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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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JohnCenaNation
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Question, I remember reading the Saint Seiya original manga a long time ago, and it always bothers me how come the people around Athena weren't affected by her passive abilities? Or any people around the Gods for that matter?
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Her passives are pretty much based on her aura for the most part. Basically, they only activate when she’s in a position of wanting to fight. She doesn’t really fight much. Also, god passives generally don’t affect their allies and subordinates. I can really only think of one case of that.
JohnCenaNation
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I see but did Athena ever displayed her passive abilities is anyone of the Saint Seiya franchises before?
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Yeah, She’s paralyzed a silver saint with her aura, stopped sorrento with her aura, stripped the 6 senses during her battle with typhon, and kicked out evil sagas soul using her shields passive. Her other passives are From scaling
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I see also regarding to her mid-godly regeneration, how did Athena die after she got her head cut off by a single sword of Aiolos' sword, the same Aiolos that cut off her head didn't even activate the 9th sense yet, albeit he used a sword with unknown properties?
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Athena let herself be killed
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If something like this can kill her, then her mid-godly regeneration would definitely putting me on edge.
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for starters, not all characters have passive regen, meaning she would have to want to regen, and secondly, we know what it looks like when a god is killed and they become an ethereal form, like Zeus, Hades and Athena in GR.
If something like this can kill her, then her mid-godly regeneration would definitely putting me on edge.
She wanted this to happen, she let this happen, there is no anti-feat.
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Some news.
The preview of the next Champion RED confirms that it will be an issue dedicated to Saint Seiya.
This issue will include chapter 23 of Dark Wing, chapter 3 of Rerise of Poseidon and a special chapter of Requiem. In addition, the cover image will be dedicated to Rerise of Poseidon.
The main news:
Next Dimension returns April 13 (two days after the return of the Champions League).
Sasha is blonde, officially there is a blonde Athena in this universe, a reference to the blonde Athena from the live-action movie (have you noticed how Kurumada makes more references to the movies and anime in his work than to any other work in this franchise?).
Only in canon is there a regeneration and resurrection feat thanks to the 8th Sense, which allowed her to resurrect and heal her body after being killed even by a god-killing weapon, such as the Sword of Chrysus, but currently Athena no longer has the 8th Sense and can die by this weapon, so Ikki will have to make the decision to kill Athena. Although the new concept Kurumada is introducing in his current works seems to indicate that a god can only die with a divine weapon/sacred treasure (it even seems that Kenji Saito in Dark Wing took note of this), such as the Sword of Chrysus (by the Pope he gives this weapon to Ikki to kill Athena and avoid the destruction of the universe) or the Golden Arrow (that in Saintia Sho this arrow is introduced as a weapon to defeat the gods, along with the Sword of Chrysus and other objects, and in Knights of the Zodiac this arrow is also introduced as a weapon to kill gods, so it is quite likely that Kurumada will introduce this concept more clearly in the Final Edition).
Although it sounds pretty silly for Kurumada to introduce this concept, if we analyze the story of the classic manga, why the Specters were sent to kill Athena without a special weapon, in Dark Wing, Saito solves it with the arrow given to Shoichiro, but Saint Seiya the Specters never mention anything about that, basically it was an impossible mission for these guys.
In addition, the regeneration of Saint Seiya characters has to degrade.
By the way, it will be epic that Ikki tries to kill Asclepius with the Sword of Chrysus and only regenerates after this, showing us how his immortality surpasses that of the gods, although Kurumada could also use this so that the Bronze Saints can fight Asclepius (without an absurd excuse like the God Cloths), maybe the Sword can kill him or permanently wound him. Although everything seems to indicate that the weapon they will use to defeat him is the Arrow of the Goddess, whose power is to eliminate (not destroy, eliminate, the manga literally says eliminate) a target forever.
There is a more impressive feat of her paralyzing Shura in Episode Zero passively with her cosmos.
What is interesting is that Shura has resistance to paralysis, as he was able to resist the paralyzing effect of Aiolos' Shadow Arrow.
There is also the fact of Nike's passive ability to always win, although it is not an ability of Athena as such, it is an ability of a goddess that always accompanies her, we even saw in Episode Zero how she always travels with Athena, so simply the goddess will win all her battles because she literally has victory in her hands.
