Sans vs Krillin

[XxZetsuxX]

From which he'd then immediately counter with an AoE energy wave to disperse of it all. The idea that DB character's are being attacked too fast to react in a speed equalized match is asinine. I'm not saying Sans won't land any attacks. I think he'll get the first blow. But Krillin would immediately resort to dispersing the fataly wounding attacks.

Krillin does not have in his profile he has Higher reaction speed

Sans gaster blasters are faster than both of them, Krillin wouldn't be able to react to something faster than him

If that was the case, He could've reacted to 2nd form frieza blitzing him and final form frieza blitzing him again

 

[Fezzih_007]

Go look at sans vs Goku and Vegeta and then come back

But vegeta won that fight.

 

[noninho]

Sans fights agressive, that's just how he fights, He will catch the opponent off guard with bullet hell, Literally his first attack

literally seeing his fight on yt reveals everything you need on "why only broly survives against this mf"

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I'm not gonna read matches not important to this one to come back here and debate more why those matches were bunk as well blud .

Not really, and if we are accepting thouse on the wiki, It can't be ignored to other debates sinse this mean this others should be removed, so If You think they are wrong, go ask then to be removed on the battle remover(idk the name) and say Your reasons, then we can talk

 

[Omegabronic]

From which he'd then immediately counter with an AoE energy wave to disperse of it all. The idea that DB character's are being attacked too fast to react in a speed equalized match is asinine. I'm not saying Sans won't land any attacks. I think he'll get the first blow. But Krillin would immediately resort to dispersing the fataly wounding attacks.

he would need to rationize that they are that dangerous first, gaster blasters are far faster than both sans and krillin here, he would need to figure all out on why the attacks are dangerous in mere seconds before he dies

I wasn't implying he'd kill intentionally. I think Krillin would unironically accidentally kill Sans due to how fragile he is.

Krillin can feel how "fragile" he is, why would krillin knowing how weak sans is go for a AOE shockwave that he knows would kill him even tho krillin is one to not kill?

Sans hasn't used time stop to dodge AoE or attacks in general in-character before. IIRC, it's stated on his profile that he only uses it to set up attacks.

and if he saw an attack that he couldn't just dodge like that then it is obvious that he would use time stop to dodge it then, the note says that he can't attack during it however

Thinking is significantly faster than reaction speed.

both are the same thing "thinking" is all that reaction is

And reaction speed doesn't even matter that much outside of dodging one attack faster than yourself.

and reacting to basically anything the other person does, and the things you do, and pretty anything else really

Nor has Sans shown to use time stop to escape attacks. And are we assuming this battle takes place near humans? If so, that's purposely handicapping Krillin to give Sans a win tbh.

as per SBA there is no one but the 2 of them there

 

[XxZetsuxX]

"why only broly survives against this mf"

Blud starts with a massive ki barrier while firing alot of random blasts XD

 

[noninho]

this took 3 pages, omg

 

[XxZetsuxX]

this took 3 pages, omg

Did Sans vs dbz had this much?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

But vegeta won that fight.

I meant Goku black (also, why the vegeta battle not in sans profile?)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Krillin does not have in his profile he has Higher reaction speed

Sans gaster blasters are faster than both of them, Krillin wouldn't be able to react to something faster than him

If that was the case, He could've reacted to 2nd form frieza blitzing him and final form frieza blitzing him again

Reaction speed does jack shit tbh. It's given too much credit in threads. ALL it means is that you can react to one attack. If you can chain multiple movements together using it, then that is combat speed, not reaction speed.

In fiction, movement over long distances and movement over short distances - which can be dubbed "combat distances" - tend to be remarkably different for different characters, resulting in serious discrepancies when considering their overall speed. On this wiki, we therefore differentiate between various types of speed, including reaction speed.

Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles.

All it does is let Sans dodge one attack beyond his combat speed. He can't chain that together unless it's combat speed.

Krillin can aim-dodge Gaster Blasters the same as Frisk did.

Freeza is like way faster and doesn't have a charge-up time like Gaster Blaster does that allows you to predict where it will fire.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I meant Goku black (also, why the vegeta battle not in sans profile?)

We never ended the discussion with 7 votes, but he was winning the fight.

 

[noninho]

Did Sans vs dbz had this much?

no lmfao

like, why is my man trying so hard on Krillin (god knows how much i hate the americanization of that name...anyway: ) when literally goku got nuked and Zeno got inconned by this fat lazy skeleton

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Also, Kirilling class K LS + hability to fly let him power trough sans TK. But still think Sans get the W

 

[Omegabronic]

SBA:
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Not sure why he would't, since the guy his figtinh is a skeleton.

