Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[Loyd]

i know they were pretending to be evil to reach athena but were they really trying to kill shaka? feels like whoever lands thr hax first wins well in saga case atleast iirc shaka said if he got bfrd to anoter dimension again he would be trouble.

 

[Hasty12345]

if Camus' ice can't hurt a Gold Saint why didn't Mu just stand there and ignore him smh

Not being able to freeze the cloth =/= can't hurt the user of said cloth

This is so fken basic the fact it has to be said is ridiculous.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

if Camus' ice can't hurt a Gold Saint why didn't Mu just stand there and ignore him smh

Not being able to freeze the cloth =/= can't hurt the user of said cloth

This is so fken basic the fact it has to be said is ridiculous.

Because that attack can distract him or stop him for a few seconds, a time that Saga could take advantage of to kill Mu.

To kill a Gold Saint, the opponent has to break through the protection of the Gold Cloth, even Hyoga's attacks (with a cosmos comparable to a Gold Saint) were unable to kill Milo (even when he attacked their star points), because he did not reach absolute zero in that fight.

The protection of a Gold Cloth to ice attacks is absolute, and only absolute zero can break through that protection, if a Saint using ice attacks does not reach absolute zero it is impossible for him to kill a Gold Saint.

 

[Hasty12345]

you're like a closed minded broken record.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Because that's what Kurumada's manga says, the Gold Saints can withstand any cold temperature down to absolute zero because of the Gold Cloth that protects their body.

Even Camus says that Hyoga with a cold air of his level, cannot defeat him thanks to the Gold Cloth that protects his body, and to defeat him, Hyoga needs a cold air with a temperature of absolute zero.

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In addition, an elite Gold Saint like Gestalt can withstand even the freezing attacks of Hyoga, who masters absolute zero and completely freezes a Gold Cloth at that moment.

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Average Gold Saint needs a temperature of absolute zero to be defeated thanks to the protection of his Gold Cloth and Elite Gold Saint needs a temperature colder than absolute zero to be defeated.

 

[StekFence]

Average Gold Saint needs a temperature of absolute zero to be defeated thanks to the protection of his Gold Cloth

It should be, the weakest golds Saints need Ae to be defeated, because they also wear gold cloths.

 

[Hasty12345]

Is it ever stated in classic that the Olympians were the strongest Gods? (with he exception of Chronos ofc)?

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Is it ever stated in classic that the Olympians were the strongest Gods? (with he exception of Chronos ofc)?

Thanatos says that the Olympians are the highest gods.

Only Chronos in Next Dimension is described as a higher god than them, because Artemis says he is a god who transcends the Olympians.

 

[Hasty12345]

Thanatos says that the Olympians are the highest gods.

scan?

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

scan?

 

[Hasty12345]

Hmm, I was hoping it was more concrete, but thank you

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Although, on second thought, that description of transcending for Chronos may not indicate that he is superior to them and may only indicate that he is not part of the Olympians and therefore transcends them.

After all, Pandora describes Asclepius as a being that even transcends Hades and Athena, and this does not indicate that he is stronger than the gods.

 

[Hasty12345]

Yes, but Chronos has far more context that indicates the use of the word differs for the 2 situations.

"transcending" can mean many many things, it's not a fixed term.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Yes, but Chronos has far more context that indicates the use of the word differs for the 2 situations.

"transcending" can mean many many things, it's not a fixed term.

Yes, that's why I say that the meaning of the word is a bit vague, and it can mean many things, for example that he is a higher god than them or just a description that this god is not part of the Olympians.

 

[Hasty12345]

The statements by itself doesn't mean much, but the context and secondary leads to the conclusion he is much much superior to the Olympians

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The statements by itself doesn't mean much, but the context and secondary leads to the conclusion he is much much superior to the Olympians

This depends, since Chronos has very few feats in Next Dimension. The best feat of this god is damaging Athena's armor, although we don't know if the goddess uses all her power at that moment (Athena is characterized as an idiot like Shun and doesn't fight with all her power against her enemies from the beginning).

