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RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy
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Sunny Dragon vs Flying Dragon
Synopsis: These are two that I adore because they love to fight and aren't afraid to be smug and cocky about it, along with be hot headed and hot blooded, Yang Xiao Long vs Katsuragi Rules: Links to characters: Yang Xiao Long, Katsuragi Beacon Yang (>3.41 Tons of TNT) and Burst Katsuragi...vsbattles.com
Mirai fights the Red Reaper of Beacon
Mirai vs Ruby Rose Rules: Links to characters: Ruby Rose, Mirai Beacon Ruby (3.41 Tons of TNT) and Burst Mirai (
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Would like some thoughts on this
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As long as we dont consider this all actual canon, or try to scale RWBY to the actual DC characters for main profiles.
They did call this canon-adjacent, but they clarified that they mean its written in the context of RWBT, that Team RWBY will fit in with their character arcs post V10, and wont ever actually mention this movie in the real canon (Which is stupid if thye dont pass on some of the deeper character arcs they were trying to write into V10).
If the writers arent confident enough to mention the 'run in with Wonder Woman' in the main show, then they clearly arent confidently able to scale. The actual DCverse takes care of the Salem situation within a day fr
They did call this canon-adjacent, but they clarified that they mean its written in the context of RWBT, that Team RWBY will fit in with their character arcs post V10, and wont ever actually mention this movie in the real canon (Which is stupid if thye dont pass on some of the deeper character arcs they were trying to write into V10).
If the writers arent confident enough to mention the 'run in with Wonder Woman' in the main show, then they clearly arent confidently able to scale. The actual DCverse takes care of the Salem situation within a day fr
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I mean canon adjacent also means that what the characters do in the movie are also what they should be able to do in the show. They say that it’s mostly canon, but again, they just won’t refrence it in the main show. There’s no need to separate the scaling, especially since main Team RWBY comes out at the end and fights the JL a bit. That said, I wouldn’t say that Ruby scales to the main Supes. She would just scale to this specific version and his feats
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If this isn't confident enough for the writers to mention it (as it shouldnt), and is only considered canon so they can meaningfully write the character arcs they were tryna portray in this movie, then it should not be a basis for the main canon or its scaling.
By canon-adjacent, they are clearly elaborating with their comment that its so they can write the RWBY characters actually in-canon and thay 'act as they should'. This wouldnt scale to main-series power.
Because there aint no way in hell that the Justice League struggle to restrain Yang fr
They wont reference it in the main show for a pretty significant reason. Its not straight canon. It's only adjacent for the sake of RWBY's writing, which im hoping is their way of good practise for the actual show.
With that in mind. I just dont think we should even mention this movie on any of the main profiles or use it as a basis for Team RWBY's power, much like the show is doing. That being said, separate profiles for this specific crossover should be fine (Watts was pretty based even though he was super mixed writing-wise in this) if people really need to write profiles and make calcs for this. Not that i can recall anything really new power-wise for the RWBY characters in their actual forms.
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I mean they didn’t mention anything power wise when they said it was canon adjacent. You’d have to look for a specific quote for that. And again, these two movies fit perfectly in the RWBY timeline and never contradict anything from the show. You say that the JL shouldn’t have any trouble restraining Yang, but you are using other versions of the JL as your point, which doesn’t matter here. We are using these versions of the JL only. And these versions are featless. Thus, Yang taking them on isn’t an outlier like you are implying. These characters are basically acting like they do in the main show, which should be used for scaling.
Once again, unless there is a specific line in an interview that states that they made it canon adjacent due to power reasons, I see it holding no ground
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They didn't make it canon-adjacent because of power, they made it cause they specifically wanted to write the RWBY characters in-character. As per usual, writers aren't thinking of the powerscalers. And again, they clarify completely the canon-adjacent was just so they could have team RWBY act like Team RWBY at their point in the story. They did the whole 'time dilation' thing just to try and link it up to their current post-v9 arcs (Which again, they better not just waste on this movie)
Im aware this version of the JL is clearly weaker, but its just funny to imagine anything in RWBY being a threat to the Justice League in DC, esp when theyre so confident to mention/show many heroes like Fire and Shazam. Its a crossover so they had to had to pander up to RWBY a little bit but er... aint no way they'd be struggling with a Grimm invasion. These ppl took on Darkseid. The scaling of the DC heroes was off between themselves as well tbf, just goes to show that they werent thinking of it.
