Rimuru Tempest vs Xeno Goku

[JustANormalPerson01]

Clearly you dont know what Information and Plot Hax are....

CM1 should be better than Info2. Info2 is the information which makes reality, meanwhile, CM1 are the concepts which make reality and are completely independent of the reality they make

Okay but the Keysword can Power Null Info 2 Hax which functions Similarly to Concept 1. Then add Layers on top of that. Also Information is an Abstract Power

Info 2 =/= CM1

Ciel is a Skill hence why she gets locked by SEI as all skills are locked by SEI

What is SEI?

He wont be able to Analyze because
1. Keysword would block analyzation

Iirc, people said Keysword only nullifies attacks directed to damage the user, not anything Rimuru tries to do/use. Not sure about that, though

2. DD literally Incapping him

DD does not incap, it lets stamina down to 1, while 0 is the needed to incap. This added to Rimuru infinitely-increasing stamina due to his skills should counter DD

To be fair
His Concept Hax is not 100% Power Null but yeah
Sure enough

It is

 

[Tatsumi504]

He wont be able to Analyze because
1. Keysword would block analyzation
2. DD literally Incapping him

What is SEI? Other versions of rimuru still have ciel so this isn't countered in anyway

DD + Energy Absorption + SEI then Sealing
Yeah No

All DD does is reset his stamina to 1. He then proceeds to use the remaining stamina and it instantly recharges and gets set to 1 again. DD ain't doing shit

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

If you really think Xeno Goku doesn't stand a chance, why don't you change this to one of the God tiers of DBH?

CM1 should be better than Info2. Info2 is the information which makes reality, meanwhile, CM1 are the concepts which make reality and are completely independent of the reality they make

Info 2 =/= CM1

What is SEI?

Iirc, people said Keysword only nullifies attacks directed to damage the user, not anything Rimuru tries to do/use. Not sure about that, though

DD does not incap, it lets stamina down to 1, while 0 is the needed to incap. This added to Rimuru infinitely-increasing stamina due to his skills should counter DD

It is

DD is constantly active. If Rimuru gets more stamina,the ability will set it to 1 again. Not to mention Goku has other passive stamina reduction abilities on top of DD afaik

 

[Catpija]

Are you implying he can kill someone who has high godly regeneration?

incap goes brrrr

 

[Tatsumi504]

If you really think Xeno Goku doesn't stand a chance, why don't you change this to one of the God tiers of DBH?

DD is constantly active. If Rimuru gets more stamina,the ability will set it to 1 again. Not to mention Goku has other passive stamina reduction abilities on top of DD afaik

Doesn't change the fact his stamina will never be zero

 

[Tatsumi504]

incap goes brrrr

He incaps an avatar+ there are countless other rimuru's to continue from where he stopped.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Basically infinite stamina, power mimicry and RE take the dub once again.

 

[Catpija]

Have a Time Power user Use Acausal Neg on Rimuru then kill any of his past selves

His acausality is above the baseline, as he even trascended the irregular causality system

normal causality system(governed by Law of World) > Irregular/Ultimate Skill User causality system(governed by World's rule) > High ranked Spiritual Lifeform such as Rimuru who trascended it

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Doesn't change the fact his stamina will never be zero

It will never be at maximum,which is a great weakness

 

[Ss3micah]

CM1 should be better than Info2. Info2 is the information which makes reality, meanwhile, CM1 are the concepts which make reality and are completely independent of the reality they make
Info 2 =/= CM1

Thats not true as SMT has proven
Info 2 can be just as potent or even more potent with the right context

What is SEI?

Stat Effect Induce

DD does not incap, it lets stamina down to 1, while 0 is the needed to incap. This added to Rimuru infinitely-increasing stamina due to his skills should counter DD

You forget that along with DD goku has Myriad of Passive Stamina Reduction Hax?
And again Infinite Stamina Users get affected just as well

 

[Catpija]

He incaps an avatar+ there are countless other rimuru's to continue from where he stopped.

Goku can just nuke with his 2A AP and range, that will destroy all of his clone and even main body, then just seal the true Rimuru GG

 

[Tatsumi504]

It will never be at maximum,which is a great incap

He can still use his abilities even if its only 1. Not being at his max doesn't incap him in anyway. Girl isn't dependent on energy anyway so power mimicry and RE still works

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If you really think Xeno Goku doesn't stand a chance, why don't you change this to one of the God tiers of DBH?

