PrinceofPein
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Not necessary, again. You can report anytime the individuals to RvR if you feel yourself that this is report worthy.
But my point stands; there are no hard rules for this.
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Not necessary, again. You can report anytime the individuals to RvR if you feel yourself that this is report worthy.
But my point stands; there are no hard rules for this.
Sure.The realm Nirvana is a higher dimensional place that non-ascended people can't move through. This a restriction caused by their own limitations which is a product of their own physiology no?
No, because you haven't shown anything suggesting it is a "direction" rather than a higher plane.It's a higher dimensional place, that you can only achieve by accessing yourself. Doesn't that mean you must be able to move in said direction?
I am aware.It's a place a lower dimensional beings can't enter.
None of the scans have indicated an additional spatial dimension.That seems unlikely considering Mori is also existing in the past and present simultaneously, and irrc time also has it's own axis. The way Mori moves isn't something lower-dimensional beings can do from what I recall, since he's moving in a temporal direction, and spatial direction that's incomprehensible to lower-dimensional beings. Why would those interactions not be considered 4D?
None of the scans suggest that the higher dimension has increased spatiality.Mori should have higher spatial dimensionality, considering he's moving through space that lower dimensional beings cannot. It's a higher dimensional plane that they physically cannot move through.
Sure, we can now move on.I do not like reporting users that are not you in the RVR
The universe itself is 4-D in terms of having a temporal dimension. Interacting with the universe doesn't mean you have an additional spatial dimension. The existence of such a thing isn't affirmed by any of these scans, so there's just not enough here to think of Mori as having an extra spatial dimension or Nirvana having one.What I think gives some credence to Mori being 4-D besides the general transcendence of the universe is the that concept of 4-dimensional logic exists within the verse which is noted when a portal into different realms is created, which shows some awareness and understanding of higher dimensions by the author and somewhat reinforces Mori becoming 4-D. I also think with the fact the Mori is able to balance the and fix the universe which would generally be a 4-D feat would also indicate his level of existence, essentially being able to perform these feats after transcending to a higher being.
Looking at the HDE page to me it does seem that Mori could potentially be 4-D. Although I would like to hear your thoughts.
Your points here are theseTo outline what Nirvana is which has been done a bit but anyways. @Firestorm808 @Deagonx @LordGriffin1000
Paradise (Nirvana) is a higher dimensional plane of existence within the the God of High School verse. Within Nirvana space and time overlap (more directly space-time itself overlap as outlined here by Karma) within it. Beings who ascend to this level of existence are noted to become beings of higher dimensions such as Satan being seeing Xuanzang's avatar and described in other instances. As this higher being, Mori is capable of overseeing all of creation and have the power to fix and balance the universe such as the dimensional cracks across the universe. When ascending to this level of existence the person becomes free from the laws of nature and discard their physicals forms and become all-power spirits (it can be seen as transcending their physical form). The beings in this realm can not act within the regular universe and realms without avatars as aforementioned with Xuanzang's avatar protecting Mori and Mori is able to interact across time as the timeline is split into points of time as golden tablets holding those points, as seen when Mori grabbed one at in the chapter it showcases him being the avatar that appeared about 50 odd chapters ago in the flash back.
What I think gives some credence to Mori being 4-D besides the general transcendence of the universe is the that concept of 4-dimensional logic exists within the verse which is noted when a portal into different realms is created, which shows some awareness and understanding of higher dimensions by the author and somewhat reinforces Mori becoming 4-D. I also think with the fact the Mori is able to balance the and fix the universe which would generally be a 4-D feat would also indicate his level of existence, essentially being able to perform these feats after transcending to a higher being.
Looking at the HDE page to me it does seem that Mori could potentially be 4-D. Although I would like to hear your thoughts.
The cosmology for more information regarding the entire cosmology
His avatars exists there
Now read what I am about to say again since this is the 4th time and I am getting frustrated already
To be HDE via existing in multiple places
1. You have to be the one existing and not some sort of avatar or projection
2. You need to exist in every point in time and space.
None of which Mori qualifes for, also the tablet are not his powerset, he did. It create them, they exist in Nirvana already and as a resident he gets to use them.
