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Al creating the clouds used to create natural lightning and creating natural lightning are not meaningfully different, but even in the case that he just creates the conditions where lightning can be naturally produced, the only way you could argue this was an antifeat in any meaningful sense is if you assume that Al refused/was unable to increase the speed/interfere with naturally created phenomena with mana, which they is no evidence for or reason to believe
That's begging the question but ok dude, what's currently in question is whether or not those speed of lightning statements are meant to be legitimate determiners of speed rather than metaphoric language as how the term in japanese is typically used, you circling back to the initial claim that was already in question makes the argument circular.
Aside from this assuming that your earlier claim which is already in question is correct, Cecilus gains the title due to being compared to the flash of lightning, which is light speed if we want to take your conclusion to its logical end, furthermore, if Cecilus in EX4 who is massively weaker and slower than he is currently given that he is constantly training to reach the heavenly sword is capable of moving faster than lightning, why would a stronger one which we see in the Arakiya fight be the speed of lightning, unless is he faster and slower than lightning at the same time
Al would only be a reliable narrator if you could prove he could percieve Cecilus, which you can't, furthermore, your argument here is an argument from silence, we know that he creates the lightning naturally, that does not mean that he cannot manipulate it with mana, in the same way we see Arakiya and Al himself manipulate earth with mana that was already there
This is stated in Sword identity, the narrator comments that the way he lives his life is formless and impossible to keep up with, just like lightning, he is described to BECOME blue lightning, idk what you think either of those things would mean if the lightning comparison was speed based lol
It doesn't really matter if he's at his weakest, if Reinhard in the Sand Dunes is > Reid and current Cecilus which is stated, he should also be far, far stronger and faster than the Cecilus multiple years ago who got oneshot by him whilst only holding a piece of a broken blade
This just seems like you special pleading, if its stated she is composed of every element which makes up the world, which include beams of light, flames, earth, arguing that the lightning is somehow not identical to natural lightning is just you special pleading with no basis behind it, when we have far more evidence in favour of her actually creating the natural element
Prove that? Specifically for the light beams she shoots at Yorna and Priscilla.
This is not a response
This is an argument from silence, but on top of that, are you trying to argue that Adult and Kid Cecilus are both the same speed? When we see demonstrably that Cecilus has a ridiculous rate of growth in battle which goes from his speed being countered perfectly by Arakiya, to him straight up blitzing both her and Muspel at the same time which means he got a whole blitz level faster and is still deemed "lightning speed"
That's just arbitrary, just because Shaula uses a different type of magic doesn't now suddenly mean that they are different in the relevant sense here, you keep repeating that he doesn't create natural lightning, but that is not mutually exclusive with the claim being made, in the same way Balleroy doesn't make light from the sun, yet he is still capable of interferring with it using magic, that's sort of its whole thing, to defy the laws of nature and physics
Raisoku does not inherently mean lightning speed, again, you're taking the denotation rather than it's agreed on connotation for no reason aside from to ignore the massive amount of obviously light speed attacks and feats in the verse
You do know, that the author comparison to Cecilus makes your claim worse, because a holding back Cecilus is faster than lightning, and he consistently has feats and statements of moving faster than lightning, your case falls flat here.
Yes it takes him minutes to get to the moon and come back, the HIM being in reference there is the subject who is being sent to the moon and the subject who is coming back, that doesn't now mean that it ignores all outside context. If I said "It took him fifty minutes to get to the store and back," that doesn't now suddenly mean that it's excluding the outside context of say, traffic or someone getting in the way, you're delibrately ignoring context in the series which Subaru is referring to there for the sake of an agenda, Subaru LITERALLY sees Reinhard get thrown.
Thats the claim
And Garfiel thought Reinhard was a regular person when they met, like who cares what Rom, someone who is weaker than Felt, thinks about peoples strength levels LMAO
You're even confusing what effective means, Subaru says that in terms of speed the whip won't lose out to superhumans, but based off the fact that we already know weaker people can be innacurate about guaging strength levels, on top of the fact that we see his whip blatantly not be effective against the superhumans of the world, combined with statements that Roy and Emilia can casually catch it without even trying/barehanded, it's obvious that it's just Subaru talking out of his ass there, hence, unreliable narrator.
I'm gonna ignore a good portion of this because again, it could just be interpreted as Subaru's own hubris towards the situation due to finally getting a weapon to actually combat superhumans with and doing lots of training for it, but you're misunderstanding the claim, YOU said that saying it's faster than sound implies relevancy, it's up to YOU to prove that implication is present, saying things like "it's obvious," or "just read" aren't evidence, they just intuition pump
Also, no, it's a flash of death because it's invisible, its range is unknown AND that the opponent is blinded by the flames that Yae chucked at her on screen (the text saying it's her fastest attack is removed from the LN btw) but the only time Emilia and Rem see it is with the ice mist, Yae does her Iai when there is no confirmed ice mist, twice, so idk what to tell you. Furthermore, it's her fastest SWING, not her fastest technique, here's the LN btw, translate it if you want to.
This thread should be closed again because I already plan on doing a major speed revision for the series as well as getting a couple of mistranslations fixed and approved by the mods, but you should really do better Tayman, this is silly stuff.
(unless i missed some of them? :d)