We know that his power can allow time travel and travel to other realities, a power exclusive to this god even among the gods, although the Gold Saints also seem to have this power in their astral form. But there are other gods with powers exclusive to them, such as Hades who is the only one who can resurrect and grant eternal life to mortals, a power that Athena and Poseidon do not have. There is also Asclepius who can observe all the movements of the universe, this allows him to know the future, past and present, an ability that Athena and Hades do not possess.

Finally, the physical form of this god is very different from that of other gods, although the soul of Hades also had the form of a universe when he appeared before Ikki.

 

[Hasty12345]

yes different gods have exclusive abilities.

 

[Hasty12345]

What do we know of Buddha's history in Saint Seiya? does he get an origin story of any kind?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

What do we know of Buddha's history in Saint Seiya? does he get an origin story of any kind?

The most elusive God it kind of irks me -_-

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

What do we know of Buddha's history in Saint Seiya? does he get an origin story of any kind?

Almost nothing. The only thing known about Gautama Buddha (because there are several Buddhas, it is even said that Shaka is the reincarnation of a Buddha) is some description in the Virgo Saint techniques.

We only know that Gautama Buddha had knowledge of the 8th sense and awakened this sense, and could talk to Shaka even after his death, also it seems that he was not part of the natural cycle of life and death, and was not in the Underworld or any of the six worlds of reincarnation, probably he was in Nirvana.

When Shijima uses the Four Gates in the Virgo Temple it is described that these gates represent the path that Buddha followed and transcended to become an enlightened being. Buddha transcends life, death, old age and sickness, a reference to the 8th sense that allows humans to transcend the human life cycle.

When Shijima uses the Tenma Kofuku to destroy Odysseus, he mentions that the Buddha's power can destroy even the demons of the sixth heaven.

The most elusive God it kind of irks me -_-

Buddha is not a god like the Greek gods (Athena, Hades, Poseidon, etc), he is an enlightened being, in Buddhism the concept of deity is different. In the Saint Seiya franchise it is mentioned that a human cannot become a god. The only human who tried to become a god was Asclepius, and this was considered the worst crime of a human, they even erased all traces of his existence for this crime and he was trapped in the worst prison that Hades created for him.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Question, did Asclepius survive history erasure?

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Question, did Asclepius survive history erasure?

It does not seem that they erased him from history or existence with some hax power, it seems that they simply destroyed his body completely, threw his soul into Tartarus so he could never return, destroyed and buried his Temple inside the Sanctuary, and forbade mentioning his name or speak of him in the Sanctuary.

The only series where a character was erased from existence is Dark Wing, where Aiolos was erased from existence with the flames of Athena used by the Capricorn Saint, even his soul, body and all traces of his existence disappeared from the world, for example Sojiro forgot about Aiolos (he remembers the words of his teacher, but does not remember who told him those words or where he heard them) and his name disappeared from Sojiro's smarthphone.

 

[StekFence]

Hey so what kind of acausality does seiya have in his 8th sense key

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Hey so what kind of acausality does seiya have in his 8th sense key

They should have type 4 bit they had acausality before the revisions into subtypes. Seiya has it because the blood of the gods ichor

 

[StekFence]

I see. Cos I’m in the Virgo vs Yhwachs thread so that was useful. Thx

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

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• Theseus damages the Gold Cloth of Capricorn and breaks the arms of Eito with physical force. Aries as always bullying the Gold Saints of the weaker constellations.
• Cattleya awoke as Athena and protected the people on the ship with her cosmos.
• It seems that Julius is not a Specter and Garuda Specter appears at the end of the chapter.

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Script in French by Cedde

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Chapitre 19 : Dixième sens

Page 01

Seiya : Qu’est-ce que ça veut dire ?!
Seiya : C’est quoi cette apparence ?
Seiya : Je ne la connais pas.
Seiya : Non… Le Shura que je connais…
Seiya : a revêtu une existence différente en tant qu’humain !!!
Brontès : Qu’est-ce que… cela signifie…

Pages 02-03

Brontès : Qui…
Brontès : est-il ?
Brontès : Dans cet univers infini existent une multitude de dimensions.
Brontès : Au sein de la ruine éternelle qui s'étend dans ce monde...
Brontès : Il a même vaincu son double d’un autre monde.
Brontès : Il a cherché sans relâche un moyen de changer l’avenir jusqu’à arriver ici.

