Fezzih_007
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He might trought, SBA says if he loses, it gonna have consequences. Is not exactly clear trought, that's why is a maybe.
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Sans vs Krillin
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Kirilling is aware that there is civilization around (mostly likely) so he has no reason to atack the entire underground to kill sans
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Also true
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Ye, but K.O is a win condition and Kirilling beingh a hero would go for that instead of going all out
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Could you give me examples of attacking from the beginning with the wincon you talk about?
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Yeah, but he quite clearly uses them differently. He makes small ones, large ones, and they have different charge up times. The ones with short charge-up times were only used at the end of his fight.
Someone changed SBA? This match is hella rigged towards Sans. No wonder he's been winning these MU's.
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Because it attacks the soul, not the body. Well, technically after a CRT it attacks the body and soul. But Frisk also never suffers battle damage in the overworld... And it's not like we see Frisk's soul outside of battle.
If SBA still applies here, he'd be willing to kill under these circumstances. Similar to how he's willing to kill Freeza grunts.
Kay, but they simply chase him as time resumes. He'd have to deal with it throughout the entire fight until he gets hit. Someone as skilled as Krillin can def land a hit on Sans if Chara can.
After TP'ing away from a multi-kilometer AoE blast they will be.
What? Did you not read my comment at all? I feel you're intentionally being rude and ignoring everything I say at this point. At this rate I'm just going to drop this. But as a reminder: One is how fast you react/move in accordance to a stimuli. Thinking is just how fast you think to yourself/process information. One involves physically acting, one doesn't.
Fezzih_007
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Thast also the problem that even if he hold back, all his attacks are still to strong to sucefully K.O Sans.
Sans gonna die most likely for any attack.
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Krillin using a big AoE Ki blast is not even a guarantee. Krillin is just as fine with melee combat as with Ki blasts, and usually his Ki blasts are more about precision and speed than "big boom xd". He doesn't know Sans or how he fights and using some huge Ki wave is massively OOC.
The fact of the matter, no matter how people try to stir it, is that any argument for Krillin winning revolves entirely around him doing some extremely specific thing that, in character, he simply doesn't do, because it's just not how Krillin fights. You literally need to create a specific scenario for Krillin to win, involving complex details and extrapolations and assumptions and so on, whereas it's easy to explain why Sans wins in one sentence, and that alone should say it all.
The fact of the matter, no matter how people try to stir it, is that any argument for Krillin winning revolves entirely around him doing some extremely specific thing that, in character, he simply doesn't do, because it's just not how Krillin fights. You literally need to create a specific scenario for Krillin to win, involving complex details and extrapolations and assumptions and so on, whereas it's easy to explain why Sans wins in one sentence, and that alone should say it all.
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That isn't a argument sinse It imply one of the argument of sans is surviving on of the atacks while the argument is that he just TP away and comes back to dodge instantly
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If Krillin is being barraged with attacks he feels killing him in just a second of being exposed to it, he WILL use AoE to dispel of it. This is just common sense. What do you suggest Krillin will do?
"OH! I'm dying to this attack! I better continue to try tanking it and hope I don't die instead of trying to counteract it! It's a good thing I have 40 years of experience dealing with this type of stuff!"
Like the dude is GOING to use AoE when he's essentially forced to right off the bat.
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Bet
Krillin first move will be rushing towards Sans, But he won't be able to do that because Sans will attack first
In case Krillin manages to survive his first move and gets near Sans, Sans will just evade everything
He can Teleport and time stop to change Krillin location and suprise attack him with time stop trickery
Already adressed
Krillin won't be capable of predicting bones coming from alot of directions which includes from below too and he will also try to block everything (mabye)
Already adressed
Same here
Fezzih_007
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Except the fact that Sans attacks first, so he gonna know what Sans do and react appropely.
What?
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The Kirilling argumentation is kinda ciclical and based around Kirilling guessing sans is a powerfull oponent when Kirilling will not even read high levels of Ki from him
Ignorig how busted sans dodging Hability is
And How fast his bones can kill
I will keep the watch on this thread but really, this discussion is not going anywere
Ignorig how busted sans dodging Hability is
And How fast his bones can kill
I will keep the watch on this thread but really, this discussion is not going anywere
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How is Sans going to dodge attacks with a greater range than he can teleport or teleport Krillin?
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You said "no matter that he is holding back, all his atacks can K.O sans" to a argument that "Kirilling wouldn't burst the entire underground so sans can just dodge"
Your argumentation didn't adressed the point and isntead stated something that wasn't adressed by my coment
In other words, You counteragued that sans cbn dodge by stating somethig that has nothig to do with dodging or AOE
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Krillin won't start with ki blasts that blows up everything in character
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It was made clear that Krillin is a "heroic" character and that he can knock out Sans (which counts as a wincon)
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Kirilling would mostly likely in character keep his blasts into the judment hall 0inse he wouldn't kill a entire civilization that has nothing to do with the fight even if he is going to die, sans can teleport him and frisk from MTT hotel to Grilb's so sans would have no problen using his TP to dodge
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What Krillin is going to do is try to block a Gaster Blaster and die. What Krillin is going to do is get slammed into the floor, hit with a bunch of soul-destroying bones, and die. What Krillin is going to do is try to dodge Sans' attacks, get overwhelmed, and die. He's not going to use his Terminator eyeball and Meruem brain to analyze every possibility and any chance of winning, and go for the perfect strategy when his opponent is unlike anything he's faced before. Krillin has never used AoE like this, and it's a blatant assumption to say he would, as well as an assumption that he would understand what's happening and react that way, and pretty much everything else you're claiming. We literally do not know how he would react beyond the simple fact that he's never encountered something like this before, meaning he would at the very least be surprised by what's happening and be taken off-guard. It's not "common sense", it's you literally writing the scenario yourself and then acting like it's some canon fact.
