Satou Kazuma (Konosuba) vs Subaru Natsuki (Re Zero)

[Robo432343]

Satou Kazuma

Satou Kazuma is the main protagonist of the light novel, anime, CD drama, and manga series Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku Wo!. Kazuma is a young man of average height and weight. He has short and slightly messy chestnut-brown hair and green eyes. His usual outfit consists of a gold-trimmed...

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Subaru Natsuki

Natsuki Subaru is the main protagonist of the Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu. He was a shut-in who was sent to a fantasy world. As a child, Subaru always idolized his father, and always felt the pressure of having to live up to being his father's son, his father was very friendly and...

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SBA
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[Robo432343]

@SatellaTheWoE

 

[Rez]

Kazuma's wincon is really just bfr cause of Beatrice, everything else is really useless maybe sleep manip has some uses too.

Subaru on the other hand has return by death and well Beatrice who I personally think outclasses kazuma on her own, sure instinctive reaction combined with supernatural luck and stealth can help but even in the best case scenario where kazuma manages to get rid of both Beatrice and Subaru, Subaru can just redo the whole thing but this time with better knowledge.

Voting for Subaru

 

[Robo432343]

I think kazumas 2-C teleport can help

 

[Fezzih_007]

Kazuma's wincon is really just bfr cause of Beatrice, everything else is really useless maybe sleep manip has some uses too.

Beatrice is optimal equipament, that Robo din't give to Subaru, so he don't have her.

 

[Rez]

Beatrice is optimal equipament, that Robo din't give to Subaru, so he don't have her.

Well then the wincons for kazuma are bind, bfr or sleep manip everything else just kills Subaru which just results in giving Subaru more time to think.

He can also use use a combination of create water and freeze to well freeze Subaru.

Drain touch might also work since he can drain all of Subaru's stamina making it so, he is unable to do anything.

Meanwhile Subaru's wincons are his social influence or just somehow coming up with a plan that deals with Subaru.

Don't know much about Subaru so don't know what's more likely to happen, will wait for a re zero fan

 

[Robo432343]

ok i think i should allow beatrice

 

[Rez]

If Beatrice is allowed my vote is for Subaru

 

[Fezzih_007]

Subaru Fra, Kazuma can't do nothing against Beatrice.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru fra, also Kazuma absolutely loses to SI and he isnt cruel enough to not hear Subaru out especially with the matching outfit

 

[Phoenks]

Stomp with Beatrice.

Without Beatrice, Subaru can't do much against an 8-C opponent who has many methods of incap and a BFF option.

However, SBA means they're in character, so Subaru just wins via social influencing. Kazuma is easy to influence, and Subaru's greatest strength is that.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Stomp with Beatrice.

Without Beatrice, Subaru can't do much against an 8-C opponent who has many methods of incap and a BFF option.

However, SBA means they're in character, so Subaru just wins via social influencing. Kazuma is easy to influence, and Subaru's greatest strength is that.

actually Subaru still has the massive speed difference making it super hard for kazuma to actually hit him

 

[VortechsTG]

actually Subaru still has the massive speed difference making it super hard for kazuma to actually hit him

Needs to be clarified that this is about attack and perception speed. Although, autododge should make up for this at first. Return by death would counter that against a normal opponent but I imagine Kazuma will use one of his non-lethal wincons very early on.

As is, Beatrice stomps though. At least if she weren't here it wouldn't be a stomp at all but probably a decisive victory for Kazuma simply because of speed equalization and just how much Kazuma relies on his bag of tricks rather than raw power.

 

[Robo432343]

ok lets not allow beatrice

 

[Phoenks]

Then I vote for Subaru via Social Influencing.

 

[Robo432343]

does kazuma have a way around social influencing with his supernatural luck

 

[Phoenks]

I don't see why his luck would do anything to prevent him from being turned into an ally.

 

[VortechsTG]

I think we need to establish how far back the checkpoint is

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think we need to establish how far back the checkpoint is

that really doesnt change much for this matchup?

 

[VortechsTG]

that really doesnt change much for this matchup?

It certainly changes the effectiveness of social influencing.

 

[Rez]

It certainly changes the effectiveness of social influencing.

Ah not really either kazuma goes for bind or freeze and immobilizes Subaru both are in character moves when up against human enemies or Subaru just social influences, the chances for kazuma to directly go for the kill aren't that high against a human enemy.

 

[VortechsTG]

Ah not really either kazuma goes for bind or freeze and immobilizes Subaru both are in character moves when up against human enemies or Subaru just social influences, the chances for kazuma to directly go for the kill aren't that high against a human enemy.

Subaru needs time for his social influencing to turn someone who's already against him to his side. It's not that simple. He's good at it but he doesn't magically cast a mind control spell. He needs time to figure out what will win them over. If the reset point is mid-fight there's no chance.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru needs time for his social influencing to turn someone who's already against him to his side. It's not that simple. He's good at it but he doesn't magically cast a mind control spell. He needs time to figure out what will win them over. If the reset point is mid-fight there's no chance.

why would it be mid fight? its usually before a fight starts iirc

 

[Phoenks]

Subaru needs time for his social influencing to turn someone who's already against him to his side. It's not that simple. He's good at it but he doesn't magically cast a mind control spell. He needs time to figure out what will win them over. If the reset point is mid-fight there's no chance.

Kazuma is talkative and is also a social influencer as one of his primary gigs. Not to mention, he, like Subaru, isn't really a combative person.

 

[VortechsTG]

why would it be mid fight? its usually before a fight starts iirc

That depends. Rbd changed past a certain point in the series and became loveless. The checkpoints have gone from being days before his death to seconds at times. There is a very wide range of difference in possible checkpoints. I assume naturally for the sake of the matchup that it's right before the fight but that wouldn't be enough time for his social influencing to matter.

 

[VortechsTG]

Kazuma is talkative and is also a social influencer as one of his primary gigs. Not to mention, he, like Subaru, isn't really a combative person.

Are we assuming that Subaru has significant prior knowledge of Kazuma then?

 

[Robo432343]

no

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

can we start counting the votes or is it a stomp