And since the writers dont want to align this with actual canon, none of the characters would scale to Killgore and Watts' collective grimm energy power anyway (They were in the losing situation battle-wise), we shouldn't either
If the writers arent confident enough to mention this in the main series, then we shouldnt be confident to even write a single mention of Superman on Ruby Rose's main profile ngl.
Im aware this version of the JL is clearly weaker, but its just funny to imagine anything in RWBY being a threat to the Justice League in DC, esp when theyre so confident to mention/show many heroes like Fire and Shazam. Its a crossover so they had to had to pander up to RWBY a little bit but er... aint no way they'd be struggling with a Grimm invasion. These ppl took on Darkseid. The scaling of the DC heroes was off between themselves as well tbf, just goes to show that they werent thinking of it.
And since the writers dont want to align this with actual canon, none of the characters would scale to Killgore and Watts' collective grimm energy power anyway (They were in the losing situation battle-wise), we shouldn't either
If the writers arent confident enough to mention this in the main series, then we shouldnt be confident to even write a single mention of Superman on Ruby Rose's main profile ngl.
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Like...i get it, and there genuinely is nothing from what i can tell that gives RWBY any extra powers or abilities in their regular forms (Just more skill showings ig? There aint no way we putting them on par in combat skill with Batman or Wonder Woman cause of this), but i cant shake this weird reason someones gonna hype this crazy feat from these movies and try to use it to justify RWBY tier upgrades in any capacity...
Now if they ever wanna think to mention Watts again, that'll make or break the canonicity. We shouldn't scale off 'canon adjacents' in crossovers like this they arent confident of putting in the main story, when they're directly fine with the rule of 'its canon until we contradict ourselves'. Makes it super shaky and unreliable, even if there was a hint of scaling
Now if they ever wanna think to mention Watts again, that'll make or break the canonicity. We shouldn't scale off 'canon adjacents' in crossovers like this they arent confident of putting in the main story, when they're directly fine with the rule of 'its canon until we contradict ourselves'. Makes it super shaky and unreliable, even if there was a hint of scaling
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You don’t know that these guys took on Darksied. Again, this verse is completely featless. Just the name of the villian isn’t enough to not scale. And I understand that they wanted to write team RWBY in character, but that also means that they also write them in terms of how they fight too. And it’s not like they are not confident. They straight up put important plot points from V8 and V9 into part 2, showing that they do have confidence in this movie. They just want to keep the JL and RWBY sides of things separated for story reasons. And at this point, RWBY has crossed over with DC so many times that it’s not an outlier to do it.
Also, Yang went toe to toe with possessed Wonder Woman and managed to knock her far back. That doesn’t seem to me like on the losing side. Heck, Watts was trying to run away at the end too. And I also wouldn’t really call it necessary to call a story “canon adjacent” just to write the characters as, well, the characters. You write characters as themselves in any property. What they mean is that this is canon in the RWBYverse, that it actually happened, but that they want to keep it separated from DC. Again, when Kerry mentions that they won’t mention running into Wonder Woman later on in the show, that means that in the main timeline, they did meet with her.
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You realise the Justice League was only formed after Darkseid's first attempted invasion of Earth right? Thats like, the JL's canon event. Darkseid would definitely exist if Weather Wizard does....
They dont have confidence in the movie. They outright state they aren't gonna mention it in the main story, but are writing the RWBY characters in-character at that point of time. RWBY does that a lot with tryna redeem their writing (its always the wrong arcs in the wrong volumes). They fight like they do (cause why wouldnt they? RWBY doesnt care about powerscaling) but just because of that doesnt mean we can scale their feats in this crossover movie to the main series? Heck, they dont even get their real powers for ther majority of the fight, and all of their actual feats are digitally altered and not even in Remnant.
