent to do. Unless her being a singularity means she has no thought process or emotions, which is what Zoro's Kenbunshoku is about. (It isn't always foresight either, sometimes it's sensory type. His kenbunshoku haki has layers)
The reason of why the argument that Type 4 wouldn't matter it's because Precog it's just a Zoro good info analysis and analytical prediction, which make the argument that what he see it's a absolute future/outcome pure bullshit but well.
In a nute-shell yes, the argument of the other side it's basically that he somehow would kill her before she think and use Fate Hax "because she want to have fun" when I explicitly showed a scan in which she use that in a fun fight, with the same argument of want to have fun she isn't gonna use the soul, concept and other haxs that servant physiology grant, or that Zoro somehow knowing that she will attack will evade her attacks with fate hax, when again I showed how even though MHX knew what she was doing couldn't stop her.
Thanks for answering my question. If this is true then Musashi fra
I literally don't know a fight in which she didn't used it, maybe against hokusai she didn't used it? Though that was a specifically nerfed Musashi that lost all her skill.
That doesn't answer Nom's question. She doesn't lead with it at the very beginning of the match, while Zoro's second move will be Shishi sonson.
She has precog zoro will never get a second move because she will use it if she see herself losing to the second move.
Okay but does she tend to use it in the beginning of the match or is it later down the match.
If zoro can one shot she will lead with it not to mention she has a 6.65 times ap advantage any hit from her even without fate hax cripples Zoro
Musashi's Heavenly Eye isn't an instant win button. All it does is allow her to see a "path" to victory. She still has to actually follow that path in order to win. If she "sees" a way to cut off someone's arm for example, she still has to make the actual movements to do so.
Again I posted scans of her seeing ways she would lose and choosing the one that will lead her to win. Thats what fate hax is. She saw a future that she wins in and she choose it so that future became true. You admitted yourself she has a wincon so she will choose the future where she wins. She is not fighting a character where she is outskilled or have an ap advantage there is no reason to think there is no future where she wins.
Except it says all/infinite possibilities + she has her own precog, so Zoro's precog isn't going to do anything. NLF doesn't work in this scenario (from what Im hearing anyways) because it explicitly says infinite possibilities.
still it can't be predicted without feats. type 4 acausality is a phenomenon, an oddity, something that is completely outside the world system like a hole in the timeline
Servant Musashi is the Musashi after the event's of Shimosa, servant Musashi cut Ivan with Isshana Daitenshou, the thing she make to create a not existing future in which she defeat Yagyu. Zoro don't come near that. The biggest NFL it's say that someone now Zoro can couter fate hax.
You don't seem to understand how certain speed amp works like Shishi sonson. Thought-based abilities have a limit to what they can do, the name is pretty much self-explanatory it requires you to think to active it's effect/ability, but the thing here is Shishi sonson blitzes.
Again, against characters that have their own hax, even if they're not as complicated as fate hax, she struggles. Yagyu was just more skilled at the time. Zoro in this case has precognition that'd either: Analytically sense her next move based on her 'breath'.
It says "thousands" of possibilities. Infinity only comes when you account for Zero, which isn't being used here.
Then if we're using pre-zero, just assume he's fighting Musashi during Shimousa?
Can Shishi Sonson one shot her, though? There's a 6x difference between them after all.
You said second move meaning there will be enough time for a though base ability to work. The whole reason why I am not saying its a stomp is because Zoro have a speed amp which you guys claim he uses early. However if he doesn't uses it first move than it doesn't matter.
How is Shishi sonson treated in this wiki? I thought it wasn't counted as a blitz since it's an unquantifiable speed amp?
No. It shouldn't (unless ofc it dura negs)
I thought they changed Goken from dura neg to an AP Boost- Even though it's directly compared to Ryuou based on Kyoshiro's teachings of cutting steal and Hyogoro's words in the prison.
ok. im not knowledgeable on whatever verse this is so im just going based on what im seeing here
I screwed up on that. The "Thousands" was her talking about how many mental battles she had, rather than what her eye can foresee/bypass.
6.65 times and Zoro doesn't have dura neg on his profile so he can't one shot
Precisely because of the AP difference, Zoro can one shoot her if he lands a hit on her (or ask Emin).
Zoro blitzes characters equal to his speed. Basically, if Zoro were to fight either Luffy or Sanji (pretty equal in speed), his Shishi sonson allows him to blitz either Luffy or Sanji. In other words, in a speed equalized match Zoro's Shishi sonson allows him to blitz characters, precisely because it's even faster than Zoro and characters relative to him in speed.
So what you are saying is she have no outcome where she wins making this a stomp. You can't say she have wincons then suddenly say her best outcome isn't one where she wins.
That's strange, because infinite possibilities sure as hell didn't work against Yagyu's skill, because there was not one possibility within them that guaranteed her landing a good hit.
What Musashi has 6.65 times ap advantage Zoro is massively outclassed in that area
Infinite possibilities have existed since Musashi had heavenly eyes, it's in Musashi's materials.
Her wincons are the higher AP and Dura. She can't one shot him, and he can't one shot her. I said this like 5 pages ago that it boils down to a head on battle because her offense-oriented eye and his defense-oriented kenbunshoku will never give a conclusive outcome for either.
PIS stupidity and if Musashi has used her hax zoro can't counter it the space time it self will bend to make sure that one future happens
Are you implying Zoro is in any conceivable manner comparable to Yagyu?
The reason why it didn't work on Yagyu is because out of the infinite possibilities there is not a possibility where she wins. Its not the same here she has wincons as you said so she can choose the futures where the wincons happen.
She can one shot with fate hax and her np
