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RWBY Discussion thread 2

I mean

It takes literally 20 minutes out of your day to see one episode and you can just judge for yourself.

Though for the most part, Damage is not wrong on the writing.
 
Maybe if shows like Hero Aca and Land of the Lustrous didn't exist, but at this point I don't see anything that rwby is doing that other shows aren't doing infinitly better.
 
@Shadow

Well, maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I did enjoy some of the character growth seen with Weiss and some of Volume 3's and 4's fights were quite good. Some characters remain enjoyable like Qrow, but I will admit that I'm not especially invested in many of the characters (I do like Oscar's character design appearance-wise, even if he has little agency narrative-wise).

But the volumes are very exposition heavy and a lot of the unique characterization has been lost in the series's attempt to transition from light-hearted to serious.

I can't wholeheartedly recommend it, but I wouldn't call it utterly unwatchable either.
 
vol 5 is Reppuzan said:
@Shadow
Well, maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I did enjoy some of the character growth seen with Weiss and some of Volume 3's and 4's fights were quite good. Some characters remain enjoyable like Qrow, but I will admit that I'm not especially invested in many of the characters (I do like Oscar's character design appearance-wise, even if he has little agency narrative-wise).

But the volumes are very exposition heavy and a lot of the unique characterization has been lost in the series's attempt to transition from light-hearted to serious.

I can't wholeheartedly recommend it, but I wouldn't call it utterly unwatchable either.
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from what ive seen is that the general consensus vol 5 is bad?

as the last time i watched Rwby was late 2014, early 2015
 
Eh, to me, Season 5 was the best plot wise. Seaon 4 was bland to me. Too much melodrama, not enough plot progression.
 
the general consensus of rwby fans is that vol 5 is bad, but generally it's all pretty mediocre. there are some good moments in vol. 3. I wouldnt waste my time on vol. 4 or 5.
 
People overblow the writing. If you dont dwell too much on the story its quite enjoyable,and there has been some examples of great writing (roman's speech at the end of vol. 3 being an example). There are memorable moments in 4 and 5 so its not like it isnt worth watching, and the vol 6 character short shows good promise for the action. Also, the general consensus on volume 5 is that its good, its just the worst volume for some people. In all the polls ive seen, volume 5 is rated the worst, but there is still more people that liked it than didnt. (Like a 75/25 or 80/20 ratio.)
 
Still don't understand why people thought volume 5 was bad. Yes, it didn't have flashy fight scenes like 1-3, but overall, I felt like it was a breath of fresh air. Things were finally starting to move along, the gears were set in motion. 1-3 to be quite honest, had no story whatsoever and was pretty much filler before we got season 4 and 5.
 
> Things were finally starting to move along, the gears were set in motion.

Are you joking? Team RNJR, Qrow and Oscar sat in a house for almost an entire volume.
 
You know what my favourite par of Avengers: Age of Ultron was? Not Ultron. Not the the flashy fight scenes. And definitely not the romance between Bruce and Widow. No, my favourite part was when they were all chilling in Avengers tower and being buds. That's what we didn't get before Volume 5. Show me once, where we were given chemistry between Ozpin and anyone. Anyone. When he fought Cinder and died, was I supposed to feel anything? He had no buildup to his deah, no backstory whatsoever. Why the heck were they even fighting? Where are character motivations? Why is Neo relevant?

Volume 5 fixed all that. And I am glad it exists.
 
If by move along you mean they were physically moving to a new location then sure i guess you could say that. The story they are currently making sounds like a bog standard J-RPG. Cute girl and her friends travel around the world to stop the big bad lady from getting the four magic maguffins because she's bad. Why is the lady bad, I don't know. What do the maguffins do, I dont know. why wasn't any of this told to the audience before hand so that it doesn't feel like a shoehorned in mess, i don't know.
 
Volume 5 certainly didn't fix all of the past errors of writing that went on.

And it certainly isn't good writing to just have a character dump exposition while at the same time Ruby refuses to ask about her damned Silver Eyes and their importance. Ozpin and Qrow have no reason to be holding back any relevant information from them at this point.
 
