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Rimuru Tempest vs Meng Hao (Slime vs Cultivator)
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Can you at least just read the blog like what Zara said instead being "lul doesn't matter"?GLHF22 said:
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My apologies, I thought that his final fight with Yuuki was in his final key but I forgot that he got that key after that fight.
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Meng Hao can kill Rimuru with his aura which is soul manip that is more potent than what Rimuru can resist.
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Didn't think this would be picked again till Rimuru CRT was done or Meng Hao even if his CRT doesn't affect his High 4-C CRT. His condition is simple as he always starts with soul-crushing or suppressing other power right away with Body-Mind Hex which at this Realm he didn't know that what he truly does it was using countless spaces to suppress their cultivation base/soul and powers. He didn't fully know, but that was his hex.
I won't ever deny Rimuru speed is greater than Meng Hao because we can truly know his speed. It's not a novel like the Japanese one where they clearly say how fast he was or things like that. In Chinese Xianxia usually, they don't usually say, excluding a few ones that integrated western concepts.
Yeah, Rimuru would blitz but can he go past Meng Hao Regenerationn/immortality? Can he truly resist Meng Hao Existence Erasure that is instant once Meng Hao sees his karma threads? Meng Hao can interact with nonphysical things and even things in separated dimensions be them closed or not as he did with Ji Nineteen.
How good is Rimuru Mind resistance? Meng Hao can control/erase/force to kill himself/ destroy the mind of other beings.
How long is Rimuru life in this key? because Meng Hao can age him 100k years instantly with only stabbing him once with a sword tip.
Meng Hao also has Conceptual Statistics Amplification, thanks to his Second Severing that let him go beyond Perfection without limit. Also, he grasped the Dao of Alchemy in this Key which let him create any pill that can do anything from nothing - "Turning the Illusory in Reality" .
He also has the Demon Weapon Lonelytomb, a weapon that attacks the soul and has a power of extermination that once throws is auto-locking on that person. He also has the Lightning Cauldron that can break any space barrier through the displacement of his or of his enemies.
He also has his Dharma Idol, a being that is created from his will (think of Susanoo from Naruto) but looks like him. This is a being like an actual Idol that people can pray and gain power(like a religious Idol). It's aura alone was enough to twist and break the natural and magical Laws of the World.
His most powerful thing is his Sealing that can seal almost anything in this Realm as he sealed the Lightning Tribulation that could destroy the body and the souls instantly of being such as him. It's a an attack from the Universe itself - more like Ji Tian that becomes the Heaven in primordial times.
I won't ever deny Rimuru speed is greater than Meng Hao because we can truly know his speed. It's not a novel like the Japanese one where they clearly say how fast he was or things like that. In Chinese Xianxia usually, they don't usually say, excluding a few ones that integrated western concepts.
Yeah, Rimuru would blitz but can he go past Meng Hao Regenerationn/immortality? Can he truly resist Meng Hao Existence Erasure that is instant once Meng Hao sees his karma threads? Meng Hao can interact with nonphysical things and even things in separated dimensions be them closed or not as he did with Ji Nineteen.
How good is Rimuru Mind resistance? Meng Hao can control/erase/force to kill himself/ destroy the mind of other beings.
How long is Rimuru life in this key? because Meng Hao can age him 100k years instantly with only stabbing him once with a sword tip.
Meng Hao also has Conceptual Statistics Amplification, thanks to his Second Severing that let him go beyond Perfection without limit. Also, he grasped the Dao of Alchemy in this Key which let him create any pill that can do anything from nothing - "Turning the Illusory in Reality" .
He also has the Demon Weapon Lonelytomb, a weapon that attacks the soul and has a power of extermination that once throws is auto-locking on that person. He also has the Lightning Cauldron that can break any space barrier through the displacement of his or of his enemies.
He also has his Dharma Idol, a being that is created from his will (think of Susanoo from Naruto) but looks like him. This is a being like an actual Idol that people can pray and gain power(like a religious Idol). It's aura alone was enough to twist and break the natural and magical Laws of the World.
His most powerful thing is his Sealing that can seal almost anything in this Realm as he sealed the Lightning Tribulation that could destroy the body and the souls instantly of being such as him. It's a an attack from the Universe itself - more like Ji Tian that becomes the Heaven in primordial times.
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high 4c rimuru was able to tank high 3a yukki existence erasure so yukki had to bfr rimuru to the End of Time where the flow of time was stopped and the spread of space had ceased . yet rimuru still managed to keep his existence for countless years regardless , he even got ludicrously stronger instead of being dead .
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Meng Hao's time sword is useless against anyone with type 1 immortality.
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"high 4c rimuru was able to tank high 3a yukki existence erasure"
The tiers don't matter for hax. Not at this stage anyways.
