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I’m not aware of anymore myselfDoes anyone have a list of all the feats that could be considered universal scale in this franchise?.
I remember some famous feats like Poseidon's cosmos encompassing the universe, Seiya destroys Poseidon's pillar (which could withstand the destruction of the universe), Hades created the world of the dead and this place was completely destroyed with his death, and I would probably also include Shaka and Shijima's fight where they destroy and create countless universes.
Series like The Lost Canvas (Main Manga and Gaidens), Episode.G, Assassin and Requiem (The 19 Chapters that have been published so far) do not have feats of this level.
Saintia Sho has this Eris feat.
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New Requiem Chapter! whats with Aldebaran's horn? anyone can give us a summary?
Omega has the description of Abzu as the creator of the universe, he is also the only god in the franchise who is older than the universe.
Figure Oh Magazine Nº220
宇宙と人類を創造した闇の絶対神。光牙の身体を寄り代に復活し、宇宙を光が誕生する以前の姿に 戻そうとした。
It is described that Saturn stopped the time of the universe.
Figure Oh Magazine Nº220
刻闘士の真の主たる刻の神。昴の姿から覚醒し、全宇宙の時間を止める。技:クロノコンクルージョンエターナル。
Dark Wing has the destruction of the Underworld by the divine lightning of Athena/purifying flames of Athena.
Is the Underworld still considered as a universe for the description of universe in the Wiki?.Chapter 3:
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Chapter 8:
Eito: この「神の雷」は今、貴様らの巣である冥界を穿っているのだからな
Charlotte: 冥界に直接の攻撃を...!?
Eito: それに、 俺はあの「紛い物」をアテナとは認めん
Charlotte: カトレアさんが紛い物...?
Does anyone remember another feat of universal scale in the franchise?.
In Requiem, Seiya mentions that the dimensional abilities allow Saints and Cyclops to teleport inside the Sanctuary. It seems that Athena's barrier is not impressive in this series or maybe this happened because Athena's barrier is weakened and Seiya confirms that he is an idiot in Requiem (something that is not new, considering that Seiya mentions the destruction of a Temple as something impressive and that to achieve this the enemy needs to overcome Athena's power, when the power of three Gold Saints with the Athena Exclamation destroys the Virgo Temple and the power of two Athena Exclamation would destroy the whole Sanctuary, and Shijima threatens to destroy the Virgo Temple with Angyo).
not wrongShaka is the true god of this franchise.
Tenma (who has the power of a Bronze Saint, probably a bit stronger) indicates that he could fight Goldie, so the doped lion is far from the power of a Gold Saint, and was defeated by Worm Specter with ease. Goldie's power seems to be somewhere between a Bronze Saint and a Silver Saint.
I also believe there was a statement in requiem that implies that the primoridals have some kind of limited hax negation of Olympians because they're older or something along those lines, so there are multiple factors here that explain why Athena's barrier is weak atm.
Kaiser literally asked death toll if he would like to fight him or Goldie. This implies Kaiser thinks death toll could lose. Additionally, suikyo was a victim of Goldie, meaning Goldie at least did something when suikyo got to Leo. On top of this, Goldie wasn’t really defeated by worm, more than held down. Kaiser was also held down, but broke free. So Kaiser is most probably > goldIie. But goldie seems to have been somewhere near a gold. Idk how a lion could get a cosmo that strong, but whatever.
This is what I was thinking, as cosmo exists in every living thing, and The 7th sense is the source of cosmo. Therefore, any life form should theoretically be able to reach the 7th sense with enough training and miracles/plot armor
Kaiser just exaggerates, and then we saw how Goldie lost to the Worm Specter, who was defeated by Deathtoll with a hit from his ass. Goldie couldn't break free from the tentacles of the Worm Specter, a Gold Saint like Aiolia and Kaiser broke free from those tentacles easily. Suikyo was weakened and injured from his fights against Ikki, Ox, Cain/Abel and Deathtoll, even he is still weakened in his last fight against Dohko, after drinking the water from the Crateris Cloth to heal his wounds. Goldie is not at the level of a Gold Saint or close in power to them, even Tenma indicates that he could fight Goldie and Tenma is only a Bronze Saint in that part of the story.
No, this was also described in the original manga of Saint Seiya where the cosmos is life itself and all living beings on the planet possess a cosmos, although only a few with training or the blessing of a god can use it and control this cosmos. Goldie and Blondie are descendants of a Lion (who is probably a descendant of the Nemea Lion. Or was it the Nemea Lion in the Saint Seiya universe?), who could understand human language and communicate telepathically with humans.
Yes, Lost Canvas is Saint Seiya manga?
It's a manga of Saint Seiya, but it has a very strange concept of cosmos, we even saw how the Saints lost the ability to use their cosmos because of a scientist's cathode (a ridiculous concept for the original manga, and these indicates that Hades should have sent his Specters to study science if they wanted to neutralize Saints) and Athena neutralizes Yato and Yuzuriha's cosmos, when in the original manga the cosmos is impossible for the gods to neutralise because it represents the life of living beings, therefore only death can prevent a Saint from using his cosmos, even the 8th Sense allows Saints to transcend death itself.
It is impossible to nullify the power of a Saint, even Hades' barrier only weakens the Saints, but it does not prevent them from using their cosmos, because cosmos represents life itself and whenever a Saint has life he can ignite his cosmos (this is Seiya's phrase). Even after death the cosmos still exists in the world, which is why Olivia was able to help her daughter and the Saintias after death, and the Saintias helped Athena after death, and Aiolos helped Athena after death.
speaking of, weren't you gonna make a CRT to give the golds with 8th sense like low 1-C type 9 immortality? or something
In the main universe it is impossible to nullify cosmos of the Saints, not even the gods have that power, that's why Hades could never neutralise the Saints and prevent them from using their cosmos. Athena does not grant powers to the Saints, they gain their powers through training and mastery of the senses, a characteristic that differentiates the Saints from the warriors of other gods (such as the Mariners and the Specters) and grants them unlimited potential. That's why the idea of Athena taking away the cosmos and the ability to use their cosmos from the Saints is stupid for what is presented in Kurumada's manga (even taking away a living being's cosmos is killing it, because cosmos represents the life of living beings). Saori couldn't stop Seiya and the others from fighting again. That was nonsense that Shiori made up for her universe, because the author doesn't understand Kurumada's manga.
No. Although the Gold Saints were able to achieve type 9 immortality with the 8th Sense, because they returned after their body and soul were completely destroyed in their sacrifice to destroy the Wailing Wall. And Asclepius (who probably masters the 8th sense) could not be destroyed by the gods, and could only be trapped in the Tartarus, a prison created to detain him and prevent him from returning.
Ikki has type 5 iirc
Type 5 immortality is for those who can only be killed by destroying their soul, therefore it is the immortality of some characters like Ikki, dryads and gods (like Athena, Posedon, Hades, Hypnos, Thanatos, etc). The immortality of the Gold Saints with the 8th Sense is probably type 9, because they came back after their souls and bodies were completely destroyed, even now they transcend time and space.
What suggest it transcend time and space?
that's not how type 5 or type 9 immortality works, you're mixing regen with immortality types.
It is described that they crossed time and space to help Athena and Shijima.
wheres the panel this comes from?
Description of immortality type 9.
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It is not regeneration, because they never regenerated their bodies, they only came back as souls after they were completely destroyed.
When the Saints appear to help Saori who ended up trapped in a time and space distortion in the labyrinth of the gods that sent her back in time.
only Shaka was stated to reside in Nirvana, no other gold was stated to reside there.