Page 04

Brontès : Il a transcendé le concept d’humanité.
Brontès : C’est un monstre.
Brontès : Tu n’es déjà plus un être humain.
Brontès : Tu n’es qu’une aberration.
Shura : Il vient de comprendre ce qu’il voulait.
Shura : Mais n’est-ce pas ton cas également ?

Page 05

Shura : C’est parce que tu es dans la même situation…
Shura : que tu peux me comprendre.
Shura : Je sens que le Cosmos qui émane de toi…
Shura : est semblable au mien.
Shura : Tu masques ton apparence…
Shura : pour ne pas être découvert tandis que tu voyages dans une multitude de mondes.
Shura : Tu es devenu une autre existence qui combat sans relâche.

Page 06

Shura : Tu n’es pas un dieu.
Shura : Tu es un humain qui a acquis un pouvoir semblable à celui d’un dieu.
Seiya : Qu’est-ce qu’il vient de dire ?! Si ce qu’il raconte est vrai, alors…
Seiya : Cet homme à la force gigantesque qui s’est présenté comme un dieu…
Seiya : serait donc un humain !!!

Page 07

Brontès : Ne dis pas n’importe quoi.
Brontès : Je suis un dieu.
Brontès : Une existence qu’un esprit humain ne peut appréhender.
Brontès : Cependant, je reconnais ta force.
Brontès : Si je ne peux pas te détruire avec des attaques à distance, alors…
Brontès : je n’ai plus qu’à te frapper directement de mon pouvoir.

Pages 08-09

Brontès : Mon épée va t’infliger…
Brontès : un châtiment cyclopéen.
GOUWAN SAIKOUCHIKU (Reconstruction du bras karmique)

Page 10

GOUKEN DANZAI (Jugement de l’épée karmique)

Page 11

Kokutô : Recule, Shura !!! Tu ne peux pas en faire plus !!!
Kokutô : Cela ne concerne plus seulement tes deux bras et ta jambe gauche !!! Ton corps entier va être anéanti !!!
Kokutô : Déplace-toi dans une autre dimension !!!

Page 12

Shura : Non, pas encore.
Shura : Je n’ai pas encore utilisé tout mon pouvoir.
Shura : J’ai toujours au fond de mon cœur…
Shura : la volonté de protéger Athéna.
Shura : La flamme ne s’est pas éteinte.

Page 13

Shura : Elle brûle plus que jamais…
Seiya : Attends !! Regarde bien…
Shura : pour protéger…
Seiya : La matière qui a reconstruit les membres perdus de Shura…
Shura : La Terre…
Seiya : C’est le pouvoir de l’épée divine que j’avais empruntée ?!!
Shura : Tous ses habitants…
Seiya : Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi !!
Shura : et mon ami.
Seiya : Dans ce cas, comme à ce moment-là*…
Seiya : il y a quelque chose que moi seul peux faire !!!

Page 14

Seiya : Même si toute mon âme devait se consumer…
Seiya : (Allez, maintenant brûle…)
Seiya : Je n’en ai rien à faire !!!
Seiya : Ô, déesse**, rien qu’une fois de plus…
Seiya : (Mon Cosmos !)
Seiya : offre à Shura la divine protection de ton épée !!!

Page 15

Ce qui se trouve au-delà du néant***…
Invocation du Dixième Sens.
La conscience divine absolue.

Pages 16-17

Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi
Futsu no Mitama
Ame no Habakiri****

INVOCATION DES ÉPÉES DIVINES

Pages 18-19

EX KAMUI***** (les trois épées de l’âge des dieux)

Page 20

Brontès : Il a absorbé le Cosmos de son ami puis l’a amplifié…
Brontès : pour en tirer de force le pouvoir abyssal qui réside en lui !!!
Brontès : Une technique divine qui a même le potentiel de détruire jusqu’à sa propre conscience et personnalité.
Brontès : Il a partagé son Cosmos tout en sachant qu’il pouvait en mourir.
Brontès : Ces deux-là… sont unis par une confiance absolue.
Brontès : Ce sont de véritables amis.

