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What is this paterm of Sans vs DB lately??, always the same outcome, Sans win because speed is equalized and Sans has haxes to shit on DB characters despite massive difference in stats
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Bones and gasterblaster are intangible, Kirilling atack would just pass trough then and sans Instant action TP out of there... here we go again...Not really. He gets hit by a bit of it (which he can survive), uses AoE to blow away the attacks knowing it will kill him if he doesn't act quick, and either blow Sans to pieces, or gain the range advantage and proceed to execute his win-con.
It's funnyWhat is this paterm of Sans vs DB lately??, always the same outcome, Sans win because speed is equalized and Sans has haxes to shit on DB characters despite massive difference in stats
Krillin's attacks can interact with intangible things. Isn't that on his page, or not? If it's not, that's kinda weird. Figured it would've by now given it can affect souls and illusions (With ki itself even being spiritual in nature). Regardless, Sans would be forced out of range where he can't spam attacks to survive the AoE if he even can.Bones and gasterblaster are intangible, Kirilling atack would just pass trough then and sans Instant action TP out of there... here we go again...
And Kirilling wouldn't go for a killometers wide AOE thanks to the amount of monster civilians around and inside the castle, so Sans just teleport to funking grillb's and come back
Hm I wonder whose gonna win.Votes added,
Should be
10 Sans
4 Krillin.
Money on the one who can kill by powering upHm I wonder whose gonna win.
Napstablook tears can interact with ghostsKrillin's attacks can interact with intangible things.
Nop, the underground can't be evacuated and has Kirilling wver putted inocent lifes in line for his own? If not this is not applicable hereKrillin has his life on the line. He'd prolly just kill the monster people than use the Dragon Balls later to revive them. Sacrificing lives in Dragon Ball isn't anything new. Or it's possible the Underground could just be evacuated
Thank you for seeing sense, you legend .Gonna vote for DB's strongest Earthling for Laser's reasons in particular.
Yeah, ki might actually have 2 layers funny enough. Though I don't currently see it on his profile, so it's not like it matters too much here.Napstablook tears can interact with ghosts
Napstablook tears hit frisk soul
Sans atacks pass trough frisk soul
Sans bones have 2 layers of intangibility
Does Kirilling have the hability to interact with things that are intangible to intangible things? I guess not(not to mention if I recall ki can touch intangible things of the elemental intangibility that is diferent from sans intangibility)
Yeah it can. You can do whatever you want in the OP. It's up to the OP if they want the Underground to be empty or not tbh. And yeah, Krillin has. The entire ToP was him eliminating other Universes to save his life. Besides, in-character, at worst Krillin would think he can just revive everyone with the Dragon Balls. Just like in the Boo saga where they decided to let Super Boo extreminate the rest of humanity to stall Goten and Trunks time to train. Or in the ToP again. Krillin's character is quite cowardly in numerous instances, with him not wanting to put his life on the line. If he can save himself, and believes he can bring the innocents he killed back with a wish, he'd easily make that choice if it meant removing someone he believed was a serious threat (going by SBA).Nop, the underground can't be evacuated and has Kirilling wver putted inocent lifes in line for his own? If not this is not applicable here
It's a lot more nauanced than that.Uuughhh... we are discussing the most likely cenario, not all of them
And if a character could do a thing to win but will not do in character It's not considered a stomp...
This is a circle... I'm unfollowing this thread
A stomp thread is a VS thread where, for all intents and purposes, one of the characters is unreasonably outmatched by their opponent. Whether it is through a difference in statistics, abilities or even (in very rare cases) skill between the two parties, these matches are heavily one-sided and provide little to no challenge or danger for the winning character.
Unlike a match which is decisive in one character's favor, stomp matches very rarely leave any room for debate, with their outcomes coming across as predictable to anyone with even cursory knowledge of the combatants and their abilities.
Note that all potential stomps should be judged case by case, as every matchup is different and there are many variables at play.
I don't think this match is a stomp. But the people in favor of Sans seem to believe Sans effortlessly kills Krillin in seconds before Krillin can even react to do anything and isn't at ANY risk of being hit. That is a clear-cut stomp.A stomp thread cannot be added to the profiles of either character, regardless of the popularity of the match-up or the quality of the thread.