The tiers don't matter for hax. Not at this stage anyways.
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"His condition is simple as he always starts with soul-crushing or suppressing other power right away with Body-Mind Hex which at this Realm he didn't know that what he truly does it was using countless spaces to suppress their cultivation base/soul and powers. He didn't fully know, but that was his hex."
If any of this takes any time to activate, even if it only takes a second, Rimuru can rush before he activates them. But even then, the fact that Rimuru is an ultimate skill user means that he can't be affected by any magic that affects the soul besides those that have an ultimate skill. If Hex's are the equivelent of curses then Rimuru resists them. Can you clarify whether Hexes are more related to magic or curses? I don't believe a Rimuru created with Multiple Parallel Existences is affected by Soul attacks, but @Celestial Pegasus can correct me.
"Yeah, Rimuru would blitz but can he go past Meng Hao Regenerationn/immortality?"
Doesn't apply. Rimuru doesn't "absorb" him in a way that destroys him. It's a seal.
"Can he truly resist Meng Hao Existence Erasure that is instant once Meng Hao sees his karma threads? "
This is resisted FRA.
"Meng Hao can interact with nonphysical things and even things in separated dimensions be them closed or not as he did with Ji Nineteen."
How many dimensions? Because its a completely seperate reality[Universe?] outside of actual spacetime. It isn't a real space. I don't know if normal rules would apply here. Plus Rimuru can make multiple different pocket dimensions. @Celestial Pegasus Would be able to confirm this.
"How good is Rimuru Mind resistance? Meng Hao can control/erase/force to kill himself/ destroy the mind of other beings."
Spirtual life forms are not affected. Because you can do what ever you want to their mind, but they think using their soul.
"How long is Rimuru life in this key? because Meng Hao can age him 100k years instantly with only stabbing him once with a sword tip."
Life span attacks are irrelevant, even though it isn't in his profile, I'm pretty sure because he is a spirtual life form at his 4-C keys, he doesn't have a life span. As described here .
"Meng Hao also has Conceptual Statistics Amplification, thanks to his Second Severing that let him go beyond Perfection without limit. "
You'll need to elaborate here. I don't exactly understand what "Perfection" is refering to.
"He also has the Demon Weapon Lonelytomb, a weapon that attacks the soul and has a power of extermination that once throws is auto-locking on that person."
Rimuru can just devour the weapon to neutralize it and create an exact copy. Unless it is resistant to its own destruction.
"He also has the Lightning Cauldron that can break any space barrier through the displacement of his or of his enemies."
"He also has his Dharma Idol, a being that is created from his will (think of Susanoo from Naruto) but looks like him. This is a being like an actual Idol that people can pray and gain power(like a religious Idol). It's aura alone was enough to twist and break the natural and magical Laws of the World."
Rimuru, I believe, at these keys, has a barrier that absorbs all physical attacks (including spacial attacks) and turns it into energy. He also has spacial attacks which can cut through space itself, which would be able to *probably* deal with the Dharma doll.
"His most powerful thing is his Sealing that can seal almost anything in this Realm as he sealed the Lightning Tribulation that could destroy the body and the souls instantly of being such as him. It's a an attack from the Universe itself - more like Ji Tian that becomes the Heaven in primordial times."
You'll need to describe this in a bit more detail. If it takes any time to activate, then Rimuru can rush.
Also, @Celestial Pegasus since Demon Lord's Ambition is considered a type of Empathetic Manipulation, does Resistance to Mind Manipulation automatically make you resistant to its effects?
If any of this takes any time to activate, even if it only takes a second, Rimuru can rush before he activates them. But even then, the fact that Rimuru is an ultimate skill user means that he can't be affected by any magic that affects the soul besides those that have an ultimate skill. If Hex's are the equivelent of curses then Rimuru resists them. Can you clarify whether Hexes are more related to magic or curses? I don't believe a Rimuru created with Multiple Parallel Existences is affected by Soul attacks, but @Celestial Pegasus can correct me.
"Yeah, Rimuru would blitz but can he go past Meng Hao Regenerationn/immortality?"
Doesn't apply. Rimuru doesn't "absorb" him in a way that destroys him. It's a seal.
"Can he truly resist Meng Hao Existence Erasure that is instant once Meng Hao sees his karma threads? "
This is resisted FRA.
"Meng Hao can interact with nonphysical things and even things in separated dimensions be them closed or not as he did with Ji Nineteen."
How many dimensions? Because its a completely seperate reality[Universe?] outside of actual spacetime. It isn't a real space. I don't know if normal rules would apply here. Plus Rimuru can make multiple different pocket dimensions. @Celestial Pegasus Would be able to confirm this.
"How good is Rimuru Mind resistance? Meng Hao can control/erase/force to kill himself/ destroy the mind of other beings."