Wonder Woman solos the verse normally, but yeah, Watts and Killgore were at the power advantage. The only solution was to trap them inside their own world, they couldn't overpower them. Watts would never be on the frontlines regardless, bro just summoned grimm to fight for him.
the story is literally stated by Kerry to be canon adjacent from a character writing perspective, read this
Unless its tryna wank Yang into beating Tifa, they dont care about scaling RWBY to DC for the most part. Ergo they aren't considering these events canon to the main storyline, but its only canon in the way the RWBY characters are feeling/their arcs at the time.
They don't mean that whatsoever...This didn't happen and they outright say they arent gonna mention it in the main series. If its not good enough to be a referral to the main canon, then it shouldnt be good enough to try and scale Yang to Wonder Woman, or put the events of this movie anywhere on the main profiles. Even if you could possibly, at all think this is canon to the main series, it only being canon adjacent just leaves it susceptible to scrutiny and unreliability.
And theres no way ppl still think all the other DC crossover stuff with RWBY is canon alongside this too...right?
They dont have confidence in the movie. They outright state they aren't gonna mention it in the main story, but are writing the RWBY characters in-character at that point of time. RWBY does that a lot with tryna redeem their writing (its always the wrong arcs in the wrong volumes). They fight like they do (cause why wouldnt they? RWBY doesnt care about powerscaling) but just because of that doesnt mean we can scale their feats in this crossover movie to the main series? Heck, they dont even get their real powers for ther majority of the fight, and all of their actual feats are digitally altered and not even in Remnant.
Wonder Woman solos the verse normally, but yeah, Watts and Killgore were at the power advantage. The only solution was to trap them inside their own world, they couldn't overpower them. Watts would never be on the frontlines regardless, bro just summoned grimm to fight for him.
the story is literally stated by Kerry to be canon adjacent from a character writing perspective, read this
Unless its tryna wank Yang into beating Tifa, they dont care about scaling RWBY to DC for the most part. Ergo they aren't considering these events canon to the main storyline, but its only canon in the way the RWBY characters are feeling/their arcs at the time.
They don't mean that whatsoever...This didn't happen and they outright say they arent gonna mention it in the main series. If its not good enough to be a referral to the main canon, then it shouldnt be good enough to try and scale Yang to Wonder Woman, or put the events of this movie anywhere on the main profiles. Even if you could possibly, at all think this is canon to the main series, it only being canon adjacent just leaves it susceptible to scrutiny and unreliability.
And theres no way ppl still think all the other DC crossover stuff with RWBY is canon alongside this too...right?
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Like they're literally explaining and elaborating for once, that they only consider it canon-adjacent in the way they're going to portray Team RWBY. As they did.
They've written them taking into account the events in the main series, so that characters like Ruby, Yang and Weiss can have their respective arc in this story that gets resolved by the end (something they should put in the main show). It is canon to their 'arcs', but its not going to be mentioned ever in the main series or even alluded to. This'll be all the more apparent if they DO decide to redo these arcs into V10 (They should). Its purely writing perspective so the RWBY characters are in character with their development. NOT to scale them power-wise
Theres no way to mistake this
They've written them taking into account the events in the main series, so that characters like Ruby, Yang and Weiss can have their respective arc in this story that gets resolved by the end (something they should put in the main show). It is canon to their 'arcs', but its not going to be mentioned ever in the main series or even alluded to. This'll be all the more apparent if they DO decide to redo these arcs into V10 (They should). Its purely writing perspective so the RWBY characters are in character with their development. NOT to scale them power-wise
Theres no way to mistake this
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“Everything about it is pretty canon. The characters are going to act as they should. It just means we're probably not going to reference their run-in with Wonder Woman later in the series.”
Acting means their fighting ability too. Again, they don’t mention anything power wise in terms of canon stuff. That is an assumption you are making. They value the character’s arcs, yes, but that also doesn’t mean they don’t value their strength too. If they didjnt( they wouldn’t write a scene of Yang throwing hands with WW. They would insert some lines about how Team RWBY is actually buffed in this world, not actually weaker due to them having no aura.
