The others also disappeared completely and returned with Shaka to help Athena, so it is likely that they are also in Nirvana, even the 8th Sense is related to Buddhist enlightenment in the universe of Saint Seiya, that's why Gautama Buddha could awaken that sense and gives this secret to Shaka.
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Thing is, being dead in saint seiya means you just walk in to the pit that leads to the underworld, where you get tossed in one of the prisons. Orphee wouldn’t have an opportunity to do talk to hades if he didn’t have the 8th sense from my understanding. Additionally, it says “even at the cost of his own life” which means he is alive.
In the Hall of Judgment (1st Prison), the dead are free to speak during their trial, they can even sneeze and make Lune angry. Orpheus could have taken the opportunity to request an audience with Hades at this time.
It is the 8th sense, the 9th sense does not exist in Kurumada's manga, and Shaka was the first to awaken that sense, a knowledge acquired in his conversations with Gautama Buddha, and this is the reason why in the Sanctuary he was known as the closest to a god. The 8th sense is a knowledge that not even Athena possessed, so Shaka sent her a message with this secret and awakened that sense to travel to the Underworld (a world inaccessible even to the power of the gods).
speaking of Buhddha what information do you have on the location of Nirvana?
None, Shaka only mentions Nirvana once in the story. We can only assume that it is a world or plane of existence that transcends life and death, and even the six worlds of the cycle of reincarnation, and perhaps transcends time and space, which might explain why Shaka and the other Gold Saints could cross time and space.
Just remember that Kurumada's manga (OM, Final Edition, Zero, Origin, Destiny, Taizen and Next Dimension) is the main and most important manga in the franchise, even Kurumada is publishing a new version (Final Edition) that solves some problems of the original manga with the new works (Origin, Zero, Destiny and Next Dimension). The rest of the works in the franchise are secondary canon, so if Kurumada describes a concept, it takes precedence over the other works.
Interesting you say this, just like if Kurumada, Lost Canvas and Toei all say the Athena Exclamation is universal, then Okada's "flowery" description of the same thing should also be interpreted within the confounds of what's previously established by Kurumada, i.e. GA's Athena Exclamation is the same as Classics, Lost Canvas' and Omega's.
I mean, you said it yourself...
Assassin is a different universe, it is not Kurumada's main universe. Is a universe where even a 9th sense exists, a sense that was never mentioned in the main universe, where the ultimate sense is the 8th sense, so it is not strange that some techniques have different descriptions with respect to the main universe. As I said it is better not to mix concepts and ideas from these series that are incompatible with the main universe.
Yes, for the main universe. The rest of the universes have their own descriptions in their series, and the description in Assassin of the Athena Exclamation is not impressive, even the Galaxian Explosion is not galaxy level in that universe.
I think you're using "incompatible" incorrectly. Not that I inherently disagree with GA occurring in a different timeline, the idea of the 9th sense NOT existing in classic is not incompatible. Incompatible implying the 9th sense cannot coexist with classic, the problem here is that the lack of it being stated to exist is by no means a contradiction. Characters are only reliable when speaking on things they know, if no character in classic know of the 9th sense, they're incapable on speaking on the validity of it's existence.
The problem is that the 9th sense was never named or mentioned in the original manga, even the official guides (Taizen and Official Site) make no mention of a 9th sense. In the main universe the 8th sense is the maximum, and Kurumada bases this concept on the Eight Consciousnesses of Buddhism. The concept of a 9th sense is incompatible with what is presented in the main universe and Kurumada's inspiration (Eight Consciousnesses) to create the concept of the 8ht senses.
That is the limited description that an author like Okada gave to that sense in Requiem, where Shura awakens the 9th sense to go FTL speed.
contradicts this:
These are not interchangeable statements.
It does not contradict it, Shura awakens the 9th sense in Requiem to surpass the speed of light. It is Okada's new description in Requiem, where to reach a FTL speed it is necessary to awaken the 9th sense.
The events of Next Dimension never happened in Assassin, even no one mentions the Arrow of the Goddess (the most powerful arrow of Sagittarius and one of the most powerful sacred treasures, which Marin finds in the ruins of the Temple of Ophiuchus), the thirteenth Gold Saint and Shiryu does not have the Dragon God's pearl in the tattoo on his back (a sacred treasure he acquired in the Temple of Scorpio, when Dohko's staff was damaged).