However, I still wonder why the ability to redirect attacks scales to gods other than Athena, Hades and Poseidon, these being the only gods to use this ability in the manga.
The preview of the next Champion RED confirms that it will be an issue dedicated to Saint Seiya.
This issue will include chapter 23 of Dark Wing, chapter 3 of Rerise of Poseidon and a special chapter of Requiem. In addition, the cover image will be dedicated to Rerise of Poseidon.
The main news:
Next Dimension returns April 13 (two days after the return of the Champions League).
Sasha is blonde, officially there is a blonde Athena in this universe, a reference to the blonde Athena from the live-action movie (have you noticed how Kurumada makes more references to the movies and anime in his work than to any other work in this franchise?).
Literally in the last chapter of this series it is mentioned that the regeneration of the gods takes them hundreds or thousands of years (although it seems that it can be accelerated with external help), so there is no anti-regeneration in that scene. Also, Athena does not seem to have any kind of regeneration due to her status as a mortal goddess and is only reincarnated in a new body after some time (a few years).
Only in canon is there a regeneration and resurrection feat thanks to the 8th Sense, which allowed her to resurrect and heal her body after being killed even by a god-killing weapon, such as the Sword of Chrysus, but currently Athena no longer has the 8th Sense and can die by this weapon, so Ikki will have to make the decision to kill Athena. Although the new concept Kurumada is introducing in his current works seems to indicate that a god can only die with a divine weapon/sacred treasure (it even seems that Kenji Saito in Dark Wing took note of this), such as the Sword of Chrysus (by the Pope he gives this weapon to Ikki to kill Athena and avoid the destruction of the universe) or the Golden Arrow (that in Saintia Sho this arrow is introduced as a weapon to defeat the gods, along with the Sword of Chrysus and other objects, and in Knights of the Zodiac this arrow is also introduced as a weapon to kill gods, so it is quite likely that Kurumada will introduce this concept more clearly in the Final Edition).
Although it sounds pretty silly for Kurumada to introduce this concept, if we analyze the story of the classic manga, why the Specters were sent to kill Athena without a special weapon, in Dark Wing, Saito solves it with the arrow given to Shoichiro, but Saint Seiya the Specters never mention anything about that, basically it was an impossible mission for these guys.
In addition, the regeneration of Saint Seiya characters has to degrade.
By the way, it will be epic that Ikki tries to kill Asclepius with the Sword of Chrysus and only regenerates after this, showing us how his immortality surpasses that of the gods, although Kurumada could also use this so that the Bronze Saints can fight Asclepius (without an absurd excuse like the God Cloths), maybe the Sword can kill him or permanently wound him. Although everything seems to indicate that the weapon they will use to defeat him is the Arrow of the Goddess, whose power is to eliminate (not destroy, eliminate, the manga literally says eliminate) a target forever.
The shield at that moment released a ray of light, something that Athena does not use in her battles, so it is not passive in any way and is a power of the shield that must be activated, like the energy rays that Nike can release, of course if the goddess decides to fight, although her pacifism prevents her from fighting to the maximum and with murderous intentions.
There is a more impressive feat of her paralyzing Shura in Episode Zero passively with her cosmos.
What is interesting is that Shura has resistance to paralysis, as he was able to resist the paralyzing effect of Aiolos' Shadow Arrow.
There is also the fact of Nike's passive ability to always win, although it is not an ability of Athena as such, it is an ability of a goddess that always accompanies her, we even saw in Episode Zero how she always travels with Athena, so simply the goddess will win all her battles because she literally has victory in her hands.
However, I still wonder why the ability to redirect attacks scales to gods other than Athena, Hades and Poseidon, these being the only gods to use this ability in the manga.
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Yes bur mostly separate
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Shouldn't Shura get an upgrade for killing Zeus?
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Even if we did assume same universe thar was a,Shura from another world so in either case separate or not. That would ne a new profile
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We will probably rename that page to Shura (Episode.G Saga) or something like that, and create a new one for the main universe version. If it's worth creating a page for this version of Shura, well we'll have to see which pages even stay and which ones go, after all many of the pages are somewhat unnecessary, for example creating pages for the Gold Saints of Next Dimension (with the exception of Shijima, Abel/Cain, Gestalt and maybe Deathtoll) seems like a completely unnecessary effort, because they would basically be a copy paste of the classic characters.