Spirtual life forms are not affected. Because you can do what ever you want to their mind, but they think using their soul.
"How long is Rimuru life in this key? because Meng Hao can age him 100k years instantly with only stabbing him once with a sword tip."
Life span attacks are irrelevant, even though it isn't in his profile, I'm pretty sure because he is a spirtual life form at his 4-C keys, he doesn't have a life span. As described here .
"Meng Hao also has Conceptual Statistics Amplification, thanks to his Second Severing that let him go beyond Perfection without limit. "
You'll need to elaborate here. I don't exactly understand what "Perfection" is refering to.
"He also has the Demon Weapon Lonelytomb, a weapon that attacks the soul and has a power of extermination that once throws is auto-locking on that person."
Rimuru can just devour the weapon to neutralize it and create an exact copy. Unless it is resistant to its own destruction.
"He also has the Lightning Cauldron that can break any space barrier through the displacement of his or of his enemies."
"He also has his Dharma Idol, a being that is created from his will (think of Susanoo from Naruto) but looks like him. This is a being like an actual Idol that people can pray and gain power(like a religious Idol). It's aura alone was enough to twist and break the natural and magical Laws of the World."
Rimuru, I believe, at these keys, has a barrier that absorbs all physical attacks (including spacial attacks) and turns it into energy. He also has spacial attacks which can cut through space itself, which would be able to *probably* deal with the Dharma doll.
"His most powerful thing is his Sealing that can seal almost anything in this Realm as he sealed the Lightning Tribulation that could destroy the body and the souls instantly of being such as him. It's a an attack from the Universe itself - more like Ji Tian that becomes the Heaven in primordial times."
You'll need to describe this in a bit more detail. If it takes any time to activate, then Rimuru can rush.
Also, @Celestial Pegasus since Demon Lord's Ambition is considered a type of Empathetic Manipulation, does Resistance to Mind Manipulation automatically make you resistant to its effects?
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@Jaw Meng would be fighting a clone, while the real one is in imaginary space, doesn't matter what happens to the clone as long as you can't affect the real one, no harm can come to rimuru, he can't die as long as the clone exists. The clones are linked with soul corrider though, which makes their memories transcend space-time and are accumulated within each other, though rimuru can cut the link.
Rimuru can indeed make pocket dimenensions inside imaginary space.
Being an ultimate skill users does give rimuru resistance to demon lord's ambition, regardless of that fodder holy knights resisted it when diablo used it on them, so rimuru can as well.
Rimuru can indeed make pocket dimenensions inside imaginary space.
Being an ultimate skill users does give rimuru resistance to demon lord's ambition, regardless of that fodder holy knights resisted it when diablo used it on them, so rimuru can as well.
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Not arguing who wins, but from what it's been shown here, I don't think Rimuru's clone thing would survive be able to resist a soul attack from Meng. His feats don't seem too great in that regard
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Meng has 1-C range so he would be able to get to Imaginary Space.
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How does he have 1-C range?
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Ok, Ji Nineteen was in another Dimension/plane of existence that was controled by Ji Tian, the Lord of the Ninth Mountain and Sea, a existence on 5-Essence Dao Realm (meaning 1-C). Meng Hao could see him and attacked him through it and then took his soul to become his second lighting soul.
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He can just think and you are stopped by those spaces. Hexes do not curse but are unique magic that uses demonic qi that can only be used by the League of Demon Sealers.
Meng Hao also has absorb that is potent to absorb their existence as well. Sealings are Meng Hao specializations.
Meng Hao existence erasure wouldn't just erase the clone but anything related to it. Example: a clone of one villain that kidnapped his friend was before him, he instantly severed his karmic threads and because the clone and the original had a karmic connection, both were erased at the same time, because as long as you don't transcend the Karma, you still have it.
Exactly what I said above. Even the fodder in this verse attack directly the soul be it for destruction or mind manipulation. Every being at or above Nascent Soul Realm can exist even if the body is destroyed, as long as their souls are not destroyed they can recreate one. When they attack in any way, the soul is affected because the body is more or less protection.
Ji Nineteen was in another dimension/plane of existence that was the place of the elders of Ji Clan. All those elders of Ji Clan can destroy the whole universe as easy as breathing and Meng Hao using the Banner of Mountains and Sea suppressed his Realm to the same of Meng Hao (this was 4 Realms difference) and then pulled him from there to his place, destroying his body while preserving his soul to be used later.
Meng Hao second Severing was the Severing of Perfection, by cutting it from his existence as he was already a perfect being and thanks to that he was limited as "if you're perfect then what could you improvise more" and to not have that concept on him he severed it away. By severing it, his future becomes limitless and boundless as his potential is infinite. Immediately after that, he gained insight into the Eternal Stratum that made him practically immortal, as long as you can't destroy him in body-soul-mind at the same time, he will always regenerate instantly. He can adapt and increase his stats as long as he gains insight into the myriad of things in existence.
