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RWBY: Light Speed Upgrade

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Kingofwolves999 said:
So Velvet is making a hard light projection of Penny’s beam. How does that prove anything about Penny’s beam being a hard light projection itself and not just energy? Energy dust exists too if I’m correct from Weiss’s rant in volume 1.
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No, she is projecting raw light with her copy of penny's beam as penny's beam does not have a physical projectile. And no, there is no such thing as 'energy dust'
 
Currently I am in disagreement with the thread based on Rusty's and King’s points above.
 
Also, I just want to say that even if Penny’s lasers aren’t powered by hard light dust, that doesn’t disqualify them. Actually, it would make more sense if they were powered by lighting dust since lasers are powered by electricity.
 
Cire said:
Also, I just want to say that even if Penny’s lasers aren’t powered by hard light dust, that doesn’t disqualify them. Actually, it would make more sense if they were powered by lighting dust since lasers are powered by electricity.
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Lowkey wondering if we'd be allowed to ask one of the writers on twitter, since Penny is dead its not like it would be a spoiler, just like, if Penny and her swords use Dust and if so, what kind
 
Cire said:
Also, I just want to say that even if Penny’s lasers aren’t powered by hard light dust, that doesn’t disqualify them. Actually, it would make more sense if they were powered by lighting dust since lasers are powered by electricity.
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I didn’t even bring that up tho.
WeeklyBattles said:
Lowkey wondering if we'd be allowed to ask one of the writers on twitter, since Penny is dead its not like it would be a spoiler, just like, if Penny and her swords use Dust and if so, what kind
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That’s fishing for an upgrade homie, don’t do that. You would be asking them that as evidence specifically for an upgrade, not a good look, even if the question is only upgrade-adjacent.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
That’s fishing for an upgrade homie, don’t do that. You would be asking them that as evidence specifically for an upgrade, not a good look, even if the question is only upgrade-adjacent.
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Is it though? I didnt say to ask if she uses hard light dust, just what kind in general as the Guidebook and RWBY wiki say she uses Dust but not what kind
 
Admittedly, I was this close to commissioning Miles Luna for a Cameo about LS stuff but stopped because I figured it was against the rules.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Penny's weapon, to my knowledge, isn't powered by Hard Light or Light Dust. As such the Velvet's thing don't connect to Penny's lasers.

Being stated to be a laser isn't good enough by itself. Or else the laser rule wouldn't exist in the first place. Having light technology isn't support for her lasers, the wiki requires such proof to be on the laser itself and not something else. Just because Velvet's camera produces light, doesn't mean Penny's laser is light.
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I mean, its not just that by itself, its all the other factors and attributes her lasers have, only moving in straight lines, generating heat and cutting material rather than generating force, being made of natural light, etc. And its not just Velvet's laser, its literally every other laser weapon in the verse.
TheRustyOne said:
Outside of possible laser feats and Penny's thing, which has no reason to scale to anything but her ability to think/perceive... Assuming it's works like that. There is really nothing else in RWBY that is on par with lightspeed. The fastest feat I'm seeing is Mach 380+, which is vastly below even Sub-Relativistic speeds.
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The issue with this train of logic is that Mach 380 comes from four seasons ago, and since then the cast has gone through two timeskip training arcs where they were noted to have gotten stronger and faster at the end of each. Thats like saying they cant be MHS because they only have bullet dodging feats in the Beacon Arc.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No, she is projecting raw light with her copy of penny's beam as penny's beam does not have a physical projectile. And no, there is no such thing as 'energy dust'
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Just a quick question but if Velvet is producing “raw light” from the copies of her weapon then wouldn’t that count as a disqualifying factor for it being light speed due to her constructs curving and such?
 
Maitreya said:
Just a quick question but if Velvet is producing “raw light” from the copies of her weapon then wouldn’t that count as a disqualifying factor for it being light speed due to her constructs curving and such?
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Not really no, the raw form of Hard Light Dust is natural light, which is what Velvet projects in the form of lasers, while her constructs are a processed state of Hard Light dust created by her weapon to make weapon copies, similar to how Hard Light Dust in its processed state is used to make barriers.

Its like how Fire Dust in its raw state just makes fire but when used as a bullet or bomb it makes an explosion. The raw state of Dust projects its natural element, the processed state alters that element and applies it for a specific use.
 
I’m still of the opinion that since atlas scientists know how light works and how it functions, that means that they know what a true laser entails and how fast that would be.
 