* Référence à l'avant-dernier chapitre de GA. Si Shura a pu vaincre Zeus, c'est parce que Seiya a libéré le pouvoir de Kusanagi.
** Littéralement "dieu". Mais vu le contexte, je pense qu'il parle d'Amaterasu, la détentrice de Kusanagi dans GA.
*** Le Neuvième Sens, le pouvoir du néant.
**** Futsu no Mitama et Ame no Habaraki : épées divines de la mythologie. Pour en savoir plus :
https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/literature/Futsunomitama.html
https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/literature/Totsuka no Tsurugi (a sword in the Japanese Myth).html
***** Kamui, peut-être une référence aux Kamuy aïnous ? Ou simplement aux Kamui du Kurumanga.

• Okada still doesn't describe the 9th Sense in detail and now presents a 10th Sense. The writing of this story already seems like bad fanfic. The appearance of a Super Saiyan 10 in the Dragon Ball universe would make more sense than this.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The Taizen and Hypermyth have long alluded without extreme detail; hence the word Alluded is very important too; to a 10th sense.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The Taizen and Hypermyth have long alluded without extreme detail; hence the word Alluded is very important too; to a 10th sense.

Taizen only alludes to the 8th sense and even the official site only describes the 8th sense. The Hypermyth which is a bad fanfic where Kurumada did not participate describes the 9th sense and only the first version of this material, because the version published in 2001 eliminated all that nonsense of the 9th sense.

 

[Rabbit2002]

What does the 10th sense do ?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Taizen only alludes to the 8th sense and even the official site only describes the 8th sense. The Hypermyth which is a bad fanfic where Kurumada did not participate describes the 9th sense and only the first version of this material, because the version published in 2001 eliminated all that nonsense of the 9th sense.

A massive portion of the fanbase might disagree with you but meh its not worth debating.

 

[Hasty12345]

A massive portion of the fanbase might disagree with you but meh its not worth debating.

What else is new

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

A massive portion of the fanbase might disagree with you but meh its not worth debating.

No, you can even ask in the Spanish, Portuguese and French forums, and everyone who knows this universe will explain to you that in the main universe and Kurumada's work there are only 8th senses. The rest is just bad fanfic, because Kurumada never introduces that into his story.

Even to think that an older version of Hypermyth in which Kurumada did not participate is a superior and more important canon than even what is described in the original manga and the author's new works is ridiculous, especially when that version was published during the Poseidon Arc, a time when Kurumada was still introducing several new concepts and ideas for the original manga in the next arc, and even a later version of that material was published eliminating some of the nonsense of the first version.

 

[Hasty12345]

appeal to popularity

 

[Hasty12345]

Wait til this guy finds out Kurumada officially endorses and trusts the mangaka in charge of spin-offs as much as he trusts his own children and treats all spin-offs as canon derivatives/successors to the original.

You can be pissed all you want over what Okada chooses to do, doesn't change its legitimacy, nor does it retroactively affect how we interpret the classic manga, the 8th sense is no longer (and NEVER) has been the "maximum sense", it has and always will be the Divine Will, a super sense beyond all senses, it doesn't matter if Okada introduces 42069 senses, the Divine Will supersedes it and thus Classic retroactively scales above any sense Okada introduces. I think Okada is being super mindful of Classic and you just need some copium tbh.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Wait til this guy finds out Kurumada officially endorses and trusts the mangaka in charge of spin-offs as much as he trusts his own children and treats all spin-offs as canon derivatives/successors to the original.

You can be pissed all you want over what Okada chooses to do, doesn't change its legitimacy, nor does it retroactively affect how we interpret the classic manga, the 8th sense is no longer (and NEVER) has been the "maximum sense", it has and always will be the Divine Will, a super sense beyond all senses, it doesn't matter if Okada introduces 42069 senses, the Divine Will supersedes it and thus Classic retroactively scales above any sense Okada introduces. I think Okada is being super mindful of Classic and you just need some copium tbh.

