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The summons can incap and those beings won't let Rimuru adapt. they'll go all out from the start
He would go for sealing seeing his attacks aren't killing his opponents
Going all out from the start literally means trying to kill him. Its not like they have info on each other. They'd kill him at least 2 times and he'll come back thanks to HGR, by then he should have adapted to their 5 layers + still has acasuality 3 and immortality type 9. Can they do anything against the type 9?
 
Umm
1. No unless proven
2. DBH Info Hax functions like Concept 1 Hax and Keysword can still Null that
3. Goku can prevent Rimuru from using it via DD + Energy Absorption + SEI combination
Uhh, No. Concepts are more fundamental than anything

For example Conceptual death hax is superior to conventional death hax

Conceptual Power null >>>>>>>Conventional Power null
 
DD and Energy Absorption + SEI makes Rimuru Incapacited and Locked outta his Skills plus cant Act
All thats needed to do afterwards is seal him away
Ciel doesn't run on magicules so no. Analysis, adaptation and power mimicry still works
 
Its not a stomp, rather a decisive Win
Based on what?
He gains resistance and counter to the power he analyzed
KS would Null all of Rimuru's Skills upon Sealing
he has resisted a similar ability before multiple times, even a power that can steal power.
I already answered that
You kinda reaching this one I don't even see a conceptual type 3 negation from KS profile left alone type 1 nor it can negate RP that will instantly directly harm xeno goku.

And pls stop magnifying this 4D shit cause it lit just mean time and nothing else and you have to prove that each of the haxes KS nullified can effect the time or a fourth dimensional being n order for you to start abusing this "KS nullified a 4D mind (example) hax before"
 
Rimuru improvises, adapts, evolves, transcends.

Stamina drain isn't affecting his ability to analyze, evolve and use power mimicry and unlike Anos with his 99*uncountable layers, goku and KS only have 5.

If rimuru resists conceptual power null and KS doesn't have it then he isn't pulling rimuru at all
 
Going all out from the start literally means trying to kill him. Its not like they have info on each other. They'd kill him at least 2 times
Nope
Goku always goes for Sealing if Keysword is on Hand
Also a Single Time would be enough since Goku is Experience with Regenerators.
nd he'll come back thanks to HGR, by then he should have adapted to their 5 layers
Thats quite the claim
+ still has acasuality 3
Sealing Wont trigger Acausality and even if it did Goku can still summon Time Power users. Any of which would be bad for Rimuru due to them Acausal Negation
and immortality type 9. Can they do anything against the type 9?
Nuke Imaginary Space with 2-A range or just go there himself and seal prime Rimuru
 
Nope
Goku always goes for Sealing if Keysword is on Hand
Also a Single Time would be enough since Goku is Experience with Regenerators.

Thats quite the claim

Sealing Wont trigger Acausality and even if it did Goku can still summon Time Power users. Any of which would be bad for Rimuru due to them Acausal Negation

Nuke Imaginary Space with 2-A range or just go there himself and seal prime Rimuru
How is Goku knowing theres imaginary space again???
 
Thats quite the claim
Its not when he actually has feats of Adapting to and resisting abilities he analyzed. Also RE is OP.
Sealing Wont trigger Acausality and even if it did Goku can still summon Time Power users. Any of which would be bad for Rimuru due to them Acausal Negation
Seal one and another would take his place then he summons help not to mention he's only fighting and avatar.
Nuke Imaginary Space with 2-A range or just go there himself and seal prime Rimuru
Does he have inter dimensional range? If not then sorry, he isn't reaching imaginary space
 
So can someone make list of Both Characters Wincons which aren't getting countered or nulled?
It depends. Going with Rimuru's passive stamina increase (Magicule Breeder Reactor) to counter DD, resistance to Conceptual power null & Passive Aura (which includes Death Hax Goku doesn't resist), unless Goku has any other passive, I don't think he can do something
 
So far no counter has been made against current arguments so until they are counted the votes don't matter.