You don't know because they din't tell you since volume 1, which was my gripe from the beginning. Volume 1, 2, and 3 did - and I mean this quite literally - nothing. Why were they giving us lore episodes telling us about the world itself? What show does that? Stopping the entire plot of the show just to tell us how Dust works and where it comes from. Qrow did that without a lore episode in Volume 4 when he explained the God Brothers. That's how good writing is supposed to be done.

Say what you want about volume 5. Yes, it's a bit of a mess. Yes, it's still missing a lot of details. But to me, volume 5 was really when the show actually started.
 
When a show takes 5 volumes to get truly started, that seems to me like the writers have no idea what they're doing.
 
Good writing is weaving your exposition into the narative not dumping a bunch of text on my head to make up for lost time. the fact that vol. 1, 2, and 3 have no story on exacerbates that problems in vol. 4 and 5, because so much time now has to be devoted to world building and expaining to people what is going on we miss out on the character development that should be happening during these two volumes. Jaune gets a little bit in vol. 4, but it's never acted on so it might aswell not exist. Ren's whole "arc" with the Grimm starts and finishs in vol. 4 so it basically ammounts to nothing. I don't even remember Oscars character being developed past being Ozpin's body suit so that should tell you how effective it was.

To your Avengers example, you like the character interactions and byplay between the Avengers, but the only people in rwby who do that well and Qrow, Winter, Roman. Roman is dead, Winter doesn't appear at all, Qrow is surroned by bad characters so all the interations feel forced.
 
@Sir Ovens

I'm not really sure if that's a particularly great example, all of the characters in Age of Ultron barring Hawkeye had already had a great amount of development beforehand, especially Cap who was coming off Winter Soldier

RWBY has characters that aren't even fully devoloped yet and lack the growth for us to care and really like them.
 
The point I was trying to make was that Volume 5 was finally making an effort to give the characters development. Things are explained, freindships are more heartfelt, and character interactions don't feel forced. Drunk Qrow realizing that Oscar was Ozpin was hilarious. Also, I don't know about you guys, but I freaking love Oscar as a character. His whole concept is actually interesting, and would make for interesting character development later on. That is, if they don't screw it up. The pain Emerald felt when she lost Cinder was actually felt, and not like "Oh no... She's dead now..." Yang showing intelligence for once. Jaune evolving thanks to a tramatic experience.

I could go on and on about why Volume 5 is the best volume. But it essentially boils down to:

This should have been Volume 1 from the beginning.
 
Point

By the way, speaking of Cinder, I actually met Jessica Nigri at the Comicon here in Mass, I gotta say, she ain't bad

Off topic again, can someone recalc the Dragon Feat with the new size
 
Drunk Qrow being good can be tossed up to Vic being a good voice actor and doing the seen well, the writers have already messed up Oscar's character development by not showing the audience the seen in which Ozpin convinced Oscar to go on this journey in the first place so I have no confidence they will do anything worth while with him. The scene where Emerald realizes Cinder died is neutered by her summoning a wacky waving inflatible arm flaling salem to "scare" everyone. Jaune's tarma is never acted upon hell its barely brought up and doesn't seem to effect his behavior in any meaningful way. What exaclt did Yang do that was intelligent?
 
Oh look talking about the quality of RWBY!

Vol 1: Mediocre Plot with heartfelt characters, charming world, bad animation (except fights), badass music (arguably the best thing out of RWBY in general), and funny/cute/enjoyable.

Vol 2: Average Plot, still heartfelt and enjoyable characters, charming in general, badass fights, better animation (except for absolutely God awful run animation of Cinder on a roof......seriously that was bad), still amazing music, and funny/cute/enjoyable.

Vol 3: Plot makes Volumes 1 and 2 completely worth it and connects them wonderfully (after seeing Vol 3 Vol 1 and 2 become sooooo much better), slightly less badass fights (some not all, still very high tier), music remains spectacular, animation is again greatly improved (still not good obviously), and still very charming (and if you are very attached to the characters this will be the best Volume).

