Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Wankbreaker]

And the fact that you’ve crucified me repeatedly for "falsely" accusing you as if it were true meanwhile you don't even translate your own scans or proofread them is just outright hilarious. Wonder how the hell you became one. I'm still gonna go through all your other translations as I have a bit more time now to proofread them because as it seems, your opinions can't be trusted as a translator.

You’ve purposefully inflated the issue from one unchecked translation, to now assuming that all of mine aren’t translated, proofread.

 

[Wankbreaker]

To clarify, AdmirerofShiki and Cokesakto both made separate translations of the same scene?

Cokesakto translated the entire novel, but has been called out for heavily editing Nasu’s prose, and adding entire paragraphs which did not exist in the original text.

 

[KingNanaya]

The claim is that Wankbreaker is "intentionally being biased" when using allegedly incorrect translations.

the point of my comment was to show that @Tdjwo wasn't saying that he translated something wrong, but that he used a translation that was wrong. That was all.

 

[Agnaa]

Since the substance of the matter is important, I've had a look at the raws, and posed a question to Wankbreaker about them in the relevant CRT.

 

[Agnaa]

From what I'm seeing, @Wankbreaker just posted "a" translation of some scene. Wankbreaker says that they received the translation from a third party. Wankbreaker says they did not have access to the original raw text to personally translate it.

Firestorm, can you (or anyone else) provide the source for this claim? Having a quick scroll through both of these threads I can't find it, but I admittedly haven't checked everywhere.

Since, if true, there would be no real possibility for wrongdoing.

 

[KingNanaya]

Firestorm, can you provide the source for this claim? Having a quick scroll through both of these threads I can't find it, but I admittedly haven't checked everywhere.

Since, if true, there would be no real possibility for wrongdoing.

1. Not even my translation, as you can easily tell by reverse searching it. ( I usually bundle my translations up with the raw text, something I didn’t have access to at this time)

This part, I believe

 

[Firestorm808]

Firestorm, can you (or anyone else) provide the source for this claim? Having a quick scroll through both of these threads I can't find it, but I admittedly haven't checked everywhere.

Since, if true, there would be no real possibility for wrongdoing.

Here you go.

Already addressed this earlier,but that quote in particular

1. Not even my translation, as you can easily tell by reverse searching it. ( I usually bundle my translations up with the raw text, something I didn’t have access to at this time)

2. Any perceived “wrong-doing” is unintentional, as my mutual friend asked one of the people on the translation team AGAIN if everything was sufficiently proofread, and they responded by saying it was looked over multiple times by different people, and they didn’t see much error. (as shown in the screenshot)

3. Beasts Lair is usually extremely critical of translations,but no complaints were given in the thread where that translation was hosted. I felt no need to investigate further, especially since this Wiki’s nasuverse supporters already list it as a reliable source on the verse page. ( and Beast Lair members are extremely proflic on this end. Nearly every nasuverse fantranslator is a member of that forum)

I already did my due diligence.

 

[Wankbreaker]

The screenshot of one of my mutual friends asking the proofreader about the vetting process was posted earlier in this thread,btw.

 

[Agnaa]

In that case, I think this is plainly viewable as an oversight unrelated to Translation Helper duties.

Translation Helpers aren't obligated to personally check every scan they post from a series they could translate; they're only obligated to personally check when they claim to have done so, even if implicitly by response to a translation request without qualifying with something like "I found this translation someone else did online".

So yeah, just posting a scan from a different decently-reputable translator should not be taken as a stamp of approval, and so, this translation falling short in that regard isn't a mark against Wankbreaker. It's just a reason to be diligent about this sort of thing in general.

Hell, even some very reputable stuff often ends up with tiny mistakes that have big effects on battleboarding efforts. Care with this sort of thing is good, but not something we'd rigidly mandate with demotions over stuff like this.

 

[DragonZeroNova]

I know uninvolved people aren't supposed to make a comment here, but I don't think it's very fair to say "Wankbreaker stated it wasn't their translation already" when he made this comment AFTER tdjwo had made his comment about the translation. This would imply that Wankbreaker had stated that it was not his translation, then tdjwo made his claims when in reality, tdjwo made his claims first, then Wankbreaker stated it was not his translation in the first place, which wasn't information that existed when tdjwo did his report.
I'm not saying that Wankbreaker has done anything rvr worthy, but it's somewhat unfair to tdjwo since it's likely he didn't know this was not Wankbreaker's translation when making the claims he did and had Wankbreaker stated in his original comment that this was not his translation, this whole debacle may have been avoided.