Furthermore, even though it bounces right back at Ironwood, Winter’s ice wall still reflects the beam. And as stated in the main CRT, ice, while not being as reflexive as water, is still so. If it was just a standard issue energy blast, then it would have just exploded on contact.
 
I mean, technically we have met two of the criteria for proving they are LS. A trustworthy source in universe that says they are real lasers and a reflection. Like, Atlas scientists have to know what photons are and what a laser does. Thus, when they call something a laser, they know full well what that entails. I brought up the cloaking devices not because it directly connects to Penny's lasers being LS, but because it shows that those scientists know how natural light works. Again, those descriptions are written in universe by a scientist working for the gaming company that runs Atlas Arena. And, to be fair, nowhere on the list of criteria for LS feats does it say that these statements have to have some extra proof. Just the statement is good enough if they are lightspeed. But, again, I point towards the reflection feat.
 
Cire said:
I mean, technically we have met two of the criteria for proving they are LS. A trustworthy source in universe that says they are real lasers and a reflection. Like, Atlas scientists have to know what photons are and what a laser does. Thus, when they call something a laser, they know full well what that entails. I brought up the cloaking devices not because it directly connects to Penny's lasers being LS, but because it shows that those scientists know how natural light works. Again, those descriptions are written in universe by a scientist working for the gaming company that runs Atlas Arena. And, to be fair, nowhere on the list of criteria for LS feats does it say that these statements have to have some extra proof. Just the statement is good enough if they are lightspeed. But, again, I point towards the reflection feat.
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This coupled with the other Atlas laser weaponry and the fact that Atlas is literally the father of Hard Light Dust and uses it in almost everything. If their standard laser weaponry uses it why would they leave it out of the person who was created with the sole purpose of being the city's defender, as well as said scientists referring to both her beam and the hard light beams of atlas weapons like the beam turret as the same kind of lasers
 
"Rusty brought up some good points; at least 2 or 3 of those 5 points should also have evidence. Though if the lasers are machine generated I suppose that can be point 1, but we need another point or 2."

Also, to quote Meduses, if the lasers are machine generated, that could count as a point. And we already have another point with the Atlas scientist statement.
 
Cire said:
"Rusty brought up some good points; at least 2 or 3 of those 5 points should also have evidence. Though if the lasers are machine generated I suppose that can be point 1, but we need another point or 2."

Also, to quote Meduses, if the lasers are machine generated, that could count as a point. And we already have another point with the Atlas scientist statement.
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They are machine generated, as well as the thing with Velvet's camera and the cameras in scrolls using hard light dust
 
Is it confirmed Penny’s lasers are pure hard light dust though? Has a scan for that been provided?
 
Maitreya said:
Is it confirmed Penny’s lasers are pure hard light dust though? Has a scan for that been provided?
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It doesn't have to be hard light dust for it to be true lasers. Lasers in the real world are powered by electricity anyway.
 
All we know about Penny's lasers are that they are powered by dust. In the companion book and wiki, it doesn't say which kind of dust it is.
 
Basically, it needs some sort of electricity to excite the photons, which then get channeled in one direction.
 
Maitreya said:
Is it confirmed Penny’s lasers are pure hard light dust though? Has a scan for that been provided?
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Its not, we just know that her weapons are powered by Dust and her lasers are considered by Atlas scientists (Scientists who pioneered the development of hard light dust based laser weapons) as being the same lasers as the ones employed by the weapons and technology of the atlas military, on top of the properties her lasers have which fall in line with the standards for lightspeed
 
Now that I think about it, I think it would make more sense for Penny's lasers to be powered by electricy dust instead of hard light dust, as that kind of power, which is natural, would exicte the photons.
 
Also, I think Atlas airships also shoot out straight energy beams too in v8 and possibly in v3
 
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The Atlesian Airship was a large military aircraft used by the Atlas Military. The Atlesian Airship was designed by the Atlas military in conjunction with the Schnee Dust Company, a testament to the Dust company's good relations with its kingdom's forces.[1] The airships are first seen in...
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Here on the RWBY wiki, it states that its armaments include laser batteries.



We can see them firing them at the 10:30 mark.


We see them again fire those lasers here at the 17:30 mark, using the same color too.

Again, this just adds another piece of evidence that Atlas knows what lasers are and how to use them.
 
Again, Atlas is quite literally stated in RWBY's lore to be the father of hard light dust, they are the only continent in the world that developed and utilizes laser weaponry
 
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