Each combatant's in-character mindset and tactics do not necessarily qualify or disqualify a match from being a stomp, and should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis when determining whether or not a match falls under said category. Generally speaking however, if a character in a match has to perform or use techniques in ways they have never shown to do in order to possibly win, the chances of that match being a stomp are quite high.
The issue is he shouldn't have beat Goku. And it's also super annoying for people to bring up evidence for other threads. At that point, why even bother to debate? Just say "They beat Goku, Cell, etc. so they win here" as opposed to actual fin discourse . This is just a red herring.if sans can beat goku then he can beat krillin
Most likely to happen scenario=/=Krillin can't win. Krillin could kill Sans by breathing on him in a weird way. Issue is that, most likely circumstance, as most people agree, is that Krillin just dies before he can use any attacks that Sans is incapable of dodging. You literally need to go through several hoops to even make a case that logically explains Krillin having one way to win, whereas there is a much more upfront, simple, and definitive way for Sans to win with no other possible path for Sans. Sans is going to get in the first attack, and chances are it'll kill Krillin, Krillin could theoretically win if he reacts to Sans in a very specific way, but acting like any specific way is the definitive way is simply not true and personal headcanon to justify Krillin winning. Sans has more wincons as most actions Krillin would likely take are gonna end up in his death, and the few actions that could garner a win on his part are out-of-character. If Krillin had more viable wincons, it would be an incon match, but Sans has the majority, which is why people say he wins.Not sure why people voting for Sans even think this match would be valid if they keep arguing it's a stomp match in favor of Sans with Krillin being unable to do anything.
I'm voting incon out of spite because Sans threads are the most annoying thing to grace this platform and someone had to say it.
I'm on my hater arc today.
I don't think they're that bad tbh. Just weird things like people telling you that "They beat this person, so they win this". Like these character's are different, they have nuances. There's no point in having match-up if we can't even have a constructive conversation. After all, said old matches could just be wrong and the current match could result in those matches being removed.I'm voting incon out of spite because Sans threads are the most annoying thing to grace this platform and someone had to say it.
I never said Krillin can't win. I specified this in my last comment. A match can still be a stomp even with win-cons if the person is incapable of reliably pulling off the win-cons at all. And if the people here are arguing the chance of Krillin pulling of a win-con is basically impossible should denote the match is a stomp. If they were more open to Krillin's wincons being likely, it wouldn't be an issue. The problem is you're assumptions this takes leaps in logic, when it is the most logistical response. Your arguments have already be addressed, and your alternatives are far more unlikely than Krillin making non-stupid decision. Your suggests were that he'd try to block it or dodge it.Most likely to happen scenario=/=Krillin can't win. Krillin could kill Sans by breathing on him in a weird way. Issue is that, most likely circumstance, as most people agree, is that Krillin just dies before he can use any attacks that Sans is incapable of dodging. You literally need to go through several hoops to even make a case that logically explains Krillin having one way to win, whereas there is a much more upfront, simple, and definitive way for Sans to win with no other possible path for Sans. Sans is going to get in the first attack, and chances are it'll kill Krillin, Krillin could theoretically win if he reacts to Sans in a very specific way, but acting like any specific way is the definitive way is simply not true and personal headcanon to justify Krillin winning. Sans has more wincons as most actions Krillin would likely take are gonna end up in his death, and the few actions that could garner a win on his part are out-of-character. If Krillin had more viable wincons, it would be an incon match, but Sans has the majority, which is why people say he wins.
People are voting Sans because they think he wins in the described circumstance. Reality isn't subjective to your perception, and just repeating that they're wrong isn't going to change anything and just creates a negative feeling.
The reason I'm personally not continuing to have a drawn out argument with you is because it literally wouldn't matter if Sans still wins the thread anyways and I wouldn't waste my time doing that.
well he didThe issue is he shouldn't have beat Goku.
if sans can beat goku then he can beat krillin
I'm voting incon out of spite because Sans threads are the most annoying thing to grace this platform and someone had to say it.