Kurumada never treats spin-offs as canon for his universe, even contradicting spin-offs in his more recent works, especially when it comes to the first spin-offs that were published. The only spin-off that took care not to contradict was Saintia Sho, which is why in Zero the scene where Aiolos discovers that Athena is in danger and travels to help her at the Temple of the Pope is skipped, because this scene was shown in Saintia Sho.

In his work or even official guides where Kurumada participates, he never mentions the existence of a 9th or 10th sense, for Kurumada the 8th sense is the maximum sense, and his inspiration for the concept of the 8th senses was the concept of the eight consciousnesses, that is why its closeness to the concept of Buddhist enlightenment as presented in his manga.

 

[Hasty12345]

All works by Okada, Teshirogi, Kuori and Kurumada are all considered canon. Just because in Zero and Kurumda's other spin offs he's chosen to rewrite some parts of G and Saga's backstory choosing to make those stories canon alternate timelines, doesn't mean he doesn't consider them canon to his franchise. This is likely why he approved Okada to introduce the multiverse (Sho and LC both introduce a multiverse as well).

Generalized concepts like the senses exist in all timelines, this is common sense. Just because the Saints of Classic do not have this information, doesn't invalidate their existence. You need to understand this, because this is how Saint Seiya is treated by the authors of the franchise. Kuru won't be around forever to write for the franchise and he's perfectly aware of this and fully trusts these authors. You need to as well, whether you like it or not.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

All works by Okada, Teshirogi, Kuori and Kurumada are all considered canon. Just because in Zero and Kurumda's other spin offs he's chosen to rewrite some parts of G and Saga's backstory choosing to make those stories canon alternate timelines, doesn't mean he doesn't consider them canon to his franchise. This is likely why he approved Okada to introduce the multiverse (Sho and LC both introduce a multiverse as well).

Generalized concepts like the senses exist in all timelines, this is common sense. Just because the Saints of Classic do not have this information, doesn't invalidate their existence. You need to understand this, because this is how Saint Seiya is treated by the authors of the franchise. Kuru won't be around forever to write for the franchise and he's perfectly aware of this and fully trusts these authors. You need to as well, whether you like it or not.

For the main universe, Kuramada never considered these works as canon. For Kurumada, Okada's work is just a different universe with other rules, ideas and concepts that have no relation to those shown in the main universe. And the concept of the multiverse in this franchise was created so that these authors could write their story without following what was presented in the original manga or the main universe of Kurumada.

In Kurumada's main universe there are not 9th or 10th senses, there are only 8th senses and this concept was created following the ideas of the eight consciousnesses, also the 8th sense is related to Buddhist enlightenment. If other manga such as Okada's work introduce the concept of 10th senses and other nonsense ideas, they are exclusive to this universe or fanfic created by this author. All you need to do is learn to separate Kurumada's work from the work of other authors.

 

[Hasty12345]

You're so closed minded and stuck in your own head canon my guy, the 8th sense beign Buddhist enlightenment isn't even relevant to this conversation ffs.

The 9th and 10th sense don't have to be mentioned in classic for them to exist in that timeline. What you're saying is tantamount to "sight" or "cosmo/7th sense" not existing in some timelines, that is illogical and headcanon of the highest degree. Kurumada has already endorsed the idea that the Divine Will is the "be all and end all" of power within the verse, the amount of senses that's introduced in any media cannot supersede the Divine Will, that would be the only contradiction regarding the amount of senses an author can introduce.

If you don't like the other works, that's fine and you're entitled to that opinion, but, the other works have direct influence on the franchise as whole, which includes Classic.

Yes Kurumada like his Saints more grounded, hence why they tend to only reach Galaxy level without miracles, Yes Okada like his saints being stronk af and makes his favorites casually universal. Yes Saga in Classic has a different backstory to the one in Sho, they're different people, they're allowed to. But none of these individual character changes have any bearing on the general concepts of the verse such as the Divine Will and senses.