The Demon Weapon Lonelytomb is an artifact created by Lord Li - the creator of the Third Hex, is a being that half-stepped on Transcendence (meaning he was borderline 1-A). It's a weapon with a bloodlust so tenacious that it can drive the beings that see it to madness and has a power of extermination on it, once throw it will auto-lock on you and directly exterminate your soul. Rimuru may resist it as it's power is not the same as Lord Li, but to destroy or absorb it? Dream on. Even at his strongest Key he could only maybe scratch it. Meng Hao also has the Copper Mirror which can duplicate anything, but not a simple duplicate, it's a power to clone thing is so potent that they are 100% same.
His Dharma Idol and respectively Meng Hao, don't attack physical the natural/magical laws but wills them into existence or destroy them by mere presence. He did that as soon as he stepped on Dao Seeking Realm (he even reached instantly half-step Immortal) and willed all other cultivators that were at war to lose they whole realms, never going above Nascent Soul again and become "qi battery" for the next generations and even those born from their bloodlines will not be able to change that as the Law implemented by him will not let anyone ever reach above that tier in the next 100k years.
He can will the Dharma Idola as many times as he can because it's his will.
Ok, so in primordial times, Lord Li had three generals (Fang, Blood Immortal, and Ji). Ji Tian-the general killed Lord Li (that's what he thought) and suppressed the other two generals. By doing so he took the position of the Ninth Lord of the Ninth Mountain and Sea and he became the Heaven - basically, he became one with the Universe. So, those Heavenly Tribulations are a part of natural Universe to kill those that go against it, but as Meng Hao is the MC he had to do something to make the Heavens angry at him (he did a lot). Meaning his tribulation was always trying to kill him more tenacious that normally. Practically, a part of Ji Tian wanted him dead because he was going again the Heaven of Ji (Universe).
And to escape from this Meng Hao sealed it, he sealed a part of Ji Tian. Now, don't say it's just a normal part because every Universe in ISSTH has infinite Universes and Spaces + countless Timeliness and copies of the entire world. Like Wokistan said "a rather high end of 2-A". Ji Tian was one with it and even more as he created a connection with the Xuanwu Turtle making impossible to separate them.
Meng Hao also has absorb that is potent to absorb their existence as well. Sealings are Meng Hao specializations.
Meng Hao existence erasure wouldn't just erase the clone but anything related to it. Example: a clone of one villain that kidnapped his friend was before him, he instantly severed his karmic threads and because the clone and the original had a karmic connection, both were erased at the same time, because as long as you don't transcend the Karma, you still have it.
Exactly what I said above. Even the fodder in this verse attack directly the soul be it for destruction or mind manipulation. Every being at or above Nascent Soul Realm can exist even if the body is destroyed, as long as their souls are not destroyed they can recreate one. When they attack in any way, the soul is affected because the body is more or less protection.
Ji Nineteen was in another dimension/plane of existence that was the place of the elders of Ji Clan. All those elders of Ji Clan can destroy the whole universe as easy as breathing and Meng Hao using the Banner of Mountains and Sea suppressed his Realm to the same of Meng Hao (this was 4 Realms difference) and then pulled him from there to his place, destroying his body while preserving his soul to be used later.
Meng Hao second Severing was the Severing of Perfection, by cutting it from his existence as he was already a perfect being and thanks to that he was limited as "if you're perfect then what could you improvise more" and to not have that concept on him he severed it away. By severing it, his future becomes limitless and boundless as his potential is infinite. Immediately after that, he gained insight into the Eternal Stratum that made him practically immortal, as long as you can't destroy him in body-soul-mind at the same time, he will always regenerate instantly. He can adapt and increase his stats as long as he gains insight into the myriad of things in existence.
The Demon Weapon Lonelytomb is an artifact created by Lord Li - the creator of the Third Hex, is a being that half-stepped on Transcendence (meaning he was borderline 1-A). It's a weapon with a bloodlust so tenacious that it can drive the beings that see it to madness and has a power of extermination on it, once throw it will auto-lock on you and directly exterminate your soul. Rimuru may resist it as it's power is not the same as Lord Li, but to destroy or absorb it? Dream on. Even at his strongest Key he could only maybe scratch it. Meng Hao also has the Copper Mirror which can duplicate anything, but not a simple duplicate, it's a power to clone thing is so potent that they are 100% same.