"In character, but will attempt to win the battle." krillin in character does not kill, he become a police officer for a reason, to save lifes and protect the innocent, he is a good person that was teached from master roshi opposed to the killing methods of his rival, aka he wouldn't kill since he was taught the philosophy to not do that + being a good character who simply doesn't do that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Reaction speed does jack shit tbh. It's given too much credit in threads. ALL it means is that you can react to one attack. If you can chain multiple movements together using it, then that is combat speed, not reaction speed.

Well, Sans can react and dodge to someone who knows where he will be, But i guess it's true after reading this

Krillin can aim-dodge Gaster Blasters the same as Frisk did.

Not the bones though, And they can come anywhere

Freeza is like way faster and doesn't have a charge-up time like Gaster Blaster does that allows you to predict where it will fire.

Fair

 

[XxZetsuxX]

no lmfao

like, why is my man trying so hard on Krillin (god knows how much i hate the americanization of that name...anyway: ) when literally goku got nuked and Zeno got inconned by this fat lazy skeleton

 

[noninho]

Also, Kirilling class K LS + hability to fly let him power trough sans TK. But still think Sans get the W

?
omg how long does people take to understand that physical-anything isn't used to resist an attack from sans because it literally hits the soul directly

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, Kirilling class K LS + hability to fly let him power trough sans TK. But still think Sans get the W

I don't think that will be doing much since he can't fly using his soul?

 

[Omegabronic]

Krillin can aim-dodge Gaster Blasters the same as Frisk did.

how so? blue mode makes him unable to fly also

Freeza is like way faster and doesn't have a charge-up time like Gaster Blaster does that allows you to predict where it will fire.

gaster blaster don't have that tho?

 

[noninho]

at least we're at an ok rate so far for the argument for physical this or physical that
on one of the 3 goku threads i had to say it 14 times for people to stop arguing with that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

gaster blaster don't have that tho?

They kinda do, Since they will stay put for a couple of seconds till they fire

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Like the big blaster where they just stop for couple of seconds then they fire

 

[noninho]

blue mode makes him unable to fly also

he could fly, just woundn't have time to do that before sans just throws his soul on the ground

 

[LaserPrecision]

Not really, and if we are accepting thouse on the wiki, It can't be ignored to other debates sinse this mean this others should be removed, so If You think they are wrong, go ask then to be removed on the battle remover(idk the name) and say Your reasons, then we can talk

Yes it can? That's like saying since Sans beat Spongebob, that match can't be ignored in a Dragon Ball thread because Spongebob characters clap Dragon Ball characters. These character's are different. I don't care enough to remove those other matches, but I care enough to prevent this one from being added. Those matches are irrelevant to this one.

he would need to rationize that they are that dangerous first, gaster blasters are far faster than both sans and krillin here, he would need to figure all out on why the attacks are dangerous in mere seconds before he dies

It quickly gets rationalized by SBA which makes them willing to kill eachother and thinking both are an immediate threat to their own life + if he gets hit, he'll suffer lethal damage. It's not that hard to rationalize if someone's attack instantly causes severe damage to you...

Krillin can feel how "fragile" he is, why would krillin knowing how weak sans is go for a AOE shockwave that he knows would kill him even tho krillin is one to not kill?

I'll go along with this since the reasons above clear this up anyway.

and if he saw an attack that he couldn't just dodge like that then it is obvious that he would use time stop to dodge it then, the note says that he can't attack during it however

Then that gives Krillin the chance to fire homing ki attacks. And since he's Kilometers away, he can't fight back. If he tries getting in close, Krillin simply uses AoE again. He's a strategist after all.

both are the same thing "thinking" is all that reaction is

No? Thinking is the act of making a cognitive decision. A reaction is how fast you react to a stimuli. It'd be like saying catching a point blank baseball is as fast as thinking about catching it. Reactions occur after thinking. Unless it's a subconscious action of course.

and reacting to basically anything the other person does, and the things you do, and pretty anything else really

No? It only allows you to make one short dodge. Vs wiki page specifically entails that you aren't able to chain dodges together. Otherwise it's combat speed.

 

[Fezzih_007]

"In character, but will attempt to win the battle." krillin in character does not kill, he become a police officer for a reason, to save lifes and protect the innocent, he is a good person that was teached from master roshi opposed to the killing methods of his rival, aka he wouldn't kill since he was taught the philosophy to not do that + being a good character who simply doesn't do that

True true true, but the SBA:
such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

Makes Krillin trying to kill him possible. Not exactly guarant. And again, Skeleton, Sans not exactly a normal person.
Well, that don't really matter, since Krillin can kill Sans with any attack, even if he don't want, like the "He gonna power down his attacks" argument don't make much sense.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

at least we're at an ok rate so far for the argument for physical this or physical that
on one of the 3 goku threads i had to say it 14 times for people to stop arguing with thati

i feel sorry for you man XD

 

[noninho]

Like the big blaster where they just stop for couple of seconds then they fire

isn't that the reason why sans has access to Time Stop?
Also, why is it argued that krillin'd do any reaction thing when that skeleton literally stops time?

