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No direct link between being acausal and being uninteractable, reads like Nonexistent Physiology makes them untouchable and they are also acausal.
Current scans (in the thread) that the profile links to isn't enough for Acausality Type 5, so if he does apply we would need the evidence.@Everything12 would Oryx count for the new standards for type 5 given his ascendant status renders him untouchable which include causality being unbounded as a result?
I have doubts that even qualified for the old Acausality Type 5 standards.Excuse me, dropping this for review as I find it iffy (No hate on the character):
Ruphas Mafahl
Acausality (Type 5; When someone becomes a deity, their human self vanished from history as if they never existed[29]. Providence also doesn't exist for deities)
Is she up to standard?
Afaik, the main supporters are Pegasus. Hope he can clarify.
It's Nonexistent Physiology which lacks causality. Why are we treating it as just NEP when it is both NEP and Acausality in one, which both help in not being interactable?No direct link between being acausal and being uninteractable, reads like Nonexistent Physiology makes them untouchable and they are also acausal.
Don't disagree with any of this, but...It's Nonexistent Physiology which lacks causality.
Doesn't having the evidence required to prove that he is uninteractable because he is acausal and not just because he's Nonexistent.Why are we treating it as just NEP when it is both NEP and Acausality in one, which both help in not being interactable?
His source is type 5 not type 4 tho.
Probably.rather than being acausal type 5. Lack of causality is probably what he has or that causality in his source is irrelevant. Shouldn't that be a Type 5 aspect of NEP?
In fact his nothingness is state that beyond order(in this context then it beyond causality)Don't disagree with any of this, but...
Doesn't having the evidence required to prove that he is uninteractable because he is acausal and not just because he's Nonexistent.
He has evidence that proves he is uninteractable because he's Nonexistent, he has evidence that proves his Nonexistence is acausal, but he doesn't have proof that his Acausality specifically makes him uninteractable.
The evidence that proves he is uninteractable makes it clear that it is because he is Nonexistent and makes not hint towards it being because of being acausal. With their being no other evidence presented that equates acausal to uninteractable.
We can't link his Nonexistence makes him untouchable and his Nonexistence is acausal, to his Nonexistence making him untouchable because of being acasual without any actual evidence that supports acausal = uninteractable.
Still doesn't.There is a statement from Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook confirmed Madoka transcend causality
Plus she has some statement like became an existence which is no longer a part of the universe, with nobody being able to neither interact with nor remember her anymore as she's now completely outside time, cause and effect, without any kind of connection to the world. Does she qualify for the new Acausality Type 5 now, Everything12?
13 全ての魔法少女が救われる方法は?
悩だまどかは、ついに自らの祈りを口にして、妖精と契約を果たす。
「過去と未来のすべての魔女を滅 ぼす存在になりたい」
時空を越えた遠大な祈りによって、最強最悪の魔女となる運命を決定づけられるまどか。
だが遠い時間の果てで、宇宙を破壊せんとする魔女:まどかの前に、究極魔法少女:まどかが立ちはだかる。
あらゆる時間軸、あらゆる平行宇宙において、魔法少女の末路である魔女たちを浄化していくまどか。
その結末を報された全宇宙の魔法少女たちは、絶望から立ち直り、新たな希望を胸に各々の戦いへと身を投じていく。
時間と空間と因果を超越してしまった存在となったまどかは、もう人間としての生活を営できない。 あらゆる時間軸に偏在する「魔法少女たちの希望」という概念に成り果てでしまう。
人間としての自意識が拡散してしまう寸前に、ほむらと別れを交わすまどか。
まどかは全ての平行世界を見渡すことで、かつてほむらが繰り返してきた複数の時間、幾度となく繰り返された二人の友情と想いを理解する。
「ありがとうーーいつだって、ほむらは私の 友達だったーー」
涙に暮れるほむら。だがまどかの決意は の未来をも救済するものだった。友の想いを胸に、自らの時間軸で運命と向き合う決意を固めるほむら。
最後にまどかは、自らの過去へと跳躍し、かつての平和だった優しい日々を覗き見して追体験しながら、その愛しさを噛み締める。
13 How can all magical girls be saved?
Madoka, troubled, finally says her prayer and makes a contract with the fairy.
"I want to be the one to destroy all witches, past and future."
Through her far-reaching prayer that transcends time and space, Madoka is destined to become the strongest and worst witch in the world.
But at the end of time, the Ultimate Magical Girl: Madoka stands in the way of the Witch: Madoka, who wants to destroy the universe.
In every timeline and parallel universe, Madoka purifies the witches who are the end of magical girls.
Magical girls throughout the universe are informed of the outcome, and they recover from their despair and throw themselves into their own battles with renewed hope in their hearts.
Having transcended time, space and causality, Madoka can no longer live her human life. She has become the "hope of magical girls," a concept that is ubiquitous in every timeline.
Just before her self-consciousness as a human being diffuses, Madoka says goodbye to Homura.
By looking over all the parallel worlds, Madoka understands the multiple times Homura has repeated herself in the past, and the friendship and feelings between the two of them that have been repeated over and over again.
"Thank you, Homura...for have always been my friend."
Homura is in tears. However, Madoka's determination to save the future of the world is also salvageable. With the feelings of her friend in her heart, Homura strengthens her resolve to face her destiny in her own time line.
Finally, Madoka leaps into her own past, peeking into the once peaceful and tender days, reliving them and biting back her love for them.
Nope.Does she qualify for the new Acausality Type 5 now, Everything12?
