Saber (Arturia Pendragon) VS Erza Scarlet

[ScarletFirefly]

Haven't seen anyone do this yet on the VS site so here goes:

- Erza has access to all her armors and weapons. Obligatory Friendship power is not allowed.

- Saber has her Magic Circuits fully charged. Avalon's activation is restricted, but it's regenerative powers are allowed.

- Starting distance 100m.

- Location: Open grass field

- Both combatants are in character and eager to prove their superiority in the battlefield. Battle ends when either combatant can no longer fight, or is killed.

Bonus Round: Erza battles against Saber Alter.

Who wins and why?

EDIT:

Erza: 1 Vote

Saber: 7 Votes

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Bump

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Saber wins this. Erza has a lot of possible equipment to choose from, but at the end of the day her best stats are a combination of when she has a specific equipment in use that emphasize that stat so she can never have all of her stats at her highest level at the same time... meanwhile saber does not have that limitation and to make matters worse sabers stats are just equal or higher than erzas in all aspects.

The combination of stat advantage, combat precognition, and passive avalon Regenerationn that saber has will prevent erza from being able to win a a direct sword battle in melee.

Erza's city level durability also cannot stand against Sabers island level Excalibur strike, which is what Saber will use if Erza decides to disengage from melee and back off to snipe with magic. Sabers A rank magical resistance is able to completely shrug off the magical attacks of servants like Caster in her own tier who specialize in magic so it's unlikely Erza would be able to take Saber down with magic fast enough to stop Saber from getting her Excalibur attack charged and fired.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Saber has this as well for me.

Sword pretty much pointed out on Erza not being able to use all of her best armors and being at her highest at the same time, while Saber doesn't have that weakness to begin with.

Speed-wise, Saber would also dominate Erza due to having much higher combat speed (high end High Hypersonic, to be exact).

Saber's regen, especially with Avalon, should also help out in the fight her if it happens to be too serious for her but probably not.

As noted by Sword, the A Rank magical resistance of Saber's should allow her to shrug off most of Erza's attacks.

And finally, you got Saber's Excaliber which weather your using the 7-A or High 7-A version won't matter due to Erza's durability which might not help even if she used her strongest armor against it...

So pretty much a vote for Saber from me.

 

[Alpha1999]

Saber wins, more DC, durability, speed, and range.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Bump

 

[Ragazz]

saber might have physical advantages, but they arent big enough that erza wouldnt be able to keep up.

saber has magical resistances, but erza will notice that and focus on other armors.

excalibur is cool and all, but erza can block one with adamantine armor, clash it with armadura fairy armor, or outright cancel it with nakagami armor. also there is a chance that erza could evade it, and likely could be able to take 1 at the worst case scenario.

excalibur is clearly shown to be severely tiring for saber, and i dont think that she can use it more than 2 times before getting exhausted. yes, it would be tiring for erza aswell, but since she's focusing on other armors, means she's definately gonna be less exhausted than saber.

so basically, nakagami wins at the end.

Bonus round: erza smacks saber alter with the holy hammer and saber snaps out of it, then saber thanks erza for saving her from evil, they shake hands and go out to eat some cake and become best friends forever

 

[ScarletFirefly]

excalibur is cool and all, but erza can block one with adamantine armor, clash it with armadura fairy armor, or outright cancel it with nakagami armor. also there is a chance that erza could evade it, and likely could be able to take 1 at the worst case scenario.

Erza's Durability is City Level at best with her best defensive armor, while Excalibur is Small Island Level and possibly even higher, there's no possible way Erza can defend it with Adamantine Armor, let alone tank a hit with her body, she would be instantly atomized and reduced to nothing.

As you can see here from this short part of the Fate/Zero Novel:

It was ― "Ex ― calibur!!!" Light galloped. Light roared. The prana, accelerated by the factor of the released dragon, became a streak of light, a swirling and surging torrent that devoured the sea demon together with the dark night. A silent scream rose within the river water evaporating in an instant, as every single atom composing the body of the giant sea demon that had been the embodiment of terror were exposed to the scorching impact.
Excalibur travels at the speed of light and atomizes it's opponent, which in this case happens to be a monster that could regenerate instantly and was defeated because he was destroyed instantly as a whole. If Saber unleashes it, there is no dodging, and unless Erza has FTL reations, she can't do anything to stop it. Also Saber was shown to use Excalibur several times without being exhausted.

Also don't forget her Regenerative factor due to Avalon. She can regenerate from any wound and negate magical afflictions in the matter of seconds.

There's also Saber's Precog ability that gives her a refined sixth sense that is now close to true precognition in addition to halving the hindrance that visual and auditory obstructions would normally provide.

 

[Ragazz]

i've never seen why excalibur is even city level, let alone island. atleast not from fate/zero or UBW

i've never seen why would excalibur be the speed of light, many things in anime emit light, they arent lightspeed however.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

i've never seen why excalibur is even city level, let alone island.
i've never seen why would excalibur be the speed of light, many things in anime emit light, they arent lightspeed however.

While being Shirou's Servant, her Excalibur split a large cloud despite the fact that most of the blast was mitigated by Rider's Bellerophon. The feat was calced at Mountain Level and Saber's Magic Circuits weren't fully charged that time, because Shirou has a severe lack of prana.

Also Excalibur doesn't simply emit light, it is the light. The blast of Excalibur and the light which the sword glows are one in the same.