 

[Agnaa]

I know uninvolved people aren't supposed to make a comment here, but I don't think it's very fair to say "Wankbreaker stated it wasn't their translation already" when he made this comment AFTER tdjwo had made his comment about the translation. This would imply that Wankbreaker had stated that it was not his translation, then tdjwo made his claims when in reality, tdjwo made his claims first, then Wankbreaker stated it was not his translation in the first place, which wasn't information that existed when tdjwo did his report.
I'm not saying that Wankbreaker has done anything rvr worthy, but it's somewhat unfair to tdjwo since it's likely he didn't know this was not Wankbreaker's translation when making the claims he did and had Wankbreaker stated in his original comment that this was not his translation, this whole debacle may have been avoided.

True, but I'd more put that on Tdjwo jumping the gun. We shouldn't expect Translation Helpers to label every single scan they could've translated but didn't.

For what it's worth, I don't think Tdjwo should receive any sort of punishment for his actions here, from what I've seen.

 

[Wankbreaker]

True, but I'd more put that on Tdjwo jumping the gun. We shouldn't expect Translation Helpers to label every single scan they could've translated but didn't.

He was told about this a couple of days ago in my discord server,just an FYI

 

[Firestorm808]

I know uninvolved people aren't supposed to make a comment here, but I don't think it's very fair to say "Wankbreaker stated it wasn't their translation already" when he made this comment AFTER tdjwo had made his comment about the translation. This would imply that Wankbreaker had stated that it was not his translation, then tdjwo made his claims when in reality, tdjwo made his claims first, then Wankbreaker stated it was not his translation in the first place, which wasn't information that existed when tdjwo did his report.
I'm not saying that Wankbreaker has done anything rvr worthy, but it's somewhat unfair to tdjwo since it's likely he didn't know this was not Wankbreaker's translation when making the claims he did and had Wankbreaker stated in his original comment that this was not his translation, this whole debacle may have been avoided.

Again, use of an inaccurate translation can happen time to time. That's not an issue.

The issue I see is the unfounded accusation of bias as a translator.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I just know that there's been beef between these two for a while, as Tdjwo believes Wankbreaker to be heavily downplaying Nasuverse while Wankbreaker believes the opposite of Tdjwo. Problem, though, is that this is seeping into unfounded accusations that seem to be made out of a belief that these translations are being made to further push this "downplaying agenda." I'm not gonna act like I think things are all fine and dandy on the other side (like, I think coming in naming yourself "Wankbreaker" is just an unnecessary display of arrogance imo) but that's not really relevant to this case

If there's hard evidence of Wankbreaker manipulating translations, that's one thing. But if not, I'd say that's a rule violation on Tdjwo's part. It's attempted defamation, within the scope of the wiki, pretty much

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I just know that there's been beef between these two for a while, as Tdjwo believes Wankbreaker to be heavily downplaying Nasuverse while Wankbreaker believes the opposite of Tdjwo. Problem, though, is that this is seeping into unfounded accusations that seem to be made out of a belief that these translations are being made to further push this "downplaying agenda." I'm not gonna act like I think things are all fine and dandy on the other side (like, I think coming in naming yourself "Wankbreaker" is just an unnecessary display of arrogance imo) but that's not really relevant to this case

If there's hard evidence of Wankbreaker manipulating translations, that's one thing. But if not, I'd say that's a rule violation on Tdjwo's part. It's attempted defamation, within the scope of the wiki, pretty much

The question, then, becomes to what extent we wish to dissuade people from reporting staff members, if it can be interpreted as an attack. Obviously such things can be weaponized, and in the case of random beef between these two it lends itself to that interpretation, but consider the opposite end: if it was found that Wank had done the things he is accused of, then we would consider it a boon on Tdjwo's part. From where I sit, it seems possible, if not plausible, that Tdjwo is overzealous in his squabbling with Wank, and in that state of mind can legitimately see what to all of us appears as an honest error as an attempt at manipulation.

Now, this still remains an unfavorable state of affairs- we don't want users who don't like particular staff members constantly looking for anything that might be interpreted as foul play and using it to cause trouble, knowingly or otherwise. We don't want to encourage random witch hunts.