We're not the ones who made the thread. And Keysword is the only thing which is (remotely) letting Goku alive here, put someone without it and it'll be a stomp

DD is constantly active. If Rimuru gets more stamina,the ability will set it to 1 again. Not to mention Goku has other passive stamina reduction abilities on top of DD afaik

And you can still act with stamina at 1. You just can't act when your stamina is down to 0

Oh-, u're right. Anyway, why does Keysword count a dura-neg attack which causes your insides to explode as death hax? Yes, it's described as an insta-kill ability, just like any dura-neg ability is

Can someone answer this, please? If there is no other reason for Keysword having resistance to Death Hax than a beam which isn't death hax, but dura neg (as potrayed in Devilman Profile and explained in the very scan linked. The only other "explanation" is it being called to be an insta-kill ability, which, considering the ability negates durability by exploding him from the inside, it's obviously not Death Hax) I think a CRT should be made

 

[Vietthai96]

Acausality above baseline????. What

 

[Tatsumi504]

Thats not true as SMT has proven
Info 2 can be just as potent or even more potent with the right context

Well CM 1 is above info 2 in tensura and it seems DB just straight up doesn't have any form of CM

 

[Catpija]

Acausality above baseline????. What

idk, something like that, i don't really know the specific name

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Thats not true as SMT has proven
Info 2 can be just as potent or even more potent with the right context

You said it. With the right context

Just because something is more potent in one verse, it doesn't mean it's always more potent

You forget that along with DD goku has Myriad of Passive Stamina Reduction Hax?
And again Infinite Stamina Users get affected just as well

The problem is that Rimuru not only has infinite stamina, but his stamina is always increasing. If it's reduced to 1, then it'll passively increase again

 

[Tatsumi504]

Goku can just nuke with his 2A AP and range, that will destroy all of his clone and even main body, then just seal the true Rimuru GG

Needs inter dimensional range + won't even know about the existence of imaginary space.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

We're not the ones who made the thread. And Keysword is the only thing which is (remotely) letting Goku alive here, put someone without it and it'll be a stomp

The Dormant Keysword is literally weak. Every God Tier has much more resistances and haxes on a much higher level

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Needs inter dimensional range + won't even know about the existence of imaginary space.

Interdimensional range is below 2-C range

 

[Vietthai96]

Just close this thread, at this point peoples start inventing shit to suit their narrative

 

[Ss3micah]

Can someone answer this, please? If there is no other reason for Keysword having resistance to Death Hax than a beam which isn't death hax, but dura neg (as potrayed in Devilman Profile and explained in the very scan linked. The only other "explanation" is it being called to be an insta-kill ability, which, considering the ability negates durability by exploding him from the inside, it's obviously not Death Hax) I think a CRT should be made

Thats Canon Devilmite beam
In the games however it insta kills any target, including those who have Godly Levels of Regen and various Immortalities

 

[Tatsumi504]

Interdimensional range is below 2-C range

2A range alone isn't enough. He still needs inter dimensional + at least countless 2-B range to reach imaginary space.

 

[Ss3micah]

Also WAY TOO MUCH IS GOING ON HERE
I CAN KEEP UP LOLOL

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Just close this thread, at this point peoples start inventing shit to suit their narrative

Agreed

 

[Vietthai96]

2A range alone isn't enough. He still needs inter dimensional + at least countless 2-B range to reach imaginary space.

What.......2-A range < 2-B range, what the ****, also did you not see interdimensional range on every DBH profile???

 

[Catpija]

Just close this thread, at this point peoples start inventing shit to suit their narrative

a while back i asked Elizhaa about it and she said it does exist

 

[Ss3micah]

2A range alone isn't enough. He still needs inter dimensional + at least countless 2-B range to reach imaginary space.

WHAAT???

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Anyway, why would Goku destroy the entire multiverse? I can see that happening from other characters, but from Goku? I don't really see him destroying the entire multiverse just because. Plus he doesn't know Rimuru's true self is in other dimension, and even with that, Rimuru still has AE2

 

[Ss3micah]

a while back i asked Elizhaa about it and she said it does exist

He said PROBABLY!!!!
DO A CTR for it to really be a thing

 

[Tatsumi504]

What.......2-A range < 2-B range, what the ****, also did you not see interdimensional range on every DBH profile???

If he has inter dimensional range you should've said that from the beginning.

Assuming 2A range can reach a place that exists in a completely different dimension just because it's 2-B would be NLF

 

[Catpija]

He said PROBABLY!!!!
DO A CTR for it to really be a thing

ooh, my bad i thought it already a thing

 

[Ss3micah]

. Plus he doesn't know Rimuru's true self is in other dimension,

2-A Range ESP

 

[Greatsage13th]

Conceptual Power null >>>>>> infinte 4D Non Conceptual Power null

So Goku hax is meaningless here

Wrong. You can't just say concept power null is better than 4D powernull when concept powernull has never shown to be able to affect 4Ds I the first place.

 

[Ss3micah]

Anyway, why would Goku destroy the entire multiverse? I can see that happening from other characters, but from Goku?

His Summons would

 

[Greatsage13th]

If he has inter dimensional range you should've said that from the beginning.

Assuming 2A range can reach a place that exists in a completely different dimension just because it's 2-B would be NLF

No it won't if that was showcased beforehand

 

[Ss3micah]

, Rimuru still has AE2

Sealing Bruh

 

[Catpija]

Rimuru still has AE2

Werent AE2 in the webnovel is completely useless since the ressurection took like hundreds of year?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

2-A Range ESP

It's not like Goku is always sensing every ki of every universe at the entire multiverse, all at the same time.

And even if so, you've not adressed the other things.

 

[Sniper670]

Wrong. You can't just say concept power null is better than 4D powernull when concept powernull has never shown to be able to affect 4Ds I the first place.

The power null is 4D conceptual.