Guess 12 year old Aiolia in G has 9th sense then, he was able to go ftl by raising his cosmo in his fist, after all, this is Okada's new description of the 9th sense, it should apply to his works. Oh and Saga blitzed Shura who had 7th sense twice across 2 panels when he found out Saga was pope, guess he has the 9th sense. Guess Shura's had 9th sense since beginning of G since he was able to literally just "activate FTL mode" in his first fight against the gladiators....
Okada contradicts or retcon his works all the time, this is not strange, he even contradicts the designs of the characters (especially the armors), and this is the new description that this author gave to that sense invented by him.
Different Saga bro, don't know how many times you need to be told this.
Kurumada does not completely change the design of the armors, even with his new drawing style.
Cain is a different character from Saga, he is not Saga changing the description of his technique as it happens in Assassin. Besides, that's why the Final Edition exists to solve all the problems of the original manga with his new works.
Why can't he have the same problem? It wasn't a character that was doing it to Shura it was the timeline he was in itself.
I've already explained how there exists a coherent explanation that coexists with everything previously established. You're choosing to read GR as though GA doesn't exist and has already explained half this shit.
Like coloring in?
Or you maybe not comprehending the statements correctly?
Bruh
You do not know what Kurumada will or won't change and you don't know what he may or may not change the descriptions to. Galaxian explosion is just as inconsistent in classic as it is in G.
Because now his condition is different, and he is literally wandering through space and time, and cannot stay long in one world.
That is why it is a retcon or a new description of Okada for his new manga, and now Okada describes that to exceed the speed of light it is necessary to awaken the 9th Sense.
What is the problem with the coloring?. Kurumada even corrected the hair colors of the Gold Saints in the Tomo.
No, because he is a different character from Saga, and if Kurumada wants he can give that description to Saga's Galaxian Explosion in the Final Edition, he even changed the name of the golden dagger to Sword of Chrysus in the Final Edition, he also changed the date of the story and now the manga takes place in 1990, as he describes it at the beginning of Next Dimension. The Final Edition is a project that Kurumada was planning for years and all the problems of the original manga with the new works will be solved in that version, unlike Okada, whose problems are still present even in the manga of his authorship.
Have you considered the possibility that Shura can be affected by more than 1 thing? like how someone can have a broken leg and a cold, they're not mutually exclusive.
No.... Shura needed the 9th sense, which actually indicates his cosmo is weaker now than it was in GA. It's not a retcon, okada is showing Shura is not okay from his battle with Zeus and needs maximum amps to even be comparable to top tier gold saint level.
Nothing is the problem with colouring in, if you read what it was in response to, it was regarding "Kurumada's new style" you mentioned.
No, because Shura's problem in Requiem started even before killing Aiolos.
In the manga it is never described that Shura's cosmos is weak, he even seems stronger than before. Also, the loss of an arm and legs should not limit his cosmos in any way, even Saints can fight after death (after losing their whole body) because their cosmos transcends death.
When I mentioned new drawing style, I was referring to Kurumada's new style which is a bit more simplified or ugly compared to his style in Hades Arc or later manga (such as Bt'X, Silent Knight Sho, etc), something that is due to the problems he has with his hand that make it difficult for him to draw his manga.
Here's my personal list mostly based on what I remember off the top of my head from classic.
between Kanon and Dohko ig
Personally, I think it goes Shion/Dohko, then Kanon/Saga, Aiolos/Eyes open Shaka,Shura/Mu/aiolia/eyes closed shaka/Milo/Camus, Alderabaran,Aphrodite, Deathmask. I do have some reasoning for it too
Comparable to Kanon/saga If they are all comparable to Rhadamanthys
I’m curious as to how you scale the Gemini’s above eyes open Shaka?
Well, Saga is generally stated to be the strongest, multiple times. And he backs it up. Ikki even states in Next dimension, that Cain is like saga in the regard that they are the strongest of that generation.
Yes, however, “eyes open Shaka” is an amped state, it’s not his normal cosmo.