Votes addedGonna vote for DB's strongest Earthling for Laser's reasons in particular.
no wtf dont count my voteVotes added
I didn't say I want to change it. I don't care about those matches enough to remove it. I just dislike the idea that past matches are being used to decide an entirely different match. It defeats the point of deciding a verdict through debate.well he did
you would need to go to vs thread removal to change that
wtf is thisSans only fights when he needs to. He is lazy.
I'm not seeing any NPI on his pageKrillin's attacks can interact with intangible things. Isn't that on his page, or not? If it's not, that's kinda weird.
Sans would have killed Frisk on sight if not for his promise to Toriel, but also loses any hope in killing them on the Genocide Route because Sans knows it is impossible for him to win, but when he realizes that letting Frisk do as they please means the literal end of the entire world, Sans chooses to try anyways despite the insurmountable odds, and when he fights, he goes for the fastest, most efficient kill possible. Regardless of what Sans wants to do, Sans would be willing and wanting to kill Krillin in this scenario, and that's what he would try to do. If we're literally ignoring all the standard rules of a versus debate, what would happen is some comedic banter between the two probably relating to height, and then Krillin just says "Aight I'ma head out" and neither of them fight each other.Sans only fights when he needs to. He is lazy.
All Krillin needs to use solar flare x100 with Kienzan.
Krillin wins this low difficulty.
It's listed as a weakness but it's not really relevant in a versus thread because the thread is literally going by the assumption that both characters are fully willing to do anything it takes to win, including murdering each other if need be, but otherwise they act completely in-character. In-character, Krillin does not act like the Terminator.Then what is the point of not exploting said weaknesses?
I agree with this btw. Previous matches have no relevance on new ones even if they involve characters from the same verses. Sans beating Goku doesn't mean he can beat Krillin by default. Sans literally incon'd Zeno in a versus thread, the most powerful canon Dragon Ball character, beat Goku, the main protagonist, but lost to Vegeta. There is a big significance in how the characters will act.I didn't say I want to change it. I don't care about those matches enough to remove it. I just dislike the idea that past matches are being used to decide an entirely different match. It defeats the point of deciding a verdict through debate.
I'm glad we can come to an agreement on that front. It destroys the whole point of versus threads if past victories/losses are used to determine every future match-up.I agree with this btw. Previous matches have no relevance on new ones even if they involve characters from the same verses. Sans beating Goku doesn't mean he can beat Krillin by default. Sans literally incon'd Zeno in a versus thread, the most powerful canon Dragon Ball character, beat Goku, the main protagonist, but lost to Vegeta. There is a big significance in how the characters will act.
Which is why I don't see Krillin having more reliable wincons, because Krillin acting in a way that would be required for him to win is less likely than him dying to Sans, from what I and others have mentioned.
Anyways I will go back to actually discussing because there seems to be more activity in the thread as time goes on, apparently.snip
Can giving Krillin prior knowledge or something help?
Where's the idea that these are "unlikely" methods when it involves Krillin being cornered INTO using it. On top of that, his follow-ups would be stuff he has done in-character. The only counters I've seen in regards to using AoE to dispel Sans attacks involves him doing things far more unlikely. Like continuing to block attacks despite them clearly doing fatal damage and piercing his defenses like nothing.Krillin can pull off a win via a couple unlikely methods, but Sans' winning is just more likely based on what both characters have done in their respective series, and how they would likely engage each other. It's not a stomp for either opponent. Even if we're being generous to Krillin it's barely an incon at best.
He doesn't use TK at the beginning of the fight tho. He just disables Frisk's ability to float as a soul. Krillin is far more mobile and adaptable than Frisk. He'd be able to easily jump over the first wave of bones and navigate the wave and gaster blasters afterwards via aim-dodging as Frisk does. Especially when you consider verse equalization means Sans has Ki and thus Krillin can sense Sans and all of his attacks. Will he be surprised? Yeah, but he's surprised against every new opponent he fights. So it's not something he can't handle.Sans will throw him into the floor, summon bones underneath him, send a wave of bones flying at him, then use a combination of Gaster Blaster's in different patterns, any of which could kill Krillin with very brief exposure, that's not being surrounded, and Krillin is going to be surprised.