And all spin-offs assume you've read classic, hence why they don't repeat every minute detail mentioned by Kurumada. Classic is assumed reading, like any franchise with spin-offs, they build of what the primary work introduced, hence why Okada doesn't explain the 8th sense, or Athena's Exclamation, or the Divine Will, they're all concepts thoroughly explored in Classic. And for the record, Aiolia explains the 9th sense in GA, try reading GA sometime, it'll help you understand GR (the sequel) a little better.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

You're so closed minded and stuck in your own head canon my guy, the 8th sense beign Buddhist enlightenment isn't even relevant to this conversation ffs.

The 9th and 10th sense don't have to be mentioned in classic for them to exist in that timeline. What you're saying is tantamount to "sight" or "cosmo/7th sense" not existing in some timelines, that is illogical and headcanon of the highest degree. Kurumada has already endorsed the idea that the Divine Will is the "be all and end all" of power within the verse, the amount of senses that's introduced in any media cannot supersede the Divine Will, that would be the only contradiction regarding the amount of senses an author can introduce.

If you don't like the other works, that's fine and you're entitled to that opinion, but, the other works have direct influence on the franchise as whole, which includes Classic.

Yes Kurumada like his Saints more grounded, hence why they tend to only reach Galaxy level without miracles, Yes Okada like his saints being stronk af and makes his favorites casually universal. Yes Saga in Classic has a different backstory to the one in Sho, they're different people, they're allowed to. But none of these individual character changes have any bearing on the general concepts of the verse such as the Divine Will and senses.

And all spin-offs assume you've read classic, hence why they don't repeat every minute detail mentioned by Kurumada. Classic is assumed reading, like any franchise with spin-offs, they build of what the primary work introduced, hence why Okada doesn't explain the 8th sense, or Athena's Exclamation, or the Divine Will, they're all concepts thoroughly explored in Classic. And for the record, Aiolia explains the 9th sense in GA, try reading GA sometime, it'll help you understand GR (the sequel) a little better.

This is the main canon of Kurumada, not a manga that looks like a fanfic or a canon invented by a fan, where Kurumada only mentions the 8th sense and this is the maximum sense in his manga. Even in interviews or official guides where he participates he never mentions the existence of a sense superior to the 8th sense.

Now place a scene from the main universe where Kurumada mentions the existence of the 10th senses or at least place an interview and official guide where Kurumada hints that there are 10th senses in his manga. It is clear that this is nothing but nonsense invented by Okada for his universe, a universe that has nothing to do with Kurumada's main universe, even within the story it is a different universe, so it is a universe with its own rules, ideas and concepts.

The other works such as Okada's work have no influence on the main universe or Kurumada's work, and he even contradicts what is shown in those works on several occasions. For Kurumada, Okada's nonsense invented in his manga has no relevance to his work and he never refers to them in his manga.

The general concepts of the verse change in the different series, for example the concept of the Specters is different in TLC to what is shown in the original manga and Next Dimension, where the Specters are not reincarnations and have different appearance in each era, even it is described that the Saints do not seal souls in the rosary and are sealing the Masei (evil stars), because it is the Masei and Surplice that gives the Specters the knowledge and power. The same basic concepts of the franchise can change in the different works, that is why the concept of the multiverse was created, so that the authors did not have problems when creating their stories and could have the freedom to introduce new and different concepts to the franchise with respect to what was presented in the original manga. Even the concept of the creation of Shaka's rosary is different in the manga, where the creation of this rosary was attributed to Buddha, while in TLC it was created by Asmita. This is just a small example of the differences in concepts and ideas between the different works of this franchise.

The funny thing is that this concept of divine will is nothing more than a head canon invented by a fan as a result of what was presented in Hypermyth, a work of no importance to Kurumada or the franchise.

This does not change that each author writes his story as he wishes, and even changes basic concepts like the descriptions of the Athena Exclamation and introduces nonsense concepts like 10th senses, when Kurumada never mentions that in his manga or any official guide where he participates, even he does not mention any of that in the interviews where he reveals some details about the development of his story.

As I said, the only important thing is to learn to separate Kurumada's work from the work of other authors.

 

[Hasty12345]

Cool, the LC saints have a different method of sealing wow man, that's almost as crazy as 2 different Saga's having different AP.