I say all of this to explain my thoughts. My opinion on whether to consider this a rule violation: I dislike the idea for this first infraction, acknowledging that WB did nothing wrong (I dislike typing his full name and yet shortening it isn't actually very good either). If it is widely agreed that it is a rule violation in that he was overeager to find fault in WB that he overstepped and made a mountain out of a mole hill, I think at best it would be a formal warning.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Well, my recommendation is that rather than bringing it up in a public thread (which is what led to him being reported), I'd have encouraged Tdjwo to report WB to HR if he felt so strongly about this. That way, it could be handled in a more controlled manner as opposed to exploding as it has now.

As for the status of it being a rule violation, I think it's pretty clear that it is, but the point of contention is more what to do in response to it - due to the factors at play, as you've mentioned. I'd be okay with a formal warning

 

[StrymULTRA]

Going back to Robo though? 3 staff agreed with a Thread Creation ban, but that wasn't applied yet

 

[Robo432343]

He doesn't seem to be aware that he's doing bad fights over and over, and he's seemimgly uncapable of understanding why he's making stomps or how to make debatable fights.

this is not true
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

i have been making matches that are not stomps and have improved

you are the one who should be reported for lying about me because you keep saying shit like i have been making bad fights over and over when this is not true at all

 

[StrymULTRA]

this is not true
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

i have been making matches that are not stomps and have improved

you are the one who should be reported for lying about me because you keep saying shit like i have been making bad fights over and over when this is not true at all

Convince them, not me.

If this is a common thing for Robo to constantly make versus threads without actually reading the pages and keeps making stomp matches over and over again, I guess a short thread ban could be in order.

I don't mind a thread ban if this is common. And, while anecdotal, this seems to be the case from my experience.

While it is not the focus of our forum, versus threads are a focus for many users. Therefore, it is a hefty action to take to ban one from making them, acknowledging he can theoretically still participate in them. Conversely, in Robo's case, there seems to be a continuing trend of 'em, sufficient enough to call a trend. His post seems at least partly true, in that he consistently does output decent matches as well, but given the duration of time that it's gone on, it may be best to issue a relatively short ban on making new versus threads, with the hope that he'll be more careful later.

I want to note that I do not believe we would be within our rights to fully thread or topic ban the man: he should still be allowed to vote on and discuss versus threads, as these are not the topic of issue.

 

[Robo432343]

Convince them, not me.

no im convincing you
because you are the one reporting me for making bad matches even though this has been something i have been working on and trying to improve on

reporting me for the one thing that i have been trying to improve on is straight up cruel

 

[Robo432343]

Funny that you're not replying to @Chariot190 or @Baken384 who added more evidence

i literally replied to chariot about this
wdym "i can't do anything?"
what you can do is admit that you were wrong about this
see now you're just going to stay quiet and not reply to this message

 

[Baken384]

i literally replied to chariot about this
wdym "i can't do anything?"
what you can do is admit that you were wrong about this
see now you're just going to stay quiet and not reply to this message

Dude, quit being so obnoxious and acting like a victim that you don't know you were making "Spite" Matches. In the thread, you made the most obvious Spite Match with Diavolo vs Hit

Once it gained interactions due to how dumb it is, you proceed to change it with another spite match, you changed the match how many times already

"Calm down im cooking something special." Yeah bro, you know you were posting rat matches from the start

 

[Robo432343]

Once it gained interactions due to how dumb it is, you proceed to change it with another spite match, you changed the match how many times already

yeah i realized how bad the match was and tried changing the matches in hopes that they were NOT stomps
but they still ended up being stomps as chariot explained in the thread
you calling me obnoxious even though you're the one trying to report me for something that i have been trying to improve on

i am not trying to make stomp matches on purpose wtf dude???

 

[Baken384]

yeah i realized how bad the match was and tried changing the matches in hopes that they were NOT stomps
but they still ended up being stomps as chariot explained in the thread
you calling me obnoxious even though you're the one trying to report me for something that i have been trying to improve on

i am not trying to make stomp matches on purpose wtf dude???