It’s not about the movies “not being good enough” for the main series. You yourself said that they are important to their arcs. It’s just that they want to keep RWBY separate from DC in the main show in terms of characters.
Also, different JL’s form for different reasons. Darksied doesn’t appear in all of them. And even if he did in this continuity, which you have no proof of, he wouldn’t automatically be uni.
Acting means their fighting ability too. Again, they don’t mention anything power wise in terms of canon stuff. That is an assumption you are making. They value the character’s arcs, yes, but that also doesn’t mean they don’t value their strength too. If they didjnt( they wouldn’t write a scene of Yang throwing hands with WW. They would insert some lines about how Team RWBY is actually buffed in this world, not actually weaker due to them having no aura.
It’s not about the movies “not being good enough” for the main series. You yourself said that they are important to their arcs. It’s just that they want to keep RWBY separate from DC in the main show in terms of characters.
Also, different JL’s form for different reasons. Darksied doesn’t appear in all of them. And even if he did in this continuity, which you have no proof of, he wouldn’t automatically be uni.
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They are portraying RWBY accurately, yes. But they make no mention about separating their strength and their character arcs in the interview.
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The only mention of power in that interview is buffing Batman in the RWBY world and nerfing Superman. Which makes sense, since in Part 2, Superman is clearly the strongest there. No villians match him in a physical fight and he has to be exploited with kryptonite. No RWBY characters woudl scale to him. Wonder Woman, however, that they would since Yang takes her on one on one and manages to beat her back.
It’s clear that they thought of the power in these DC movies. However, even with that, they still have RWBY on par with some of the DC folks. Just not Superman. Which, honestly makes sense. He should be the strongest.
It’s clear that they thought of the power in these DC movies. However, even with that, they still have RWBY on par with some of the DC folks. Just not Superman. Which, honestly makes sense. He should be the strongest.
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Yeah, because its not gonna be main canon (As it shouldnt be).
No Cire, they didnt write this crossover trying to put Team RWBY on the same level as the actual power levels of these DC superheroes. It would be a stupid idea regardless to make a crossover where Team RWBY and DC's power levels were accurate. They don't have the Vs Battles wiki in mind when they make these things. I can guarantee you Death Battle wouldn't use feats from these movies.
Wonder Woman was being controlled by Killgore, and it was all their virtual bodies and codes affected (so not even their real power, just a simulation that coded their Remnant versions. RWBY weren't buffed in the world, the evnets of all that were purely fanservice and wouldnt make for a story where RWBY can be relevant if they were really up against these characters.
Its not to do with characters in the slightest. It isnt main canon. They are literally explaining clearly that its canon-adjacent in that RWBY will act as they do, and there wont be a shift in power levels. You can use this to instead make separate non-canon profiles and scale the DC versions of these heroes to RWBY (Somehow Batman and Superman would scale to eachother???), but there aint no way you can use this movie to give RWBY any sort of general mainline upgrade. They will literally not mention the events of this movie in the mainline story ever, because it simply is not main canon. And thats good.
Otherwise they literally just have to ask the Justice League to take care of the Salem situation for them
You dont know Darkseid bro (This wiki is super inaccurate with Darkseid too, hopefully they're gonna fix that. He is far, far higher than uni)
This does not mean you can scale mainline RWBY to these JL crossover movies in any capacity.
The main RWBY canon doesnt even care about their own powerscaling system, what makes you think they'll just remind us RWBY aren't all that? The closest thing you got is Death Battle, and they dont rate basic RWBY chars as highly as this wiki does.
No Cire, they didnt write this crossover trying to put Team RWBY on the same level as the actual power levels of these DC superheroes. It would be a stupid idea regardless to make a crossover where Team RWBY and DC's power levels were accurate. They don't have the Vs Battles wiki in mind when they make these things. I can guarantee you Death Battle wouldn't use feats from these movies.
Wonder Woman was being controlled by Killgore, and it was all their virtual bodies and codes affected (so not even their real power, just a simulation that coded their Remnant versions. RWBY weren't buffed in the world, the evnets of all that were purely fanservice and wouldnt make for a story where RWBY can be relevant if they were really up against these characters.