His Dharma Idol and respectively Meng Hao, don't attack physical the natural/magical laws but wills them into existence or destroy them by mere presence. He did that as soon as he stepped on Dao Seeking Realm (he even reached instantly half-step Immortal) and willed all other cultivators that were at war to lose they whole realms, never going above Nascent Soul again and become "qi battery" for the next generations and even those born from their bloodlines will not be able to change that as the Law implemented by him will not let anyone ever reach above that tier in the next 100k years.
He can will the Dharma Idola as many times as he can because it's his will.
Ok, so in primordial times, Lord Li had three generals (Fang, Blood Immortal, and Ji). Ji Tian-the general killed Lord Li (that's what he thought) and suppressed the other two generals. By doing so he took the position of the Ninth Lord of the Ninth Mountain and Sea and he became the Heaven - basically, he became one with the Universe. So, those Heavenly Tribulations are a part of natural Universe to kill those that go against it, but as Meng Hao is the MC he had to do something to make the Heavens angry at him (he did a lot). Meaning his tribulation was always trying to kill him more tenacious that normally. Practically, a part of Ji Tian wanted him dead because he was going again the Heaven of Ji (Universe).
And to escape from this Meng Hao sealed it, he sealed a part of Ji Tian. Now, don't say it's just a normal part because every Universe in ISSTH has infinite Universes and Spaces + countless Timeliness and copies of the entire world. Like Wokistan said "a rather high end of 2-A". Ji Tian was one with it and even more as he created a connection with the Xuanwu Turtle making impossible to separate them.
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Stellar for all things, but Karma is hax, it's doesn't matter the range.Jaw201 said:
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Anyways. @Zara for your post before the one above:
I'm not convinced. If its thought based, Rimuru can react and move faster than his reaction speed. Once he's sealed, Rimuru analyzes and is able to counter basically everything due to analysis and evolution hacks. Rimuru's clones do not actually contain "souls" and are completely independent existences from Rimuru. Others have already talked about this,but Rimuru should be Resistant to Karmic Manipulation due to having resistance to Fate Manipulation FRA. If Rimuru is able to completely analyize Meng Hao and replicate all of his abilites then its basically over. As an example, when he fought Yukki before being BFR'd, he completely analyized and replicated a completely unknown ability in only a couple of "seconds" (It was an unknown amount of time but only a few moments in the already slowed down perception and reaction speed between the two). And any argument arguing about what Rimuru can or can't absorb is not valid. He is stated to be able to absorb or store and process anything. Unless the weapon itself has the ability to escape extra dimensional space, then it can both be stored/absorbed and processed/analyized and a replica can be made. Even Rimuru rushing and absorbing a small portion of Meng Hao means he equalizes their abilities the next time he comes back, and has a counter for everything already prepared because he gains the abilities of those he absorbs. And will be able to seal/defeat him without issue with the next clone he sends.
I'm not convinced. If its thought based, Rimuru can react and move faster than his reaction speed. Once he's sealed, Rimuru analyzes and is able to counter basically everything due to analysis and evolution hacks. Rimuru's clones do not actually contain "souls" and are completely independent existences from Rimuru. Others have already talked about this,but Rimuru should be Resistant to Karmic Manipulation due to having resistance to Fate Manipulation FRA. If Rimuru is able to completely analyize Meng Hao and replicate all of his abilites then its basically over. As an example, when he fought Yukki before being BFR'd, he completely analyized and replicated a completely unknown ability in only a couple of "seconds" (It was an unknown amount of time but only a few moments in the already slowed down perception and reaction speed between the two). And any argument arguing about what Rimuru can or can't absorb is not valid. He is stated to be able to absorb or store and process anything. Unless the weapon itself has the ability to escape extra dimensional space, then it can both be stored/absorbed and processed/analyized and a replica can be made. Even Rimuru rushing and absorbing a small portion of Meng Hao means he equalizes their abilities the next time he comes back, and has a counter for everything already prepared because he gains the abilities of those he absorbs. And will be able to seal/defeat him without issue with the next clone he sends.
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In ISSTH, strength of soul is connected to the cultivation base. If the cultvation base is "powered down" or "restricted", then likewise is the power/potency of the soul. So soul haxing a powered down opponent is not equivalent to having a soul hax on the level of the full-powered version of that opponent's soul. Not to mention Rimuru's Uriel should block any sort of "aura" from even reaching him.
I see that a lot of so-called "feats" for Meng Hao here seem to be based on certain special circumstances that are presented as if Meng Hao could normally use them, even though he cannot.
I see that a lot of so-called "feats" for Meng Hao here seem to be based on certain special circumstances that are presented as if Meng Hao could normally use them, even though he cannot.
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It says Stellar on the vs page.
Stellar for all things, but Karma is hax, it's doesn't matter the range.
You can have a higher range with hax or a specific ability than you normally have.
Stellar for all things, but Karma is hax, it's doesn't matter the range.
You can have a higher range with hax or a specific ability than you normally have.