Mori is not using through 3 dimensional space to get to the realm beyond Nirvana though, because he existed in 3 dimensional space, and the realm beyond Nirvana, simultaneously so he has to be traveling through some medium no?. He did not need to move his body through 3 dimensional space to get there, because as he was talking with Xuanzang in the realm beyond Nirvana, as he was also with baby Taejin, and Ahan, as the earth was about to explode from the fallout between Mujin and Mori. To put it bluntly, Mori went to the realm beyond nirvana and influenced the past of the lower dimension, while also staying in the lower dimension simultaneously.No, because you haven't shown anything suggesting it is a "direction" rather than a higher plane.
None of the scans have indicated an additional spatial dimension.
None of the scans suggest that the higher dimension has increased spatiality.
No, because it could be a spiritual higher planeMori never left his physical location in 3-dimensional space, given how he was also with baby Taejin, and Ahan, yet he clearly went elsewhere, why wouldn't that account for increased spatiality?
Why Wouldn't it affect his physiology, Xuanzang even stated that his ties would be cut if he permanently ascended since he becomes an all powerful spirit? His physiology would definitely be affected.I agree that where one lives shouldn't apply to you own being unless it directly affects your physiology .
Is there any other reasoning to suggest his being has more than 3 dimensions? If not, it should be removed.
Emphasis on spirit. He's not turning into a Klein bottle. This isn't HDE.Why Wouldn't it affect his physiology, Xuanzang even stated that his ties would be cut if he permanently ascended since he becomes an all powerful spirit? His physiology would definitely be affected.
But why why couldn't it be spatially higher, and spiritually higher? Xuangzang stated that he would not become a spirit unless he decided to stay in the realm beyond Nirvana Mori entered Nirvana without being an all powerful spirit. Xuanzang was referred to as a being from a higher dimension, not a spiritually higher plane. This is not to say it can't be both, but it was stated to be dimensionally higher, not spiritually.No, because it could be a spiritual higher plane
He already existed in the realm beyond Nirvana before becoming a spirit, that doesn't happen until endgame.Emphasis on spirit. He's not turning into a Klein bottle. This isn't HDE.
It could, there's just no evidence of it.But why why couldn't it be spatially higher, and spiritually higher?
How is there no evidence? It was already confirmed Mori could live there as an all powerful spirit, yet we also saw that he was able to access it with his physical body without being a spirit?It could, there's just no evidence of it.
Why do you need him to have HDE? You're jumping through hoops over this. I don't get it. There's no evidence of increased spatial dimensions.
Why are you looking for motives? This is irrelevant to the discussionWhy do you need him to have HDE? You're jumping through hoops over this. I don't get it.
I cannot believe the way the arguments for this are simply taking iconic things to mean what they are not.
There are two ways someone ends up, either in hell or in Nirvana.
Mubong after Mori's final battle ended up in hell, while Mori ended up in nirvana. Nirvana means heaven in Buddhist term btw, the highest state of existence where
suffering and pain goes away. In fact she said in his language it would be called heaven.
So yes not everyone can ascend cause not everyone ends up in heaven only those chosen will end up in heaven, not due to some cooked up higher dimensional gaps.
Also when it said place where space and time overlaps, it was referring specifically to nirvana, this are literally what she said "this is the place where space and time overlap, I suppose in your language it would be called heaven" so no she was not referring to the tablets
Read it to context, unless she is calling the tablets heaven, your argument does not work.Yeah I already went over this, she calls nirvana heaven but refers to the tablets as spacetime overlaps. Mori looked at the tablet and he said "this is?" he was clearly referring to the tablets no? She then immediately says these are the points were spacetime overlap. Again Mori rules ALL universes and ALL of creation from that space, which again all have different spacetimes. He was clearly operating outside of their spacetime.
They are working here, maybe cause I am on mobile when I linked them, might have made some mistakesAlso none of your links are working
That was before the standards were updated.
They are not evaluating staffs. Their opinions are valued but they generally do not have voting rights except in calc matters.Are you not counting Clover and KLOL's disagree?
Sure, but again to my earlier point. Mori was existing in the realm beyond nirvana without being a spirit, if it was only a spiritually higher plane, how was he there? why doesn't that count for increased spatiality?That was before the standards were updated.
Context says the points are space-time overlaps. Space-time overlap=universes fabric. We exist in spacetime. She was definitely referring to to the tablet, Mori said "this is" in reference to tablet. He literally affected that spacetime by touching it.Read it to context, unless she is calling the tablets heaven, your argument does not work.
It's like entering a room and touching a painting, and the overseer says this is the president's office, in your language it will be called the oval office
Is she referring to the painting as oval office or the room he is in?