Frisk is able to deduce and dodge pretty fine. I would think someone with far more mobility options with ki sensing would have significantly less trouble. Especially in a verse where they similarly have to deal with homing ki blast spam. This also assumes Krillin dies from like 1 second of exposure when Frisk can't survive most of Sans first attack without moving. They die before it ends, but they can endure around half of the attack by just sitting in place (I recall testing before). And if Krillin is experience intense pain he's never felt before from the hundreds of attacks surrounding him, then that narrows his choices to countering the attacks with his own. It's not "perfectly deducing", it's Krillin being decisive on the only realistic counter. All his other counters quite literally won't work, except maybe Solar Flare. Every other option he'd understand would get him killed (I mean that's one of the worst skill feats of the series. Even within ToP, they deduced several strategies against individual opponents, and people like DBS Goku are just outright skilled than people like Cosmic Garo).This assumes he gets away from the attack before it kills him, it assumes Krillin will process what's happening before the next bombardment arrives, and it assumes Krillin will perfectly deduce the correct course of action due to simply experiencing a type of pain he's never felt before, and that he would know how much damage he's taken. Krillin is called a genius fighter by Dragon Ball standard's, which by real life standards means above average (the greatest minds in Universe 7 creating a combat plan together for a tournament that hinged the entire fate of their universe on its shoulders, came up with the genius strategy of "staying away from the edge of the arena" lmao), but that's besides the point.
"Miraculously"? The incomparably less skilled and mobile Frisk surviving through all of Sans attacks and killing him says otherwise imo.If Krillin survives that long miraculously, sure, I could see it, the problem is that happening is less likely than "WOAH I'M ON THE FLO-dies". For this to work you still need to explain Krillin surviving long enough to make this logical deduction. I haven't at any point said nor implied that Krillin wouldn't use AoE Ki attacks, what I have said is that Krillin wouldn't immediately respond with that the instant after Sans tries to make a move. Krillin is going to die fast, and the way he wins this is by killing Sans faster than that, which is what I find unlikely.
I should clarify. I think if you argue Krillin is hit by Sans very first attack (I don't think he gets hit by the whole thing. Maybe just the first part), then Krillin uses AoE as a response to all the other oncoming attacks. Given he'd be able to feel the substantial damage it caused to him (I assume attacks to the soul hurt just like physical blows. No reason to assume they don't tbh. Especially in the case of DB where Soul has correlation with ki). To put it from his perspective:Agree. And Sans has no chance of dodging anything that isn't a thin beam with a pathetically small explosion (Krillin wouldn't do that) or Krillin punching and kicking, which I think is something Krillin would try to do if Sans didn't force him away, because Krillin is smart enough to see that Sans isn't very good at close quarters, but that's iffy. I just don't think Krillin would immediately or even very quickly resort to big AoE before he just actually dies.
Not really? It depends on the player. Some people do no-hit runs on Sans. And in those runs, Frisk still has far less mobility, agility, and versatility than Krillin.The player is beating Sans because the player has a plethora of advantages, not because the player is simply skilled.
Fair enough.If Sans gets the vast majority of the votes and is indisputably going to win the thread, there's no reason to continue discussing the main topic, but now more people are contributing so it seems more worthwhile again. I'm not saying I won't argue if a topic is pointless, this entire website is pointless in the grand scheme of things, I'm just saying that arguing about a topic in a thread that would be closed in a day or whatever feels like a waste of energy. Talking in a discussion thread that will not be closing is more productive.
"Where's the idea that these are "unlikely" methods when it involves Krillin being cornered INTO using it. On top of that, his follow-ups would be stuff he has done in-character. The only counters I've seen in regards to using AoE to dispel Sans attacks involves him doing things far more unlikely. Like continuing to block attacks despite them clearly doing fatal damage and piercing his defenses like nothing."snip
People in here. Krillin never kills his opponents and only uses normal attacks.
Krillin against opponents much weaker than him who were afraid:
Still believe this is inconclusive. They can both take out their opponent and Krillin resorts to blasts quite fast as shown here.
More proof Krillin goes staight to blasts:
That would just lead to krillin doing big aoe Nappa style. Now it's better.
Using AoE when he is surrounded by a small army of fodders when he is lacking in self-confidence is not equivalent to using AoE on Sans, a skeleton who by his sensory abilities would be hilariously weak, whose attacks would usually be few in number at the same point in time and coming from one or just a few directions.