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Sonic vs Rimuru

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Uh.... I'm reaIIy not getting how this abiIity works...
WeII, off to waiting for sonic supporters to appear...
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It is a protective invisible aura that ensures Sonic's victory in the end, no matter how weird, unexpected or impossible the scenario is, something will happen that will help Sonic to win in a seemingly impossible situation. Even if Rimuru wins by VSBW rules by incapping Sonic, sooner or later Sonic will win
 
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SJG13673 said:
It is a protective invisible aura that ensures Sonic's victory in the end, no matter how weird, unexpected or impossible the scenario is, something will happen that will help Sonic to win in a seemingly impossible situation even if Rimuru wins by VSBW ruled by incapping Sonic, sooner or later Sonic will win
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Now that is a NLF, if I have ever seen one.
 
Wikisource said:
Well, me too but iirc, there are some ways to counter passive fate hax like this, depends how it works...
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Tbh if its passive hax it depends on the amount of temporaI dimensions it encompasses
If its on a singIe temporaI Dimension, Rimuru outspeeds that and can deaI with even passive hax without even it activating
SJG13673 said:
It is a protective invisible aura that ensures Sonic's victory in the end, no matter how weird, unexpected or impossible the scenario is, something will happen that will help Sonic to win in a seemingly impossible situation. Even if Rimuru wins by VSBW rules by incapping Sonic, sooner or later Sonic will win
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hard nIf; We dont assume it can save the hedgehog from High GodIy IeveI erasure too just because it has shown to save him from Iow godIy IeveI erasure
McFriesGuy075 said:
At this point it's an incon
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It wouId onIy be an incon if his fate hax can even save him... which I dont think it can. Since it works on sonic himseIf, Rimuru does not have to resist it; He can just destroy sonic beyond a IeveI where the fate hax is shown to work
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Tbh if its passive hax it depends on the amount of temporaI dimensions it encompasses
If its on a singIe temporaI Dimension, Rimuru outspeeds that and can deaI with even passive hax without even it activating
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The problem here is, this kind hax affect on the user himself, not his opponent. A good e.g like supernatural luck affect on the user himself (like Masayuki, ig) So, to counter it, you need something is powerful enough to bypass it... Passive fate hax like this, I believe that a enhanced/greater/stronger of supernatural luck....
 
But I think Rimuru just use Suspenden World to stop Sonic's fate hax. His SW also compare with Yuuki at end of series (after absorb Yuuki) so he can stop time (including fate and others)... And it also can stop who has Acausality type 4... Any idea?
 
Wikisource said:
The problem here is, this kind hax affect on the user himself, not his opponent. A good e.g like supernatural luck affect on the user himself (like Masayuki, ig) So, to counter it, you need something is powerful enough to bypass it... Passive fate hax like this, I believe that a enhanced/greater/stronger of supernatural luck....
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Even if its effect is on the user himself, it is still an ability. It being passive just means it has no activation time or the activation time is 0, but immeasurabIe speed can aIready outspeed that.
Sonic;s passive hax would only work if its on the same speed level as Rimuru. Which, I suppose, even if speed is equaIized, Rimuru can outspeed via acceIeration.

Tho, assuming it ignores aII that and activates anyways, it has to be shown to be able to save him from his information and concept erased if sonic is to be saved, and assuming it can anyways even if it hast been shown to be that potent would be, as I have said before, nlf.
 
Wikisource said:
But I think Rimuru just use Suspenden World to stop Sonic's fate hax. His SW also compare with Yuuki at end of series (after absorb Yuuki) so he can stop time (including fate and others)... And it also can stop who has Acausality type 4... Any idea?
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True, tho I am supposing Sonic's fate hax is 7D, which would make it outside Suspended World's scope.
So the only way for Rimuru to deal with it is either outspeed it or destroy sonic beyond what his fate hax is shown to save him from
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Tho, assuming it ignores aII that and activates anyways, it has to be shown to be able to save him from his information and concept erased if sonic is to be saved, and assuming it can anyways even if it hast been shown to be that potent would be, as I have said before, nlf.
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From what I see from the scans, highest level his hax can affect seems is quantum, (I see something about concept in this page but I have no idea about it).
 
Wikisource said:
From what I see from the scans, highest level his hax can affect seems is quantum, (I see something about concept in this page but I have no idea about it).
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From what I understand:
Sonic's verse assumingly has Quantum Mechanics, which makes a timeline branch at every Possibility; Sonic's fate hax works by making it so that in battle, it always turns out to be the Timeline of the Quantum Possibility where Sonic wins
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However, this has a few obvious limitations:
  • This is limited to Physical Destruction, and it cant deal against enemies that destroy him beyond a level at which Quantum Possibilities branch. So Information Type 2 destruction can still harm him. Alternatively, Rimuru also has an ability called Quantum Manipulation on his profile in the attacks/techniques section. Although the extension of that ability is unknown
  • Going off by the only Dimensional Static given on this page, seems like Chaos Energy is 6D, which makes his fate hax also 6D. Rimuru can, however, destroy 6D constructs entirely, and Fate in tensura that is a part of the World and counted within Time is also 6D by that. So he can destroy the Fate itself that protects Sonic. Tho Chaos Force according to this page is 7D, it seems the aspects it controls are 6D since Chaos Force is 7D by transcending everything else.
  • Rimuru can just destroy all of the timelines branching from Quantum Possibilities, which should be 5D I guess. 6D and 7D in-verse seems to be states of existence or outside the quantum branching process.
AIso, from the cosmology page, it seems Sonic's verse has only 1 temporal Dimension, so by all means, Rimuru massively outspeeds Sonic if speed is not equaIized.
I would thus say its a Stomp for Rimuru....