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it seems implied to me that the reflection doesn’t work on deities. Because Poseidon and aclepsius says that if you spit at the heavens, it will back on to you, which implies human vs gods.
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What does gestalt even have that aiolos doesn’t, besides subjective reality to give himself horse legs.
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Poseidon is being described at that time as the god, and only gods like Athena, Poseidon and Hades used that ability in the manga, even powerful gods like Hypnos and Thanatos never showed this ability. And Asclepius is not a god and still doesn't take full control of Odysseus, and it was the latter who returned Tenma's blow, but this seems to be an ability of the Gold Saints who can return energy attacks or objects, just like Saga, Deathmask, the Pope (Next Dimension), Shion, etc.
A ******* divine arrow, which would probably eliminate Asclepius forever.
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Busy and at work atm but wasn't it Aiolios Soul who sent the arrow?
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No, Aiolos never had that arrow because it was lost in the ancient holy war, and this one was found in the present by Marin in the remains of the Temple of Ophiuchus that appeared in the Sanctuary, that's why fans speculate that this arrow will destroy Asclepius. Aiolos' cosmos just sent his will to the past and saves Hyoga from a normal Sagittarius arrow, then is when Gestalt uses the Arrow of the Goddess to check if Hyoga was telling the truth and that girl was Athena, because only Athena can deflect that arrow (probably because it's a sacred treasure that belonged to this goddess, because it seems that Athena has the most powerful weapons) and warns Hyoga that the arrow can't be stopped by anything (only Athena can stop it) and that if she doesn't stop the arrow they will be eliminated forever.
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I forgot about the arrow.Crazy how cosmos can time travel like That, but Athena can’t.
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Like Dragon Ball GT
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Because the soul of the Gold Saints can move through space and time, before this we even saw them move through space and time to protect Athena and Shijima (something that not even the goddess could do, so she needed the Gold Saints to appear to save and protect her), for Kurumada, Buddha can move through time and space (even in Fuma no Kojiro he gave this ability to Buddha, when he sends Kojiro and company 4000 years into the past) and even the tree where he achieved enlightenment acquired properties to move through space and its petals can move freely through other dimensions (this is something we could also see in Saintia Sho, where Shaka with a higher level of understanding, can move inside the dimension where Dysnomia had taken him, that place where all space and time were connected and basically you could access any part of it from that place), even inside the labyrinth of the gods, a place where not even the gods can do it, that's why Cardinale, Athena and Shijima needed the arachne string. Also, fun fact, Aiolos' soul in Knights of the Zodiac communicates with Marin and shows her the future.
So Buddha seems to be ridiculously impressive at some points and they reached a level close to him.
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yeah actually. Separate timelines
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Although it is different, since all the stories are part of the canon or multiverse of the franchise, unlike GT which is not part of anything. I see this more like Transformers, all the series, comics, novels, movies, etc, are part of the multiverse of this franchise, but each version of the characters is separated according to their timeline or universe they belong to.
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I believe on the site there’s an ongoing crt making gt canon in this way
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Ngl, that whole plan for shion and the others to kill her was pretty half baked. Shes way stronger than them, and could wipe them out easily if she so chose to. It seems more likely hades wanted to thin out the saint numbers. Also, if they reached Athena’s chamber, they could have taken the golden dagger at the popes place.
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I made a CRT updating the GT to be canon, but on a timeline like trunks and now the original cosmology is canon.
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Saint Seiya: Next Dimension is returning? About time! Kurumada is 69 years old, and I don't want him to pull a Miura on me.
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I think other designer he trusts most will step up to take over for him, consider a Toyotaro 2.0.
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Nah, gotta know when to put something to rest, however Next Dimension ends should be the closing curtain for the canon story. I genuinely want a cheesy happy ending where Seiya recovers, all the gods' shenanigans against humanity are done so Saori can move on to live a happy and normal life as a normal human, and Seiya and Shaina grow up and have a family together. KINO
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Saint Seiya equivalent of people who think Eren and Mikasa was a good ship