"dealing with this type of stuff!"
Krillin has never dealt with anything even remotely similar to Sans at all, ever.
Sans doesn't surround his enemies instantly, he wouldn't feel forced to do so immediately.
Fezzih_007
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No? I was never talking about this argument.
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Sans AP is 9-B, how much ki do You think Kirilling will read from sans? How much You think he will atack then?
Would be luke saying that when goku fough chi chi for the first time he would just punch her exploding her instantly
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And who denies that in the process of battle he should not use them?
Seeing that he can't get close to Sans, Krillin decides to use more of his abilities.
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please guys. read this and wait for grace period to end, omg
all over again we're talking about Sans being really cool reactionwise and how sans' attacks hit the soul and how it would end really fast.
tbh we should straight up ban all other sans vs DBseries from now on, cuz it is ALWAYS the same thing and DB supporters deffend, and Sans' supporters repeat, and it cycles like 12 times before both sides get angry and always ending good for sans
VSWiki here be like:
at this point let's do like Walter White and try for another verses, it's better for everyone
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My bad, It's hard to keep track some times on cellphone, sorry
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It's about what Krillin would choose to do, and saying he'll start with some insta Sans-dies one-shot AoE blast is an assumption, whereas we know what Sans would do and we know that it would very likely work.
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He would be dead before realizing It lol
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Krillin being aware of the population makes difficult to blow everything
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Suffering be like;please guys. read this and wait for grace period to end, omg
all over again we're talking about Sans being really cool reactionwise and how sans' attacks hit the soul and how it would end really fast.
tbh we should straight up ban all other sans vs DBseries from now on, cuz it is ALWAYS the same thing and DB supporters deffend, and Sans' supporters repeat, and it cycles like 12 times before both sides get angry and always ending good for sans
VSWiki here be like:
at this point let's do like Walter White and try for another verses, it's better for everyone
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The more objectively true take: Speed equalization literally makes unfathomably weaker characters able to beat characters infinitely stronger than them and why the hell is everyone okay with that? Isn't the wiki about accurately indexing characters? I mean we literally treat any other stat equalizations as Fun and Games when speed equalization is by far the biggest one. At best, I could see it if the speed equalization just had limitations rather than being applicable to any characters in general. I wouldn't be shocked if Sans beat a 2-A reality warper at this point, just because speed equalization is cringe.please guys. read this and wait for grace period to end, omg
all over again we're talking about Sans being really cool reactionwise and how sans' attacks hit the soul and how it would end really fast.
tbh we should straight up ban all other sans vs DBseries from now on, cuz it is ALWAYS the same thing and DB supporters deffend, and Sans' supporters repeat, and it cycles like 12 times before both sides get angry and always ending good for sans
VSWiki here be like:
at this point let's do like Walter White and try for another verses, it's better for everyone
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So let's go back to the point of Krillin accidentally murdering Sans...
At what point was it made clear that the scenario takes place in an area near a civilization, excuse my ignorance but I didn't see that point made clear?
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Think like this, sans kills a genocide frisk most of the times (just watch any Youtuber fist time enterigg sans battle lol) on his first atack even trough they should have simillar speeds, so we can say that sans kills frisk before he can even atack back
Just the sad true of sans vs Dragonball... people don't acept that anyone that don't start alread going all out will loseplease guys. read this and wait for grace period to end, omg
all over again we're talking about Sans being really cool reactionwise and how sans' attacks hit the soul and how it would end really fast.
tbh we should straight up ban all other sans vs DBseries from now on, cuz it is ALWAYS the same thing and DB supporters deffend, and Sans' supporters repeat, and it cycles like 12 times before both sides get angry and always ending good for sans
VSWiki here be like:
at this point let's do like Walter White and try for another verses, it's better for everyone
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Don't hope too much or these days you will find something like that XD
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Where in the OP does it make it clear that they are fighting near a civilized area? I didn't see it edited in the main comment
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Saying Sans beats Goku is ridiculous and everyone, EVERYONE with a rational and functioning brain knows that, but speed equalization makes it plausible because why not, yet the wiki wants to be accurate. Things like this are why Vs. Battles Wiki gets mocked so often in the vs battle community.
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This isn't a argument for thia thread, just acept the impossed rules or go somewere else to try to change It, and If You dislike speed equalized battles You can always not come to then
Not to mention speed equalized was created so more battles could be possible sinse most of then would become speed blitzes making a lot less battle combinations for the wiki to explore
Speed equalized just try to make the eiki be more fun
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The Underground, wherein they are fighting, is filled with Monster's, many thousands of them. But I don't think it's relevant and should not be used to restrict Krillin, but it doesn't matter anyways because Sans definitely dies if Krillin does a big AoE.
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