 

[Omegabronic]

They kinda do, Since they will stay put for a couple of seconds till they fire

Not really? The final attack shows that they can rapid fire no problem

 

[LaserPrecision]

how so? blue mode makes him unable to fly also


gaster blaster don't have that tho?

Now you're trolling me. FRISK aim-dodges them during the Sans fight. Krillin is an infinitely better tactician than Frisk. And his acrobatics are far better too. He simply jumps and weaves away from the attacks the same way Frisk did.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

how so? blue mode makes him unable to fly also

Hum... fair to be honest, forgot that

Also, looking at the SANS CRT there is none that remove his soul intangibility that were created after my "So, let's talk about sans" where he had It at the time, so It was applied without a crt

 

[XxZetsuxX]

isn't that the reason why sans has access to Time Stop?

There are parts where he doesn't use time stop

Also, why is it argued that krillin'd do any reaction thing when that skeleton literally stops time?

Idk

 

[LaserPrecision]

Not really? The final attack shows that they can rapid fire no problem

That's his final attack...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Not really? The final attack shows that they can rapid fire no problem

I'm stupid please ignore what i said

 

[XxZetsuxX]

That's his final attack...

They are the same blasters though

 

[noninho]

True true true, but the SBA:
such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

Makes Krillin trying to kill him possible. Not exactly guarant. And again, Skeleton, Sans not exactly a normal person.
Well, that don't really matter, since Krillin can kill Sans with any attack, even if he don't want, like the "He gonna power down his attacks" argument don't make much sense.

he woundn't try murdering in like .0001 second IC unless knowing that sans is a great danger

 

[RinneItachi]

no lmfao

like, why is my man trying so hard on Krillin (god knows how much i hate the americanization of that name...anyway: ) when literally goku got nuked and Zeno got inconned by this fat lazy skeleton

I think it's less about the character right now and more about people being tired of Sans dog walking Dragon Ball. Or maybe people just be figuring it out now.

 

[Omegabronic]

It quickly gets rationalized by SBA which makes them willing to kill eachother

No it doesn't, read it again, that got changed

and thinking both are an immediate threat to their own life

Also not said in the SBA page

+ if he gets hit, he'll suffer lethal damage.

as shown with frisk after the sans fight, the attacks leave no noticeable marks, i don't think he would even noticed he was getring damaged

It's not that hard to rationalize if someone's attack instantly causes severe damage to you...

how would he rationalize that he needs to insta kill him, even tho krillin doesn't like to kill, in a few seconds at most?

Then that gives Krillin the chance to fire homing ki attacks.

Time stop to stop them

And since he's Kilometers away, he can't fight back. If he tries getting in close, Krillin simply uses AoE again. He's a strategist after all.

they are mere 10 meter away from one another, not kilometers

No? Thinking is the act of making a cognitive decision. A reaction is how fast you react to a stimuli.

difference between both being?

It'd be like saying catching a point blank baseball is as fast as thinking about catching it. Reactions occur after thinking. Unless it's a subconscious action of course.

in sans' case is

True true true, but the SBA:
such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

Makes Krillin trying to kill him possible. Not exactly guarant. And again, Skeleton, Sans not exactly a normal person.
Well, that don't really matter, since Krillin can kill Sans with any attack, even if he don't want, like the "He gonna power down his attacks" argument don't make much sense.

Not really he is in charactee

 

[Cass5373]

Is there any reason why Sans would go all out on Krillin in the first place? Is there any reason why Krillin wouldn't accidentally attack someone like a searching skeleton that he has to fight? Is there any reason why Sans could resist a Krillin attack even contained? Is there a way for Sans to dodge Krillin's attack range?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Is there any reason why Sans would go all out on Krillin in the first place?

He fights agressively please understand that, He even says why people never use their strongest attack first

Is there any reason why Krillin wouldn't accidentally attack someone like a searching skeleton that he has to fight?

He wouldn't have time to do that because of Sans first attack

Is there any reason why Sans could resist a Krillin attack even contained?

Reason above

Is there a way for Sans to dodge Krillin's attack range?

Multiversal range go brrrrrr, No he can't but he wouldn't have the chance

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Is there any reason why Sans would go all out on Krillin in the first place? Is there any reason why Krillin wouldn't accidentally attack someone like a searching skeleton that he has to fight? Is there any reason why Sans could resist a Krillin attack even contained? Is there a way for Sans to dodge Krillin's attack range?

Sans: "If I hadn't made a promise You would be dead where You stand"