Vol 4: Best in terms of plot and story telling (yes it is despite being slow), fights are hit or miss but also has one of the greatest fights in RWBY along with the worst fight in RWBY, MUCH BETTER ANIMATION, the music will never stop being amazing apparently, and has lost most of its charm (what made Vol 1-3 enjoyable as a cute show is mostly lost). Still my favorite Volume though (Weiss MVP from here on out though).

Vol 5: 50/50, some awesome story moments followed with some awful story moments with cool fights that are interrupted or downright ignored (one of the best fights in RWBY is here but also some of the most awkward confrontations ever), the music is the saving grace as always (Jeff is a musical genius), pretty much all the charm of Vol 1-3 is again lost and likely will never come back, animation is again much improved however characters will feel robotic at times, and the Volume has some very cliche moments. I do not dislike this volume however I deeply hate portions of it (also Weiss literally became tied for my favorite character along with Qrow).

Apparently Miles and Kerry hadn't finished writing the script for Volume 5 when it started airing so I'd argue that was a major factor along with them blowing their budget and time on the three character shorts (which had great fights and good story telling).

All in all my favorite part of RWBY was seeing how something tiny blew up into what it is today, the fandom was awesome (pretty toxic nowadays though), and the music deserves all the recognition ever
 
If I had to say my opinions quality wise:

Volume 1: Bad voice acting, no real intresting plot, bad animation. The fights are good tough.

Volume 2: Same as above, but slightly better.

Volume 3: Much better plot, much worse animation (there were two fights that were good, but everything else was horrible). I really disliked the bad guys and the fodderization of grimm. Made Volume 1 and 2 better, but the maidens did feel badly made (they did make it up without much toughts about them)

Volume 4: Plot is better, tough I hated the brothers story with a passion. The animations are better too, but the new grimm was disapointing, and the fights have so many errors.

Volume 5: Tried so hard, and got so far... but in the end, it doesn't even matter. Worldbuilding died with the brothers for me, but the school felt empity, nothing intresting happened until the last episodes, and the lack of strategy, cuts from fights and raven's stupid stupid logic (not only her not realizing that taking the relic would make her more likely to die, but so many ways she could have got them without all these problems.)


Overall, I enjoyed the first 3 Volumes, I felt sligthly bored through most of volume 4, and disliked volume 5 for its many flaws.

Aperantly, season 6 will be better, so we'll see.
 
@Ricsi

Two questions:

1. Only two good fights in Volume 3? Nah. Qrow vs Winter, Emeral and Mercury vs Coco and Yatsuhashi, Yang vs Mercury,Penny vs Pyrrha, and Ozpin vs Cinder were absolutely awesome. Ironwood vs Beowulf was cool, Cinder and team vs Amber was also cool, and Pyrrha vs Cinder was pretty good.

The rest were meh but definitely not only two good fights.

2. What do you dislike about the God Brothers? Just curious.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Jaune evolving thanks to a tramatic experience.
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Jaune hasn't evolved at all. He's still a whiny bitch who can't hit an opponent who's kneeling on the ground immobilized in front of him, but hey at least he can make air shoot from his sword now!

It can't be adequately conveyed just how much Midoriya is a better version of Jaune in pretty much every category.
 
Just asking

Nope

@Arrogant Schmuck I blame Vol 5 in general for that......let's just excuse that until something more proper comes up. In Vol 4 he took control and the charge against the Nuckaleeve so there's that, Cinder was a very sore spot on him though.
 
To sum it up, the official map of Beacon Academy actually gives a more accurate and much larger size of the mountain the Grimm Dragon broke out

I'm expecting something good....
 
Niiiiiceeee. Also I would love to have that Dragon appear again. Also would love to see how Beacon is in general with the whole "frozen" thing but honestly I think it might more frozen in time or something odd because Tai was hesitant when describing how the Dragon was. Maybe it'll get unfrozen (or just a different Dragon shows up whatever).

Regardless that Dragon came from Mountain Glen which was a city that turned into a grave for thousands of people which equals massive amounts of negativity. What other places of massive negativity are there for another Grimm of that scale to appear from?
 
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