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What do you mean by saying Rimuru is powered down/restricted?
What do you mean by saying Rimuru is powered down/restricted?
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I wasn't talking about Rimuru, but about Meng Hao soul haxing higher level entities not being as strong as it has been presented here because their cultivation bases were restricted, which means that their soul hax defense were powered down too to the same level.
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Like I said Meng Hao also has "Absorb" hack how you say it. It was even able at this key to absorb the towering clouds of the Heavenly Tribulation that were clouding the whole Planet East Victory (at the lowest the planet is at least 100x our Sun). He also has resistance to it.
Like I said it doesn't matter if it has a soul or not. Like how you see the world and it objects/colors/etc, Meng Hao has an additional sense that let him see the karmic threads.
"Regardless of neo-demon or Cultivator, even the mountains and rivers, all things in the world, were filled with vast quantities of these threads. They spread out, connected together, even to the earthworm man up in the air. Everything and everyone was connected together into something like an enormous, living web.
Anything 'seen' or remembered caused a merging of Karma strings, connecting everything."
As you can everything not only the living beings have them, as I stated above. Everything is connected. Once the clone and Meng Hao start the battle their Karma is connected. You say he resist Karma directly at him (I don't believe he meets someone who specialized and has such potent Karma, but let it be like you). Meng Hao doesn't need to sever it's Rimuru threads to EE but can simple sever the whole world Karmic threads that Universe has to him, by doing so he is expelled from that Universe. No chance to come back as he would have to fight the Universe itself to get back. This is not a simple BFR, but a permanent one. The only chance is to destroy the Universe.
Meng Hao also can analyze things to the smallest things in existence, even their soul/mind is analyzed. He doesn't need like Rimuru to eat/absorb it to do that. He simple know it as for him is like a passive aura that is always one - Divine Sense.
Meng Hao will instantly know that Rimuru is a clone, you think this is the first time he fought with clones? Like I said by Karmic threads and Divine Sense he will know instantly.
It's impossible to clone Lonelytomb, as its a weapon made by Lord Li.
Once the Banner of Mountain and Sea is out which will be once Meng Hao see Rimuru's Karma, it wouldn't matter if he is or not in the Imaginary Space.
Meng Hao had a lot of equipment through the whole Spirit Realm. He has the Blood Mastiff a being of Spirit Severing level at least that can impose a domain that will reduce the potential of the enemy. He has his countless Pills that can do anything and Meng Hao has reached the Dao of Alchemy meaning he can create them from nothing, willing them in existence.
There is also the Alcohol Sword Qi that had let him use three attacks at the power of the Immortal Realm, meaning that even the weakest attack of this key can shake the entire starry sky.
He also gained the Life-Death Hex here which let him kill beings or control their essence of life. How good is Rimuru resistance to Instant Death that strikes its essence?
His Reproaching Seal can seal Rimuru Magic once used.
In ISSTH, the base cultivation, the soul and the body are separated. No, if the base is cultivated, his soul is weakened too. Only the cultivation base was. He didn't suppress their cultivation many times, usually, it's Meng Hao some realms below fighting with stronger ones.
Like I said it doesn't matter if it has a soul or not. Like how you see the world and it objects/colors/etc, Meng Hao has an additional sense that let him see the karmic threads.
"Regardless of neo-demon or Cultivator, even the mountains and rivers, all things in the world, were filled with vast quantities of these threads. They spread out, connected together, even to the earthworm man up in the air. Everything and everyone was connected together into something like an enormous, living web.
Anything 'seen' or remembered caused a merging of Karma strings, connecting everything."
As you can everything not only the living beings have them, as I stated above. Everything is connected. Once the clone and Meng Hao start the battle their Karma is connected. You say he resist Karma directly at him (I don't believe he meets someone who specialized and has such potent Karma, but let it be like you). Meng Hao doesn't need to sever it's Rimuru threads to EE but can simple sever the whole world Karmic threads that Universe has to him, by doing so he is expelled from that Universe. No chance to come back as he would have to fight the Universe itself to get back. This is not a simple BFR, but a permanent one. The only chance is to destroy the Universe.
Meng Hao also can analyze things to the smallest things in existence, even their soul/mind is analyzed. He doesn't need like Rimuru to eat/absorb it to do that. He simple know it as for him is like a passive aura that is always one - Divine Sense.
Meng Hao will instantly know that Rimuru is a clone, you think this is the first time he fought with clones? Like I said by Karmic threads and Divine Sense he will know instantly.
It's impossible to clone Lonelytomb, as its a weapon made by Lord Li.
Once the Banner of Mountain and Sea is out which will be once Meng Hao see Rimuru's Karma, it wouldn't matter if he is or not in the Imaginary Space.