Anyway I am not going to be drawn in, when I am on PC I will apply the changes and have this closed
They are working here, maybe cause I am on mobile when I linked them, might have made some mistakes
Because it doesn't say it involved increased spatiality, and nothing about the situation demands it.Mori was existing in the realm beyond nirvana without being a spirit, if it was only a spiritually higher plane, how was he there? why doesn't that count for increased spatiality?
He entered Nirvana without being a spirit, while not moving through 3 dimensional space, why wouldn't that suggest increased spatiality? And it was already referenced as a higher dimension. A higher dimension with a space that non-ascended beings are unable to enter. Is Mori not extending himself to an actual space, while remaining in the the 3D space? Because from the way I see it, Mori is existing in two places simultaneously within becoming a spirit, If he's not extending himself into the realm beyond nirvana, then what is he doing then?Because it doesn't say it involved increased spatiality, and nothing about the situation demands it.
Because there's no information suggesting Nirvana has increased spatiality.He entered Nirvana without being a spirit, while not moving through 3 dimensional space, why wouldn't that suggest increased spatiality?
Because there's no information suggesting Nirvana has increased spatiality.
I'm like a broken record here. This is becoming extremely tiresome. Nothing about that situation demands higher spatiality. Can you stop asking this same question over and over again?How is simultaneously existing in two spaces not increased spatiality, especially when one is completely independent of the spatial+ temporal structures of the lower space? You do realize the realm of Nirvana can't be affected by the lower dimension, while the Nirvana can affect the lower dimension?
I'm like a broken record here. This is becoming extremely tiresome. Nothing about that situation demands higher spatiality. Can you stop asking this same question over and over again?
Increased spatiality doesn't even actually explain that.If you can't provide an alternative, then I see no reason to believe that Mori does not have increased spatiality because you're not providing any alternative explanations.
How does it not? a 4 dimensional being would be capable of residing in 3 dimensional space and 4 dimensional space simultaneously. It's like the relationship between a 3D object, intersecting a 2D plane. The volume of sphere exist in 3 dimensional space, while the cross section exist in the 2D plane it intersects.Increased spatiality doesn't even actually explain that.
Bruh how? When nirvana doesn't even exist within the 4-D structure of the universe, and resides above it? We have Mori existing outside of that structure, and within it simultaneously, and you're still not offering an alternatives? Because that's basically telling me that you think "I don't know why he can do that, but it has nothing to do with increased spatiality" which isn't even a rebuttal. Nevermind the fact that it was literally referred to as a higher-dimension which clearly operates differently than the lower dimensions.You have no evidence of increased spatiality. I don't even see why you want to argue that given not a single scan mentions it or implies it.
Not in the way you're describing with Mori, but there's nothing indicating Nirvana has an extra dimensional axis either way.How does it not? a 4 dimensional being would be capable of residing in 3 dimensional space and 4 dimensional space simultaneously
This isn't indicative of an additional spatial axis. That what you keep failing to understand. Your continued exasperation that these two things are not connected is getting old. There's no inherent relationship between those two concepts.When nirvana doesn't even exist within the 4-D structure of the universe, and resides above it?
The rebuttal is "you've repeatedly failed to provide any evidence of higher spatial dimensions."We have Mori existing outside of that structure, and within it simultaneously, and you're still not offering an alternatives? Because that's basically telling me that you think "I don't know why he can do that, but it has nothing to do with increased spatiality" which isn't even a rebuttal
Yes, dimensions as in realms, not coordinate axes.Nevermind the fact that it was literally referred to as a higher-dimension which clearly operates differently than the lower dimensions
No. Seeing something as fiction isn't HDE. To have HDE you need an additional spatial axisA question about HDE: Is viewing the entire Universe alongside its entire Axis of time or timeline as fiction grant you HDE? I know on the page it says 3D wouldn't grant you HDE
No. Seeing something as fiction isn't HDE. To have HDE you need an additional spatial axis
I'm not sure. I'm mostly focused on this claim that Mori has an extra spatial dimension that appears to have come from thin air.Hey you never got back to me on wether or not this qualifies as Beyond Dimensional Existence type 2.
This already disproves he has HDE, because he has higher dimensionality via qualitive superiority and not via an extra spatial axis.I'm pretty sure Mori fulfills the higher-dimensional requirement given that he has already demonstrates qualitative superiority in the mathematical sense too.