Edit: If I got any of the sonic stuff wrong, the supporters can correct me cuz I'm obviously not knowledgeable on the series
 
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Astral_Trinity439 said:
From what I understand:

However, this has a few obvious limitations:
  • This is limited to Physical Destruction, and it cant deal against enemies that destroy him beyond a level at which Quantum Possibilities branch. So Information Type 2 destruction can still harm him. Alternatively, Rimuru also has an ability called Quantum Manipulation on his profile in the attacks/techniques section. Although the extension of that ability is unknown
  • Going off by the only Dimensional Static given on this page, seems like Chaos Energy is 6D, which makes his fate hax also 6D. Rimuru can, however, destroy 6D constructs entirely, and Fate in tensura that is a part of the World and counted within Time is also 6D by that. So he can destroy the Fate itself that protects Sonic. Tho Chaos Force according to this page is 7D, it seems the aspects it controls are 6D since Chaos Force is 7D by transcending everything else.
  • Rimuru can just destroy all of the timelines branching from Quantum Possibilities, which should be 5D I guess. 6D and 7D in-verse seems to be states of existence or outside the quantum branching process.
AIso, from the cosmology page, it seems Sonic's verse has only 1 temporal Dimension, so by all means, Rimuru massively outspeeds Sonic if speed is not equaIized.
I would thus say its a Stomp for Rimuru....
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I see, so waiting for Sonic spter...
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
From what I understand:

However, this has a few obvious limitations:
  • This is limited to Physical Destruction, and it cant deal against enemies that destroy him beyond a level at which Quantum Possibilities branch. So Information Type 2 destruction can still harm him. Alternatively, Rimuru also has an ability called Quantum Manipulation on his profile in the attacks/techniques section. Although the extension of that ability is unknown
  • Going off by the only Dimensional Static given on this page, seems like Chaos Energy is 6D, which makes his fate hax also 6D. Rimuru can, however, destroy 6D constructs entirely, and Fate in tensura that is a part of the World and counted within Time is also 6D by that. So he can destroy the Fate itself that protects Sonic. Tho Chaos Force according to this page is 7D, it seems the aspects it controls are 6D since Chaos Force is 7D by transcending everything else.
  • Rimuru can just destroy all of the timelines branching from Quantum Possibilities, which should be 5D I guess. 6D and 7D in-verse seems to be states of existence or outside the quantum branching process.
AIso, from the cosmology page, it seems Sonic's verse has only 1 temporal Dimension, so by all means, Rimuru massively outspeeds Sonic if speed is not equaIized.
I would thus say its a Stomp for Rimuru....

Edit: If I got any of the sonic stuff wrong, the supporters can correct me cuz I'm obviously not knowledgeable on the series
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Chaos Energy in its entirety is 7-D, every single God Tier in the verse is on that level, 6-D is only for the potency of Soul Manipulation, as it can destroy an entire higher spiritual plane of existence, and Sonic with Chaos Control can bend the entire Cosmology to his will.

Sonic's Fate Hax is 7-D due to it protecting him from Mammoth Mogul, who ascended to HDE 7-D by becoming one with entire Chaos Force, the highest level of the cosmology, it's not limited by Quantum stuff of a universe.
 
SJG13673 said:
Chaos Energy in its entirety is 7-D, every single God Tier in the verse is on that level, 6-D is only for the potency of Soul Manipulation, as it can destroy an entire higher spiritual plane of existence, and Sonic with Chaos Control can bend the entire Cosmology to his will.
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That does not mean the fate hax is necessariIy 7D. From the scans, it seems Chaos Energy messes with Fate, but fate hax;s dimensionaIity would be defined by the fate aspect in-verse. Even if chaos is 7D, if fate is 6D, its manipuIation wouId aIso be such.
Bending the entire cosmology can very weII be space-time manip, not necessariIy fate manip of the same IeveI.
SJG13673 said:
Sonic's Fate Hax is 7-D due to it protecting him from Mammoth Mogul, who ascended to HDE 7-D by becoming one with entire Chaos Force, the highest level of the cosmology, it's not limited by Quantum stuff of a universe.
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Then why would the description define it as only messing with the quantum stuff? If the quantum stuff is 5D or 6D, fate hax which is derived from that would aIso be so. Its Iike how if a 6-dimensionaI entity manipuIates a 5-dimensionaI space-time, said hax is stiII 5D, not 6D. Its not decided by the dimensionaIity of the manipuIator, but instead the thing getting manipuIated.

Also, that is just one of the points. It stiII does not address the rest of the reasons I gave on why Rimuru would win here via a stomp.
 
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
Also, since when the goddamn did temporal dimensions have to do anything with speed??
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Since the wankers started using it Since the day the immeasurabIe speed was made.
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
There's some reading comp ability going on here.. what is this downplay against an established thing in the story?
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As I said:
Astral_Trinity439 said:
If I got any of the sonic stuff wrong, the supporters can correct me cuz I'm obviously not knowledgeable on the series
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So yes, I have been waiting for supporters so the wincons and incons for both characters can be discussed.
 
It's just that I think the justification for passive fate hax 7-D isn't really clear, but I'll look into it later.
 
I can't believe you guys were going over one ability the entire two pages. Just let this die, bro.

Voting Rimuru FR shown by Astral and others. Retract my vote if this is a stomp.
 
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