Meng Hao had a lot of equipment through the whole Spirit Realm. He has the Blood Mastiff a being of Spirit Severing level at least that can impose a domain that will reduce the potential of the enemy. He has his countless Pills that can do anything and Meng Hao has reached the Dao of Alchemy meaning he can create them from nothing, willing them in existence.
There is also the Alcohol Sword Qi that had let him use three attacks at the power of the Immortal Realm, meaning that even the weakest attack of this key can shake the entire starry sky.
He also gained the Life-Death Hex here which let him kill beings or control their essence of life. How good is Rimuru resistance to Instant Death that strikes its essence?
His Reproaching Seal can seal Rimuru Magic once used.
In ISSTH, the base cultivation, the soul and the body are separated. No, if the base is cultivated, his soul is weakened too. Only the cultivation base was. He didn't suppress their cultivation many times, usually, it's Meng Hao some realms below fighting with stronger ones.
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Yeah, but even if the people he haxed had no resistance, then his soul hax would still be better than Rimuru's because he soul haxed hundreds of thousands.NeoSuperior said:
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@ Zaratthustra
You are contradicting yourself now. Earlier you (or someone from your side) said that cultivation raises the power of the soul too and used that as proof for Meng Hao's soul hax potency. Now you claim that it's not connected. Make up your mind already.
You are contradicting yourself now. Earlier you (or someone from your side) said that cultivation raises the power of the soul too and used that as proof for Meng Hao's soul hax potency. Now you claim that it's not connected. Make up your mind already.
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Yeah, but even if the people he haxed had no resistance, then his soul hax would still be better than Rimuru's because he soul haxed hundreds of thousands.
Quantity is meaningless for Rimuru's type of soulhax. It's quality that counts.
Also Rimuru has soul connections to over a million souls so Rimuru doesn't lose in quantity either and he can control them perfectly, can destroy or collect the controlled souls at any time whenever he wishes. He can even gain their powers (without the target losing their power), and give them new powers or take their powers away.
Quantity is meaningless for Rimuru's type of soulhax. It's quality that counts.
Also Rimuru has soul connections to over a million souls so Rimuru doesn't lose in quantity either and he can control them perfectly, can destroy or collect the controlled souls at any time whenever he wishes. He can even gain their powers (without the target losing their power), and give them new powers or take their powers away.
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"Quantity is meaningless for Rimuru's type of soulhax. It's quality that counts."
On this wiki, things like soul hax and mind hax are determined in potency by the amount of people that it works on. Tier doesn't matter for it (ignoring higher dimensional hax.). A character who is able to mind hax a planet of 9-B's has better mind hax then a character who is able to mindhax a room of High 6-A's.
"Also Rimuru has soul connections to millions of souls"
Edit: What is a soul connection?
On this wiki, things like soul hax and mind hax are determined in potency by the amount of people that it works on. Tier doesn't matter for it (ignoring higher dimensional hax.). A character who is able to mind hax a planet of 9-B's has better mind hax then a character who is able to mindhax a room of High 6-A's.
"Also Rimuru has soul connections to millions of souls"
Edit: What is a soul connection?
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Yeah, the stronger your cultivation base is the stronger your soul could be, but it won't be supressed if your cultivation base it. I didn't contradict myself ever in this thread.
Yeah, cause millions of people that are continental level at best as someone above said (he was on Rimuru side), can compare to at least 100k of them that can destroy a planet on their own. You talk about people who cultivate their fleshly body and their soul. People who can simple breake the natural magical Laws of the world starting from Spirit Severing and implementing their own Lawn upon reality.
Here Rimuru has the quantity, not Meng Hao - he has he quality, It's exactly the reverse situation. He could do the same by controlling them, collecting them, giving them power by using Demonic Qi or take it. Meng Hao like I said above at this realm was able to implement Laws on reality for 100k years. Rimuru didn't even do something like this for a fraction in this Key.
Yeah, cause millions of people that are continental level at best as someone above said (he was on Rimuru side), can compare to at least 100k of them that can destroy a planet on their own. You talk about people who cultivate their fleshly body and their soul. People who can simple breake the natural magical Laws of the world starting from Spirit Severing and implementing their own Lawn upon reality.
Here Rimuru has the quantity, not Meng Hao - he has he quality, It's exactly the reverse situation. He could do the same by controlling them, collecting them, giving them power by using Demonic Qi or take it. Meng Hao like I said above at this realm was able to implement Laws on reality for 100k years. Rimuru didn't even do something like this for a fraction in this Key.
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And do you think soul hax is not resisted in ISSTH? That's one of the most basic thing in novel. It's start from Foundation Establisment Realm, the second weakest realm. I'm sure I told you this in the earlier comments.GLHF22 said:
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Here.Zaratthustra said:
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One of you is saying AP matters for soul hax, the other says it doesn't...
