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RWBY: Light Speed Upgrade
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The more I research into this stuff, the more I see that Penny's lasers HAVE to be powered by lightning dust instead of just hard light dust. If it was just hard light, then it would have no electrons to ramp up the photons and fire off the beams. It would just be like a flash light. With lightning dust, we get that excitement in the photons that produce the lasers.
This explains why, when Penny is charging up her lasers against Cinder in V8, she summons a lighting cloud behind her for an extra boost. She wants to ramp up the photons in her laser so that it'll have the most impact.
This explains why, when Penny is charging up her lasers against Cinder in V8, she summons a lighting cloud behind her for an extra boost. She wants to ramp up the photons in her laser so that it'll have the most impact.
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If their using lightning dust to speed up then the charge gets brought to the same amount of lightning, not light, and extra boosts will only really cause it to charge faster and there to be more of it.
Also that would just make it lightning speed? However I’m sure that’s also much more uniform for a this verse which commonly uses lightning for its speed feats.
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No you misunderstand me. The lighting charges the protons, which then allows them to go at lightspeed. It’s like putting gas into a rocket ship. The ship isn’t going to go at the speed of gas. Its gonna go much faster
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That’s how electricity works period
The problem with this is that photons aren’t excited by electrons in the same way that you’re proposing.
The flashlight doesn’t produce the light because of the electrons on principal, it’’s created because the metal (typically tungsten) glows when electricity runs through it. It is not, a direct result of the electricity’s energy, it’s a by product, like how banging flint and steel together makes heat and sparks
How you’re proposing it, the electrons would be what’s firing alongside the photons in a direction that the blasting device decides. This combination of electrons and photons (not protons, protons are in all atoms, even ours) is what creates the physical structure which is able to interact with and strike a target.
An object made of light does not have to travel at the speed of light in fiction. It sounds contradictory I know, but that seems to be the general rule
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The flashlight example was just something I came up with at the top of my head to show how electricity powers laser-like devices. All lasers are powered by electricity.
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Again, by focusing photons into a single point. Not by making a big rotating **** off laser.
Also these weapons are typically solar to electricity powered which might not seem like a big difference but it’s been proven to be far more efficient than electricity.
fair enough, but unless we get the full deep dive into her laser swords on a piece by piece level, I don’t expect it to be powered the same way ours are, making a comparison moot
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I mean that's just fiction at play. We can't expect every laser in fiction to work exactly the same.
My main point is that Atlas constantly uses lasers weapons, like on their ships in the video of V3 and V8 I posted above, Ironwood's cannon, or Penny's beams.
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She uses small lasers as well, not just a giant laser. Each of her swords fires its own individual laser
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Lowkey curious how stuff like Light Fang from Naruto got accepted as lightspeed when people are being this strict over lasers that have every property of light
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Cause Light Fang was stated to go at Light Speed.
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Where?
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In a databook.
Gonna have to ask a Naruto Fan which one though.
Gonna have to ask a Naruto Fan which one though.
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What, for Light Fang? If an attack is stated to be light speed in a factual sense, then there's no need to prove that it's a laser.
Light Fang isn't trying to prove it's a laser iirc since it has that databook statement.
Being called light speed isn't requirement, if an attack is stated to be that fast, then it's that fast.
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Fourth Databook, page 321
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Just in case, before anyone tries to bring it up, One Piece Lasers are also explicitly stated to be light speed in multiple sources.
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Thing is so are the lasers in RWBY yet people are pushing back against it
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So far, we have around three lasers in RWBY, all from Atlas. The airship lasers, Penny’s lasers, and Ironwood’s lasers.
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Are they? Because if they are explicitly called Light speed, then there shouldn't be any arguments against them.
Heck, they shouldn't have to qualify as real lasers if they're called light speed.
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They aren’t called lightspeed but are named lasers by knowledgeable sources in the series, Atlas scientists who have built Penny and gave her her weapons. And scientists would obviously know what a laser is and how fast it goes.
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Exactly! Yet here we are almost three pages in still having to convince people who are against the upgrade that theyre lightspeed
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From what it is, atleast from what I have and what @Cire themself has said, there is nothing official, nothing that even states that their hard light dust in the first place.
Something I’ll say is that I wouldn’t be surprised Ironwood’s cannon did fire an actual SoL Laser.
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The lasers use dust to project raw light as a laser. Penny is the only one who isnt outright confirmed to use light dust but still uses a mechanical laser and her lasers are stated to be the same as the lasers that use light dust, and velvet uses raw natural light to copy her lasers.
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The lasers in Atlas use dust to project raw light as a laser. Penny is the only one who isnt outright confirmed to use light dust but still uses a mechanical laser (which would still be lightspeed) and her lasers are stated to be the same as the lasers that use light dust, and velvet uses raw natural light to copy her lasers.
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Also, hard light isn’t a natural substance in the universe. Not like how fire, water, ground, lighting etc are. So, the base components of it have to be light, which are then made into hard light structures like those walls and scrolls. I still posit that Penny’s lasers are powered by lighting dust that allows her to kick start the process to stream lasers.
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From what I'm understanding it's "A (camera and a camera flash) is accepted as light speed and is powered by B (hard light dust), C (lasers) is also powered by B and uses said power to produce something similar to A (but lethal)" which is fine and I don't think should have much contention, but it's not really the same as "C (lasers) is stated to be light speed".
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Again, there just comes in the basic fact that lasers are just lightspeed. While they are not explicitly stated, the science behind them is good enough. It would be like if a character dodged a camera flash. We all know that the flash is light and this lightspeed, so there doesn’t need to be a flat out statement that says “Hey, that was lightspeed.”
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Of course, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that Weekly said that it was the same scenario, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
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Is there any other support for the characters being this fast? Because from what's been said in the thread, their next best feat is just Massively Hypersonic.
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C (Lasers) aren’t powered by B (hard light dust) in this scenario, they’re powered by D (lightning dust) because no one has proved they’re powered by B. Hence the discussion on lightning and photons (none of which is confirmed in verse and is pure speculation based solely on the statement of “laser” which I feel needs a lot more than just the word to claim everything being claimed)
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And again, I have to point to the source of the statement, a scientist. If like Ruby said “Woah. That was a laser!” I’d understand the contention. After all, she probably isn’t that into science. But this was a scientist who said that, a guy who knows about photons and such.
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