And this?If a "character" have a feat of not being able to be interacted with everything in the verse to the point that you can't even think or describ it for even acausal type 4 character. That it's outside of the world (and every boundary/duality/concept) and transcend the concept of causality (causality magic can't affect it), it is enough?
I also am curious about the 「 」 qualifying for type 5 acausality , since apparently normal mages like souren araya can touch it /interact with it after opening a path to it although they get erased if they touch it?And this?
Bcz the exemple of the feat you tell isn't even possible for it as trying to describe it just become "something" that just an extension of him that he will encompass.
There is also another proof where a chief god uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless
Are we ignoring the fact that Anos has no resistance to Causality Manip? He himself is a misfit (Type 4 Acausal) who exists outside the framework of the world, order and reason? The causality did not affect him in the least and his source is Type 5 by being unbound of order and it is clearly mentioned that the attack that destroys the cause and effect would barely leave a claw mark on his body (because the attack was with a claw) but it could not even affect the resistance of his source.being acausal and being uninteractable
Reads like Acausality Type 4 (which grants a form of Resistance to Causality Manipulation), Nonexistent Physiology Aspect Type 5 for Graham, and maybe some other Resistances if the Acausality Type 4 doesn't cover all the outside Order and Reason stuff.
Nothing, at this point. It seems straight up impossible.So what exactly is enough to prove type 5?
I've went over that in multiple posts in this thread.So what exactly is enough to prove type 5?
They don't touch it but can open a path to approach the root (the localisation so not really []) if they try to approach to much they get erased yeah.I also am curious about the 「 」 qualifying for type 5 acausality , since apparently normal mages like souren araya can touch it /interact with it after opening a path to it although they get erased if they touch it?
Que te llames Acasual y tengas 5 formasSo what exactly is enough to prove type 5?
How it is acc type 4 when there is a statement that he is impossible to be interacted with + he is beyond the causality.Reads like Acausality Type 4 (which grants a form of Resistance to Causality Manipulation), Nonexistent Physiology Aspect Type 5 for Graham, and maybe some other Resistances if the Acausality Type 4 doesn't cover all the outside Order and Reason stuff.
It is however not suitable evidence for Acausality Type 5.
Graham's nothingness isn't saying anything about resistance. He clearly mentioned his true form is without reason(logic and Casuality). Order already keeps the Casualty as subset. The scans are already in his profile. Type 4 is for their normal bodies type 5 is for true form and root. You can easily break Resistance in MG if you have enough AP. Don't see why would that be an resistance when it was never shown or stated.Reads like Acausality Type 4 (which grants a form of Resistance to Causality Manipulation), Nonexistent Physiology Aspect Type 5 for Graham, and maybe some other Resistances if the Acausality Type 4 doesn't cover all the outside Order and Reason stuff.
It is however not suitable evidence for Acausality Type 5.
Considering this is how the standards were supposed to really be when ability was otiginaly made, I'd imagine there to be someone who qualifies(probably a verse that's written to be powerful and high tier) otherwise it would''ve never been an actual ability. If there really is no one then we either delete it or it goes back to old standards.So... Why don't we nuke type 5?
I concur with this.Hahahaha, just nuke type 5.
I cannot think of a singular verse that qualifies for type 5 bar verses that reach 1-A, it is just CM, TES, MT, SCP etc that would get the power, no one else.
We have literally just gone full circle, back to when aca type 5 was only for 1-A and up characters and everyone else got type 4.
Sasuga vsbw-sama
It was always supposed to be that way.Looking at the new standards, is Type 5 just suddenly this rare ability that like, anyone can hardly obtain? Because that is most definitely what it feels like.
This is a Wiki devoted to reliably indexing fictional characters. Not our problem if the simple logic of Acausality meaning that a person can't be affected by any effect is not presented by certain series.
Last question and I'll not get involved in this.Huh, so if I understand you Graham gets aspect 5 by lacking order (Duality, Transduality, Causality, and everything related to the whole order in Maou Gakuin? Creation, Destruction, Demise, Disorder and even order of absurdity which is transcendent to the other orders and is the opposition to all order which would be neither 1 and 0 and at the same time 1 and 0.) including reason which is way above order?
And what about Anos.... Anos' source is hypothesised to be "chaos" itself, which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", which includes the Order of Causality that governs the world's system of causality. Order in general follows a system of dualities. There is no causality for Anos either, so what is it for you?
Mind you those where mentioned at the start and some don't even have justificationsI cannot think of a singular verse that qualifies for type 5 bar verses that reach 1-A, it is just CM, TES, MT, SCP etc that would get the power, no one else.
We have literally just gone full circle, back to when aca type 5 was only for 1-A and up characters and everyone else got type 4.
Sasuga vsbw-sama
Something to that affect, this isn't the thread to discuss this.Huh, so if I understand you Graham gets aspect 5 by lacking order (Duality, Transduality, Causality, and everything related to the whole order in Maou Gakuin? Creation, Destruction, Demise, Disorder and even order of absurdity which is transcendent to the other orders and is the opposition to all order which would be neither 1 and 0 and at the same time 1 and 0.) including reason which is way above order?
Transduality. No clue what Type, haven't checked the results of the thread yet.And what about Anos.... Anos' source is hypothesised to be "chaos" itself, which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", which includes the Order of Causality that governs the world's system of causality. Order in general follows a system of dualities. There is no causality for Anos either, so what is it for you?
Well that's a completely different issue that shouldn't have been a thing.Mind you those where mentioned at the start and some don't even have justifications
Yes, because they literally all have statements or showings of being beyond change/being changelessDo those verses really have the statement needed? If it's just because of transcending their own verse because they are 1-A and above it doesn't qualify