Your action with Hit vs Diavolo says otherwise Mr “everyone calm down im cooking something special then proceeds to make spite matches after farming interaction”

 

[Robo432343]

Your action with Hit vs Diavolo says otherwise Mr “everyone calm down im cooking something special then proceeds to make spite matches after farming interaction”

what???
I mean yeah i said that because i thought the hit vs diavolo match was a good match but i realized how stupid it was because of your messages in the thread.
And then i tried making more Jojo matches but Chariot explains how they are stomps every single time but i didn't know they were stomps so i stopped making jojo matches
before this happened, i have been making matches that were not stomps at all and they were actually good match-ups.

 

[StrymULTRA]

yeah i realized how bad the match was

Ah yes, somehow, Diavolo, a Tier 8 character who doesn't have any durability negation hax, is a good fight for Hit, who is several infinities above him in both AP and Dura.

How dumb do you think we are?

 

[Robo432343]

Ah yes, somehow, Diavolo, a Tier 8 character who doesn't have any durability negation hax, somehow is a good fight for Hit, someone who is several infinities above him in both AP and Dura.

i thought making the match was okay because it is thematic and thought diavolo had time erasure abilities and hax as a wincon, i have been been seeing so much media and debates around the fight so i thought why not give it a try

i literally changed the fight because people were talking about how much of a stomp it is

 

[StrymULTRA]

and thought diavolo had time erasure abilities as a wincon

Literally seeing the profile tells you that's not that great of an ability against characters absurdly stronger than him.

Again, do you think we're this dumb, or are you completely incapable of comprehending what's a stomp?

 

[Antvasima]

Just a note that I agree with Agnaa about that Wankbreaker should not be punished, and with bambu about that a standard warning should be sufficient for Tdjwo. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Shadow-Ragna]

i thought making the match was okay because it is thematic and thought diavolo had time erasure abilities and hax as a wincon, i have been been seeing so much media and debates around the fight so i thought why not give it a try

i literally changed the fight because people were talking about how much of a stomp it is

Sorry I have to jump in...even if you think that, if you see the profiles you would see differently. Or you could look around and ask people who scale JoJo to get an insight of Diavolo just in case.

But still Hit outscales Diavolo in every way and I am surprised you thought this was a good match?

At least when I started making MUs I learned from stop making stomp matches.

 

[Robo432343]

Literally seeing the profile tells you that's not that great of an ability against characters absurdly stronger than him.

Low Hax vs Higher AP matches have happened like this one, this one, this one, this one so i thought it could work here
but the match i made just happened to be a stomp
please dude

 

[Antvasima]

Regarding the possible thread ban issue, please stop spamming posts here, so our staff members can get sufficient time to evaluate.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Low Hax vs Higher AP matches have happened like this one, this one, this one, this one so i thought it could work here
but the match i made just happened to be a stomp
please dude

"Low Hax" how is Time Erase a hax

 

[Robo432343]

Regarding the possible thread ban issue, please stop spamming posts here, so our staff members can get sufficient time to evaluate.

Ant please i have to say something or else everyone is going to think i make stomp matches on purpose even though that is not true
i dont want anyone thinking this

 

[Robo432343]

"Low Hax" how is Time Erase a hax

I meant high hax vs high ap
my bad

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ant please i have to say something or else everyone is going to think i make stomp matches on purpose even though that is not true
i dont want anyone thinking this

Nobody is saying you do on purpose.

Just that you're incapable of avoid doing stomps (even if not intentionally), so that you should be temporarily banned in order for you to think more about it and actually learn.

 

[Robo432343]

Nobody is saying you do on purpose.

look

Ah yes, somehow, Diavolo, a Tier 8 character who doesn't have any durability negation hax, is a good fight for Hit, who is several infinities above him in both AP and Dura.

How dumb do you think we are?

Your action with Hit vs Diavolo says otherwise Mr “everyone calm down im cooking something special then proceeds to make spite matches after farming interaction”

Just that you're incapable of avoid doing stomps (even if not intentionally), so that you should be temporarily banned in order for you to think more about it and actually learn.

i have improved in not making matches that are stomps and have made so many matches in a row which were not stomps
it was just yesterday that the 'make matches that are not stomps' streak ended
yesterday was just a bad day of me making bad matches

 

[Antvasima]

There are too many posts here from regular members regarding this topic. Let's stop now please.

 

[Agnaa]

@Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer That question is better suited for a Q&A thread, due to there not really being an active rule violation that ought be stopped.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

@Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer That question is better suited for a Q&A thread, due to there not really being an active rule violation that ought be stopped.

Oh OK thanks for the info