Rin Type 5 Immortality

[ALRF]

We have this character having a type 5 immortality due to this quote

Which is just him literally not dying due to his ability to resurrects.

If there is no proof of him being above the concept of death, then it should be removed

 

[Kuularne]

idk wot else it is. he literally cant die in the game and it says in that 'journey will never come to an end' which implies death doesnt effect him.

 

[ALRF]

Because of his resurrection powers

 

[Kuularne]

isnt type 5 by that?

 

[ALRF]

No, it isn't.

 

[Kuularne]

then wot?

 

[ALRF]

I don't know what Immortality is this, but it sure is not Type 5

 

[Kuularne]

y isnt it btw?

 

[ALRF]

Because nothing implies him to be above the concept of death.

His quote of "Journey doesn't end" is due to his resurrection ability

 

[Kuularne]

its implying that death doesnt impact him, that hes higher than it.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

Going by what I said from the VSthread I was discussing the topic in, Rin should probably have immortality via consistent Resurrection or something. Since Rin can resurrect themselves by reincarnating into different bodies, which is Type 6 from my knowledge. Rin is also given a choice to either resurrect himself in the same body he died in if he didn't manage to achieve a specific goal in a life or to reincarnate into another body. I'm not very keen on what type of immortality it would be to resurrect in the same body, so I'm a bit bamboozled, too.

This resurrection ability also ties in with the paragraph as shown in the ending, which states that Rin's soul will travel onto the next life and onto the next, and that Rin's life is part of an enormous transmigration.

Type 5 is absurdly wanked, honestly. Rin, in his various incarnations, has gotten killed by natural causes to be simply resurrected.

So yeah, it is definitely resurrection, no doubts.

 

[Kuularne]

yh ik. rins not that durable himself. he gets killed by the ritual of time also and resurrects tho

 

[Kuularne]

it sounded close 2 type 5 for me so i put it as that

 

[ALRF]

It just means he has really really powerful resurrection ability

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

yh ik. rins not that durable himself. he gets killed by the ritual of time also and resurrects

Unless I'm mistaking this with something else, Ritual of time grants him longevity, which effectively negates his ability to reincarnate due to not being able to actually _die_ in that life due to age/starvation/other natural causes, which would incapacitate him, as shown in the video.

So, in short, he gained longevity and now he can't reincarnate, he didn't die, he just lacked the ability to do so in this scenario.

This would likely be a weakness - if he cannot die (Specifically of old age, lack of food or water, etc), he cannot reincarnate).

 

[Kuularne]

the ritual of time is said by kagyou (king of time) to 'shut off persons fate of life by extinguishing their candle of time with the Water of Dreaming. Ka-gyou directly said that it deletes time'

i think ur mistaking it

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

the ritual of time is said by kagyou (king of time) to 'shut off persons fate of life by extinguishing their candle of time with the Water of Dreaming. Ka-gyou directly said that it deletes time'

i think ur mistaking it

Yeah, I mistook it with the longevity thing. From what I can infer, the candles represent how long it takes until one dies. So the player essentially speeds up the time of an individual, causing them to die instantly, I think.

 

[Kuularne]

i think it has smth 2 do with fate and time, not just longelivity. its vague but kagyou is the god of time and fate so its more 2 do with those powers

'end to his time' 'erase time' things like that

 

[Kuularne]

''Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death'' ''thus cannot be traditionally killed'' made me think of rin being type 5 specifically

 

[Kuularne]

it also mentions fate. i dont think its restricted 2 just natural causes

thx btw, ill put it in

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death thus cannot be traditionally killed made me think of rin being type 5 specifically

Rin has died to things such as attacks from normal creatures and other natural causes.

i think it has smth 2 do with fate and time, not just longelivity. its vague but kagyou is the god of time and fate so its more 2 do with those powers

'end to his time' 'erase time' things like that

It's definitely time, given that you're abruptly ending people's lifespans.

Also, as a side-note, I tried doing a rendered version of the image on Rin's profile


Rin as depicted in the intro.

 

[Kuularne]

he dies from a lot of things but always resurrects. whether normal creatures or time erasure

 

[Kuularne]

and like i said i dont think its restricted 2 natural causes.

 

[Kaltias]

That's not type 5, only self-resurrection

 

[Kuularne]

well theyre unbound by life or death and cant be traditionally killed

 

[Kaltias]

Except that they can. They only come back later

 

[Kuularne]

death doesnt effect them so no. they cant be actually get rid of by traditional ways

 

[ALRF]

They can be rid as Zany said.

They just come back due to resurrection

 

[Kaltias]

That's not type 5. Type 5 is "you don't actually die to begin with because you ''can't''". Not "You die but resurrect afterwards"

 

[Kuularne]

no they cant be rid lol. they always come back.

whats an example of type 5? i dont get it

 

[Kaltias]

An example of type 5 is someone like Type Jupiter who lacks a concept of death

 

[ALRF]

>no they cant be rid lol. they always come back.

Yeah, they come back via resurrection. They die but come back due to that ability.

 

[Kuularne]

its effectively the same since death doesnt effect them bc of resurrection

 

[ALRF]

No, they still do die, they "escape" death via resurrection.

They aren't "lacking" it but rather "avoiding" it through resurrection

 

[Kaltias]

It isn't. Between being killed and resurrecting, they are 100% dead.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

No, they still do die, they "escape" death via resurrection.

They aren't "lacking" it but rather "avoiding" it through resurrection

This.

 

[Kuularne]

idk wot u mean but death clearly doesnt effect them so it looks like type 5 still 2 me.

 

[Kuularne]

@kaltias: idt thats how it works either

 

[Kaltias]

Dude.

If you die but resurrect that's not the same as not being dead to begin with.

 

[ALRF]

Same as Amakasu Masahiko.

We don't give him Type 5 just because he can resurrect after his death.

The guy just "bypass" his death by resurrecting himself, the concept still apply to him.