Excalibur is a "sword that amplifies". It converts the magical energy of the wielder into light by accelerating it with her factor of the dragon, intensifying the kinetic energy by convergence and acceleration, allowing for the use of Divine Spirit-level thaumaturgy.

 

[Ragazz]

doesnt sound convincing.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Excalibur is not lightspeed.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Excalibur is not lightspeed.

Even if we disregard that fact, still doesn't change the fact that Erza can't tank it with her armors, let alone eat one directly and survive.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Yeah, Fair point.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

I agree with everything Sword Dancer said. Plus, Saber has that Excalibur + Avalon combo...

At the end of the day, no matter how versatile one is, they will never win against someone who is superior to them in nearly all stats. While you can argue that the stat gap is not very big, there's still Excalibur to think about. Based on that "atomization" feat and the fact that it's small island level, do you really think Erza can withstand that, even with her Adamantine Armor? I think not.

... Also, while the Nakagami armor pierces through space and magic, it is still a magical move, and Saber has great resistance to magic.

The red-haired knight of friendship loses this one.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Yeah, Fair point.

Out of curiosity, does the OP's vote count in a VS Thread as long as he provides arguments? Also since you're here, might as well cast your vote.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Oh, I didn't notice the bonus round. Welp, Erza's much more screwed now, as Saber Alter can just spam Excaliblast until Erza's just atoms. However, Erza is faster now since IIRC Alter is slower than regular Saber.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Out of curiosity, does the OP's vote count in a VS Thread as long as he provides arguments? Also since you're here, might as well cast your vote.

I casted votes in my own threads before and they were counted (Given you have a reasoning, obviously), so I guess it's fine.

 

[Ragazz]

saber has resistance to magic, but not being pierced by a blade, which cuts through all. also saber armor is magic, so it gets negated on impact or simply pierced. so even if erza gets outclassed before, she is still fully capable of pulling a win with nakagami, that is if saber isnt exausted by firing excaliburs already.

@Shiny the fight against saber alter is meaningless, unless you will prove to me that saber alter is not evil.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I don't think there is a rule against the OP voting in their own thread however I would prefer if people didn't. looks biased otherwise.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Same as Aizen. I don't really vote on my own threads as i don't want to be assumed nor look bias'd regardless of what my answer would be as.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Same as Aizen. I don't really vote on my own as i don't want to be assumed nor look bias'd regardless of what my answer would be as.

Fair point. I won't cast my vote then.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

saber has resistance to magic, but not being pierced by a blade, which cuts through all. also saber armor is magic, so it gets negated on impact or simply pierced. so even if erza gets outclassed before, she is still fully capable of pulling a win with nakagami, that is if saber isnt exausted by firing excaliburs already.
@Shiny the fight against saber alter is meaningless, unless you will prove to me that saber alter is not evil.

Do you honestly think Erza can survive at least one Excaliblast? Judging from her profile, her dura is City while Saber's Excaliblast is Small island.

I... never said anything about Alter being a good guy.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

saber has resistance to magic, but not being pierced by a blade, which cuts through all. also saber armor is magic, so it gets negated on impact or simply pierced. so even if erza gets outclassed before, she is still fully capable of pulling a win with nakagami, that is if saber isnt exausted by firing excaliburs already.
@Shiny the fight against saber alter is meaningless, unless you will prove to me that saber alter is not evil.

Even if we accept the NLF that erza can use her magic sword to cut through any amount of magic armor despite massive amounts of magical resistance, saber has better stats and 'combat instinct that borders on precognition' so odds are very much against erza landing a significant amount of damaging blows on saber before she herself gets cut down - especially with avalon working to quickly heal any minor strikes.

This is all once again ignoring that erza will not survive even one hit from excalibur, whether in the large scale ranged form or in the charged melee strike form.

 

[Ragazz]

according to the given vs wiki stats that is.

 

[Reppuzan]

vil.
Even if we accept the NLF that erza can use her magic sword to cut through any amount of magic armor despite massive amounts of magical resistance

To be fair, Gae Daerg did just that despite being a "magic spear" that nullifies magic on contact in a manner not dissimilar to the Nakagami armor.

That said, Saber should have no problems blitzing (Erza's At least Hypersonic+ to Saber's Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions and combat speed)

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Looks 5-1 for saber so far.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

That said, Saber should have no problems blitzing (Erza's At least Hypersonic+ to Saber's Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions and combat speed)

Yeah, Saber can practically dodge everything Erza has to attack her with.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Erza because she is Erza.

Going with Saber due to what everyone has already said.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Looks like Saber has 6 votes now. One more and she wins.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Looks like Saber has 6 votes now. One more and she wins.

If @LordAizenSama reply is considered as a vote in Saber's favor, it is 7 to 1. But I don't really think I can consider it a vote, since it's kinda vague. Gonna wait for more input on the thread.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Bump

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

saber wud win.. for reasons already stated...

 

[ScarletFirefly]

That makes the final tally 7:1 in favor of Saber. Can someone request at the Official Request Thread for this to be added, I'm on mobile and can't.

 

[Ragazz]

looks more like 6-2 to me

 

[ScarletFirefly]

looks more like 6-2 to me

Where did you get the second vote for Erza?

 

[Ragazz]

ah yes, my mistake, i might have mixed something up.

 

[LordAizenSama]

That makes the final tally 7:1 in favor of Saber. Can someone request at the Official Request Thread for this to be added, I'm on mobile and can't.

We have a grace period of one day before we can add any wins or losses. just to give people the chance to comment,

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Fair enough.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

3 more hours now