Its not to do with characters in the slightest. It isnt main canon. They are literally explaining clearly that its canon-adjacent in that RWBY will act as they do, and there wont be a shift in power levels. You can use this to instead make separate non-canon profiles and scale the DC versions of these heroes to RWBY (Somehow Batman and Superman would scale to eachother???), but there aint no way you can use this movie to give RWBY any sort of general mainline upgrade. They will literally not mention the events of this movie in the mainline story ever, because it simply is not main canon. And thats good.
Otherwise they literally just have to ask the Justice League to take care of the Salem situation for them
You dont know Darkseid bro (This wiki is super inaccurate with Darkseid too, hopefully they're gonna fix that. He is far, far higher than uni)
Yeah? Do you expect them to? Again, they dont care about vs battles wiki.
This does not mean you can scale mainline RWBY to these JL crossover movies in any capacity.
The main RWBY canon doesnt even care about their own powerscaling system, what makes you think they'll just remind us RWBY aren't all that? The closest thing you got is Death Battle, and they dont rate basic RWBY chars as highly as this wiki does.
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It isnt. Superman is struggling just as much with these Grimm as Batman. Theres Kryptonite but somehow Superman isnt...soloing this sitatuon on his own like he would usually do. To the point you can actually scale all these heroes to eachother by how they're actively affecting the same types of Grimm
Yeah, Yang doesnt normally beat WW, so lets be careful with tryna put on Yangs actual main profile "Can fight Wonder Woman". Make her a new profile for this version of Yang, dont mix it up with mainline.
Errrr no, they did not?
DC stomps RWBY bro. DC is super inconsistent sure, and these are weaker iterations but aint no way DC is portrayed as strong as it usually is here.
Again, if this really was DC, then they would end the Salem threat within a day at most. Team RWBY wouldnt be needed in any capacity (And was being so painfully overhyped during this movie.)
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Again, these aren’t mainline DC heroes. I’m not trying to scale them to their prime selves. I’m trying to scale them to these specific versions of themselves. They have no stated specific universe where they come from in the first place. These characters are featless. You can’t put feats onto them that they don’t do in this version of the story.
If it’s a vibe thing, I get it. But the logic still stands that RWBY scales to this specific version of DC, and that the writers had power in mind while writing this movie and still had Team RWBY keep up with the JL. That is a fact. And using other DC properties and universes as precedent makes no sense as, again, this is a complete different one.
And if the writers didn’t want Yang to be somewhat on par with this specific version of WW, they shouldn’t have written her litteraly punching her through several trees while amped.
You are stuck in this assumption that these JL are somehow as strong as the regular JL, which is just not true. You cannot apply this logic to these characters. You just said before that these are not the prime versions of DC, yet still want to use past precedent as justification for not scaling Team RWBY to them. It is a wrongful dichotomy.
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Why would they care about Death Battle? That’s an entirely separate show. And again, why are you assuming Darksied is whatever level of uni if he doesn’t even appear in this movie or is mentioned in the least.
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Okay good. Not what im arguing here. I'm saying we should not consider this movie at all on the main RWBY profiles. If you really must, make non-canon versions
Yeah and thats super funny but just dont mention the notmainlinecanon movie and use it to try and scale actual mainline RWBY. The writers have elaborated clearly what they mean when they call it canon-adjacent, and its nothing to do with power.
Yeah and its super funny, but please do not put on Yang's Profile "Able to punch Wonderwoman through multiple trees". Specify clearly on a separate non-canon profile that its this non-canon version of Yang
I'm not, ive stated so many times that i am very aware its not the real DC, cause if it was, they would solo. Its pretty funny.
Somehow the whole point you're missing is that i do Not agree with yall tryna scale all this to mainline RWBY. This movie is not canon. The writers have said it so clearly that its not part of the mainline, and that its only canon-adjacent in a way to tell RWBY's current arcs and situations.
Calc the feat but please for the love of god dont even try to mention any of RWBY x JL on the main profiles
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Cause Death Battle and RWBY are under the same parent company, and easily have reference for eachother. And we saw RWBYs influence on death battle very apparent when they made Yang beat Tifa.
