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Anyway, it is best if you all stop with the ongoing drama and false accusations here. I am very tired and overworked, don't have the time and energy to deal with it, and it is very inappropriate and incendiary in the first place.
 
Antvasima said:
have comparatively had to personally act as ongoing waste-baskets for people projecting and taking out their grievances over real world problems on most harmless unpaid fictional entertainment wiki managers, due to that we don't want to be perceived as tyrannical or create a too oppressive environment here.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that people's grievances with the site, and by extension it's moderation team isn't entirely based around grievances which have happened irl. Sure it's a small part but definitely not most, it's mostly based around people's observations of how certain mods act/abuse their power and how other moderators seem to downplay these actions through using argumentation like "They've been helpful for the wiki" or that "The wiki wouldn't currently exist without [insert mod here]". Which even other mods/former mods have pointed out.

So i'll have to humbly disagree with this assessment of people's contentions with the site, and say people have rightful anger about certain aspects which have happen and will continue to happen on this site if other moderation members don't put a stop to it.

But since you wish for us to not continue talking about this, this will be my final post on this matter. Just wanted to type this out since i believe it would spread a little bit more light on why people have grievances with this site and its moderation team.

Antvasima said:
Anyway, it is best if you all stop with the ongoing drama and false accusations here. I am very tired and overworked, don't have the time and energy to deal with it, and it is very inappropriate and incendiary in the first place.
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Get some rest my dude, hopefully that'll lessen the stress you're currently dealing with right now.
 
Well, what are we supposed to do? Go around continuously removing everybody who are willing and able to help us make sure that this site continues to function properly for comparatively minor reasons, simply because this is recurrently tiresome and frustrating work and they aren't always perfect in every way?

If there are legitimately serious infractions from staff we at least tend to try to take them seriously and evaluate if they warrant punishments, but I admit that there have been a few members, such as Impress and Matthew, that I likely protected too much due to that they were very helpful overall.

However, there have also been cases when regular members behaved in an outright vile and reprehensible manner toward staff as Charmander did earlier, and he still received 58 likes from regular members when doing so.

And most staff members just try to be helpful and do their jobs when evaluating threads, but this still recurrently gives rise to intense resentment, grudges, accusations, ingratitude, and extremely bad behaviour that is somehow perceived as entirely legitimate simply because it is directed towards unpaid volunteer workers, so there are definitively recurrent double-standards at play here. It isn't nearly as black and white as you or others try to paint it.

That said, I don't have the time and energy to continue to argue here, and this is not the right place for it in the first place. I would appreciate if other staff members here delete all further derailment in this thread regarding this topic.
 
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I don't want to typically involve myself in these threads but I feel like I need to address this:

If we are banning someone specifically for being toxic to specifically a staff member, and not anyone else- I will simply have to disagree with the notion. If it's just because he's being toxic in general without what it mattering the person, that makes sense.

In the hypothetical situation where it's specifically because a staff member is attacked, that suggests that some people are more important as people than another not just as members in the community but as humans in general. That may be true in terms of keeping the wiki functional, but if I got the same comment am I not allowed to say anything about because I'm "not important". We should be a community that is welcoming to others, the staff being protected by stronger punishments makes a situation where if the Staff member becomes corrupt and toxic, the normal user has no defense nor can they fight back because of power. We should all be talking to each others as equals, and treat each other as equals. When a dude gets attacked, we should all respond the same way regardless of WHO the victim is.

There's also the matter of the reason for attack. People don't say slanderous things without a reason, we're all humans- we're all suspectible to emotion. Emotions rile up for a reason, there must be some truth to the attackers words, exaggerated or not, much like how many beliefs and myths are forged by or around some sort of truth, or they won't say it at all. Saying that they're making up lies right away and their words are baseless and, in my opinion is borderline gaslighting, saying that their lying to themselves to make them attack another. No matter how angry, we shouldn't just jump the gun and just instantly ban them without question and not even consider their viewpoint because they don't have power or if they say it in a wrong way (such as an attack). As an example, many parents think they're always so much above their own children the don't even consider their opinion just because they were loud about it- they wouldn't listen to their children if they were quiet and polite either, because they think their own opinion is just so much superior, how does the child feel? They would have to speak loudly to at least have their opinion heard, but if they do that, we get a situation where they get punished not for the cause they feel like they're pursuing but the behavior of "being rude/toxic" instead.

Of course maybe I dont quite get something fundamental about society, so my suggestion can just be thrown out if needed. Afterall, out of the entire wiki I think I hate arrogance the most to the point where people live in my head all of the time every day of my life, including myself sometimes. I just feel like we need to understand that no one should have special privileges or protections and take every opinion for a matter seriously enough to at least consider even from the little guys with no staff power who want to voice themselves. It's just my viewpoint that I feel is important to share, even if it's just a mere inferior normal member's view
 
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We are banning people for being toxic in general, yes, but my point is that me, AKM, and likely many other staff members, have at least recurrently had to act as wastebaskets and be more lenient towards other members who severely misbehave towards us than if it had been against somebody else for my above-mentioned reasons of not wanting to create an environment that is perceived as oppressive, but even we have our upper limits, and it eventually turns tiresome to be neverending ongoing targets for the slightest mistake or imagined slight, simply because we have positions of responsibility here and try to handle them as well as we are able.
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
Are there any issues if I create a wiki account that doesn't have the same name as the forum account? I deleted my old account, but I want to put some effort and improve some profiles, but I can't use the old nickname. I heard this is against the rules so I'm posting here.

vsbattles.fandom.com

M3X Version 2.0

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
If it's to replace an account that was "permanently disabled via user choice" there is nothing against that rule. Though it may be preferable to change your xf username to match the Fandom account so that it be identical in that case.
 
Maybe you could update your wiki account to just be called "M3X 2.0" instead, after which I can update your username here accordingly?

You are only allowed a single username change in Fandom itself though.
 
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