Voting rimuru FRA
 
It can't, since DD is passive constant stamina hax, not one time only, and it work on infinite stamina

Rimuru has an always-increasing stamina skill.

And iirc, DD puts your stamina at 1, not 0 (which is where you can no longer act), so Rimuru should be able to act fine (since every time he's near to 0 stamina, his skill will increase it and it'll be again reduced to 1).

Anyway, passives + resistance to Conceptual power null still works
 
Rimuru wincons;
  • Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless
  • RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency
  • Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD
  • Turn null with CM1, void manipulation
  • HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons
  • Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)
 
What are Goku's wincons again?

Rimuru counters all of them besides calling for backup, of which Rimuru would adapt real fast
 
It can't, since DD is passive constant stamina hax, not one time only, and it work on infinite stamina
Infinite stamina is something every 3A and above have. Rimuru doesn't just have infinite stamina but has 2 separate sources of energy that produce infinite energy infinitely.
 
Rimuru wincons;
  • Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless
  • RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency
  • Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD
  • Turn null with CM1, void manipulation
  • HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons
  • Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)
thanks
 
Uhh, No. Concepts are more fundamental than anything
Clearly you dont know what Information and Plot Hax are....
For example Conceptual death hax is superior to conventional death hax
Alright
Ciel doesn't run on magicules so no. Analysis, adaptation and power mimicry still works
Ciel is a Skill hence why she gets locked by SEI as all skills are locked by SEI
He gains resistance and counter to the power he analyzed
He wont be able to Analyze because
1. Keysword would block analyzation
2. DD literally Incapping him
he has resisted a similar ability before multiple times, even a power that can steal power.
Not to Goku's Potency
And pls stop magnifying this 4D shit cause it lit just mean time and nothing else and you have to prove that each of the haxes KS nullified can effect the time or a fourth dimensional being n order for you to start abusing this "KS nullified a 4D mind (example) hax before"
AFFECTING 4-D STRUCTURE COUNTS AS WELL FOR 4-D HAX. Numerous beings can affect time and only have 3-D Hax so bad point.
He has analyzed Veldora Tempest, who has Conceptual power null.

And Rimuru has resistance to all abilities he analized
To be fair
His Concept Hax is not 100% Power Null but yeah
Sure enough
Rimuru improvises, adapts, evolves, transcends.
DD + Energy Absorption + SEI then Sealing
Yeah No
Stamina drain isn't affecting his ability to analyze, evolve and use power mimicry and unlike Anos with his 99*uncountable layers, goku and KS only have 5.
Read what goku's SEI does
 
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The only thing he has left is going out of range which would make this an incon at best
I don't think Goku has ever gone to a multiversal+ range difference just to spam attacks. Specially considering he has Keysword right now, the most obvious assumption is that he'll use it to attack
Even though i don't vote, but......what, every 3-A has infinite stamina???? citation needed
That's not true as far as I know.
 
Even though i don't vote, but......what, every 3-A has infinite stamina???? citation needed
Producing enough energy/ having enough energy to affect an infinite space basically makes said energy infinite. Maybe it would've been better to say "every low 2-C" and not 3A
 
Clearly you dont know what Information and Plot Hax are....

Alright

Okay but the Keysword can Power Null Info 2 Hax which functions Similarly to Concept 1. Then add Layers on top of that. Also Information is an Abstract Power

Ciel is a Skill hence why she gets locked by SEI as all skills are locked by SEI

He wont be able to Analyze because
1. Keysword would block analyzation
2. DD literally Incapping him

Not to Goku's Potency

The Keysword Nulls Special Ki which has Info2 that acts like Concept 1
Also what is RP?

AFFECTING 4-D STRUCTURE COUNTS AS WELL FOR 4-D HAX. Numerous beings can affect time and only have 3-D Hax so bad point.

To be fair
His Concept Hax is not 100% Power Null but yeah
Sure enough

DD + Energy Absorption + SEI then Sealing
Yeah No

Read what goku's SEI does

It Kinda Does since it Nulls Info 2 that Functions like Concept Type 1
so can you make a list of wincons for Goku?
 
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