So Death Battle and its values have a lot more closer weight to stats than actual vs battles wiki tbh.
Again though, not important or anything you need to be making side discussions on. I'm not saying Death Battle is accurate but like...they're pretty close relation with RWBY
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If that was the case, then they literally wouldn’t put the movie right after V9 and mention things that happen in that volume. But for the sake of everyone, I’m okay with a “canon adjacent” profile. Which is still canon. I just want the feats discussed and I can bring it up with other people on other sites.
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It’s canon adjacent. If you vibe with it, fine. But that doesn’t automatically make it non-canon. Remnant and DC have crossed over so many times at this point that RWBY is practically apart of DC.Cause Death Battle and RWBY are under the same parent company, and easily have reference for eachother. And we saw RWBYs influence on death battle very apparent when they made Yang beat Tifa.
So Death Battle and its values have a lot more closer weight to stats than actual vs battles wiki tbh.
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Because...they literally stated the characters are gonna be canon-adjacent with how they are in the show??? And their arcs specifically???
This should be obvious right now?
That just means the characters are gonna be in-character. This doesnt mean RWBY x JL is actually mainline canon (its not)
Its not canon bro dont even try
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Its not canon.
None of the RWBY x DC things are canon to mainline RWBY
The way its described as canon-adjacent is elaborated that its character-arc focused, and actively confirmed they arent gonna mention this in the actual mainline show. Because its not mainline. Its just an excuse for the writers to make the characters accurate to their own story and happenings in the timeline
Please dont put any of this on main RWBY profiles for the future please, this has already crept its way onto profiles before.
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Sometimes I wish instead of being canon adjacent, they just do a Xenoverse/Heroes thing where Team RWBY went through Volume 1-9 yet unlike their quote unquote "canon" counterparts they met a version of the Justice League and split off from the show.
Now obviously I'm not saying that justifies the movies being canon to RWBY, as @Jinx666 here said it's clearly not, but it's definitely a more reasonable explanation then stupid words like "canon adjacent" and causing unnecessary confusion
Now obviously I'm not saying that justifies the movies being canon to RWBY, as @Jinx666 here said it's clearly not, but it's definitely a more reasonable explanation then stupid words like "canon adjacent" and causing unnecessary confusion
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It’s canon adjacent. You’re trying to say that it’s automatically non-canon because of it. If it was non canon, they would have said so and still write them in character with their arcs.
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Yeah that’s what I’m saying. If y’all want to make a separate profile for this, go ahead. I disagree with a lot of stuff on the RWBY profiles anyway. But the calcs should be legit
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They've literally explained what they mean by canon-adjacent and its not this wiki's definition.
Its canon-adjacent in the way its exploring RWBYs in-character feelings about the events of V8-V9, but the events of the movie did not actually happen in mainline.
Again, please dont even try to push the agenda that this will scale for mainline RWBY. Cause i know it'll be taken and ran with
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That just means people with agree with it and see the logic lol. It’s not deciving people if you just lay out the facts
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Like i think we're on the same page here hopefully, but i genuinely have to make sure, cause this wiki has seriously thought the RWBY x DC crossovers beforehand were all canon and gave canon feats for the mainline series (They did not).
Thank god we've established that by now but if people are really gonna wanna discuss this movie for its power scaling, then separate profiles should be made for the crossover variations and not at all integrated into the main profiles
Thank god we've established that by now but if people are really gonna wanna discuss this movie for its power scaling, then separate profiles should be made for the crossover variations and not at all integrated into the main profiles
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Sure. What would Watts and Kilgore’s energy feat yield? Or can that even be calced?
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I’ll submit to that for now. I genuinely think bomb scaling should be legit tho. Along with taking Salem down from Large Island due to us never seeing her actually raise the geyser herself.
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Its purely about writing and is a way for them to hopefully practise with how they'll handle them in V10. Its not canon to the characters' powers and these events will not influence the main story whatsoever.
Unless they throw that all away and mention the movie in the main series (they should not do this)
