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Is this unrelated to whatever Unshakable is doing?
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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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I really disagree with that, they are too different and different works
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Pretty much this
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well they are currently accepted as the same character and the "Chronos" page is yet to be deleted.
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Amaterasu it's beautiful name
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It would affect the scaling for other works so yes
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You can make a CRT about it. You should likely wait for the canon CRT though because it might change stuff to where you need to do another CRT about the topic.
In any case, I don't really see any contradiction, G gods have ethereal forms so Chronos being formless isn't a contradiction imo
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Too tired to do a simple thing, but my little sister said she was going to separate canon derivatives, like DBGT, DBH, and DBX
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you have a sister on the wiki?
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Yeah that's what will be happening for StS afaik, though some things will remain cross-scalable
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Yes, it's unshakable little sister
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Hehehe
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If this were accepted, several Multiverses would be low 1-C here on the wiki, as is the case with DBH, among others, I don't think it works like that, so far I'm trying to understand how Ben 10 also got low 1-C
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actually its a real thing. Infinite number of multiverses would mean there is an uncountably infinite number of universes which equates to an unctounably infinity thus 5D Cosmology.
The only problem that im aware of is that you need to prove that the multiverses are separated.
I can't speak for DBH or Ben 10 though. idk them that well.
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But do you have proof that the Universes of Saint Seiya exist infinitely?
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Rephrase that please?
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Little sister, do you have proof that there are infinite universes in Saint Seiya or infinite timelines?
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Yeah we do for G at least.
Lost Canvas too, maybe Sho. We need to examine the raws for the conversation between Shaka and Dysnomia.
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LC, G, DW, and Sho
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Dark wings has that, and I’m pretty sure it’s in the same multiverse as the classic, and G also has that
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Nothing in this franchise is 2-A, because no one is affecting the multiverse, they only affect one universe (the universe where their story takes place).
That's right, Episode.G mentions the multiverse, with this story being the main story that mentions the existence of an infinite multiverse.
TLC does not, it only has a vague allusion to the multiverse, with only one character mentioning the existence of parallel worlds, and Saintia Sho has a clear mention of other universes and the multiverse, but no mention of infinity. The other series that clearly mentions the multiverse is Dark Wing and has a mention of the existence of infinite universes/worlds.
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It seems to make sense, about Chronos scaling from ND and other characters I noticed that they are using multipliers to level up characters and that is not accepted here.
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That's why we have to review the whole scale of the franchise, because ND's Chronos is not at that level by any means. As I said, no character in this franchise is on that level, because they all only affect the world where the story takes place.
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I don't think that's possible since per Assassin where Okada adapted a lot of Next Dimension elements, Hourglass portal Chronos seems to be one of them (Shura mentions using him to get to the future). Hourglass Chronos is a much different character from Titan Kronos who's stuck in Tartaro
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In theory, if a character could be argued to embody the multiverse, they would be at that level right?
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If the cosmology is 2-A, then Uranus, and by the extension the Primordials would scale, considering they are stated to be the root of all existence and the gods of creation who were said to have made everything.
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Cronus being stuck in Tartarus doesn't seem to hinder the usage of his power or even authority, considering, like you said, they stated they used his power to travel in time. Afaik, the Kanji for the name is the same.
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Strangely enough, abzu is also a primordial who is said to be the root of everything
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were not using multipliers...
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I think the 2-A Abzu was upgrade was rejected last time because Omega works off MWI. Which is an issue G doesn't really have.
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No, it is only part of their universe, no one scales to the multiverse, because no one affects this, even the primordials only interact with the multiverse with a bfr to send the Saints to other worlds and this is basically it, just travel to other dimensions.
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Fair enough, I think the fact the UW has souls from other worlds might be worth looking into for the Toei stuff tho.
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All I see here is cope. We have a very blatant statement that says the Primordials made all of existence.
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Only the universe, that's why it is mentioned that the whole universe belongs to them, they never mention more than that. And as I already explained their only interaction with the multiverse is when Uranus sent the Saints to other worlds.
This was only due to the distortion in space and time created by Aiolios, which he uses to travel and bring souls from other places, we can even see how one of these portals was in the Underworld.
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"All of existence" sounds like way more than a single universe chief.
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oh I was talking about omega
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The mention of Omega is just a reference to the world of the dead being another dimension and they are not really talking about the Underworld, but the Yomotsu Hirakasa, the place where the Cancer Saint sent Yuna and Koga with his technique.
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It is only a reference to the universe, to the existence that surrounds them, not to other worlds, if it were the multiverse, Okada would have simply mentioned all the universes or the multiverse, being one of the few authors that actually uses this word, but he never mentions that in that scene. You can even see how everything that happened in that world does not interfere with other worlds and only affects this one exclusively. The only mention of these gods interfering with other worlds is the fact that they sent Ikki, Shiryu and the other Saints to other worlds to eliminate them from this world and invade it without their intervention.
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