@ DragonEmperor23:
It's basically like a soul-hax version of karma with which Rimuru can grant his powers to his subordinates that most suit them (Rimuru doesn't lose his power through that) and gain their powers likewise. After a Soul Corridor is established, he also can gain pretty much all powers of his subordinates that way if they improved later on, though he can also remove powers from them if he ever wanted to.
Furthermore everyone who gets affected by Rimuru's soul hax get into a soul connection with him as well. He let his subordinates kill a million enemy souldiers and the souls of the dead automatically were collected by Rimuru, taking their "essence soul power" for his own uses and using the remainder of the souls to resurrect every single dead soldier in one go whose souls were then under Rimuru's perfect control. They still had their mind and reasoning and could recover whatever power/energy/essence they might have lost in the process too, but Rimuru could destroy, strengthen, or weaken their souls them just with his thought at that point, just like his subordinates. Rimuru can also cut any of the soul corridors at any time.
Oh and by the way, pretty much most of the powers and hax are inscribed within the soul in Slimeverse, which carries the burden of all that so needs to be strong enough to "carry" all that, while IIRC for ISSTHverse cultivators it's mostly spread into different things like cultivation base and fleshly body.
One of you is saying AP matters for soul hax, the other says it doesn't...
@ DragonEmperor23:
It's basically like a soul-hax version of karma with which Rimuru can grant his powers to his subordinates that most suit them (Rimuru doesn't lose his power through that) and gain their powers likewise. After a Soul Corridor is established, he also can gain pretty much all powers of his subordinates that way if they improved later on, though he can also remove powers from them if he ever wanted to.
Furthermore everyone who gets affected by Rimuru's soul hax get into a soul connection with him as well. He let his subordinates kill a million enemy souldiers and the souls of the dead automatically were collected by Rimuru, taking their "essence soul power" for his own uses and using the remainder of the souls to resurrect every single dead soldier in one go whose souls were then under Rimuru's perfect control. They still had their mind and reasoning and could recover whatever power/energy/essence they might have lost in the process too, but Rimuru could destroy, strengthen, or weaken their souls them just with his thought at that point, just like his subordinates. Rimuru can also cut any of the soul corridors at any time.
Oh and by the way, pretty much most of the powers and hax are inscribed within the soul in Slimeverse, which carries the burden of all that so needs to be strong enough to "carry" all that, while IIRC for ISSTHverse cultivators it's mostly spread into different things like cultivation base and fleshly body.
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"Spiritual Sense! He's not just coalescing his Cultivation base, he's adding Spiritual Sense into the fist attack! That makes the fist… capable of striking directly to the Cultivation base!"GLHF22 said:
"For the first time in the battle, the azure-masked Cultivator sensed a profound feeling of danger. As he floated there within the soul"
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So, fodders have souls resist but the higher not? Are you serious now?
From Foundation Establishment they start to directly attack the soul and with each realm its a qualitative change.
And from Nascent Soul Realm they can survive without a body, just as a soul and can recreate it how many times they want - this already Low-Godly regen.
I will have to post here whole pages to show the feats of soul hax. Go on Meng Hao profile and take a look there, or go on my blogs for better explanations or feats.
I will post them here if you truly want but in 30-40 mins as I'm on phone now and not home.
From Foundation Establishment they start to directly attack the soul and with each realm its a qualitative change.
And from Nascent Soul Realm they can survive without a body, just as a soul and can recreate it how many times they want - this already Low-Godly regen.
I will have to post here whole pages to show the feats of soul hax. Go on Meng Hao profile and take a look there, or go on my blogs for better explanations or feats.
I will post them here if you truly want but in 30-40 mins as I'm on phone now and not home.
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Wait, you are actually proving my point here: Nascent Soul Realm is part of the cultivation progress, in other words the soul is directly linked to it. Ji Nineteen got his cultivation suppressed to the Core Formation stage which is below Nascent Soul Realm, which means soul-related stuff got depowered too.
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Meng slaughtered hundreds of Peak Dao Seeking Cultivators in body and soul, easily. Each one of them has souls that can use magical techniques, and, although weaker, are comparable in power to their regular selves with bodies.
Basically, Meng fodderizes hundreds of souls all in the Star Level range. Regular mortal souls are really nothing compared to this. Even one Peak Dao Seeking soul would be millions of times more powerful than a Nascent Soul, and those can already survive out of their bodies, use several magic techniques and unleash mountain level attacks.
Basically, Meng fodderizes hundreds of souls all in the Star Level range. Regular mortal souls are really nothing compared to this. Even one Peak Dao Seeking soul would be millions of times more powerful than a Nascent Soul, and those can already survive out of their bodies, use several magic techniques and unleash mountain level attacks.
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