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Yes. EE negates dura anyway, High 1-A dura would still get washed by basic bitch EE (given there's no HDE shenanigans at play).
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Reinhard fights a high 1A (7-0-0)
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So if Metatron had HDE or stuff true High 1-As have, it would negate the EE and stomp Reinhard?
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I guess it's more that it wouldn't work rather than him negating it, but yes, I believe.
High 1-A HDE here would mean he's literally just too large for Reinhard to affect with EE, so without sufficient range it wouldn't do anything.
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And if it was beyond dimensional existence?
Also, when you mean sufficient range, do you pretty much mean Smurf hax?
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I guess?
Yeah, like "Low 1-C mind manip" for example—pretty sure that's assumed to bypass standard resistances.
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A higher dimensional entity will exist in such a way that their entire body isnt percievable to a smaller entity
If you make a 2D art and try to look at yourself from his pov, all you will see is a line. Even if the 2D chaarcter had a weapon to damage me with, it would at best remove one centimeter or so from me. Leaving me effectively undamaged
Now imagine a 1D character trying to damage a 3D character. They would only take out a point and thats only a difference of 2 dimensions.
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Actually this makes me wonder, what about haxes that dont need to attack your full body. Like for example death hax, would they be able to kill a HDE as well?
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If they haven't been stated to effect something that has HDE, then no. I am pretty sure saying 3-D death hax could effect a 10-D without having been shown to effect 10-D stuff would count as NLF
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For an extreme example, 3-D death hax ain't touching an actual beyond-dimensional 1-A
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3D death hax will only works on infinite^infinite smaller part of the 4D HDE beings.
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It pretty much translates to being insignificant, right?
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Looking back on this, If Metatron's starting move is to EE on a tier 1 level with just a single word then wouldn't that count as an automatic incon?
EE seems to be the only ability he would actually use in combat
They will both EE each other at the same time
EE seems to be the only ability he would actually use in combat
They will both EE each other at the same time
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Wouldn't Metatron use his EE faster since he just needs to utter a word meanwhile Reinhard has to swing his sword?Looking back on this, If Metatron's starting move is to EE on a tier 1 level with just a single word then wouldn't that count as an automatic incon?
EE seems to be the only ability he would actually use in combat
They will both EE each other at the same time
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It actually depends a lot on Reinhard since his godly intuition will always show him "the right answer" plus he is bloodlusted in this situation. Also, in life or death situations he gets a massive speed amp so that might come into play as well
There is also his perception boost of 100x that might allow him to instead go for his mind manipulation which he is usually unlikely to do
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yes this is why im starting to think this is inconclusive
Metatron just needs to utter a single word and Reinhard will also immediately EE
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Godly intuition against an omniscient being ?
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omniscient cant be used crossverse
we dont use omniscience in crossverse matches
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How likely is metatron to instantly EE though
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Then he’d still be at the very least a super genius in intelligence.
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bro what
super genius intelligence is just being able to create High 3-A inventions, creating "impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology"
this is extremely irrelevant to this match
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Intelligence is useless in this matchup huh? Righttt
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u acting like i said something similar to that
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what is this goofy ahh discussion 
he could have prior knowledge and it wouldnt matter if Reinhard manages to pull of his wincon before metatron
he could have prior knowledge and it wouldnt matter if Reinhard manages to pull of his wincon before metatron
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I think Reinhard's Blessing of Initiative would let him move first.Looking back on this, If Metatron's starting move is to EE on a tier 1 level with just a single word then wouldn't that count as an automatic incon?
EE seems to be the only ability he would actually use in combat
They will both EE each other at the same time
Additionally, looking at the page for EE—
And on that note, Reinhard's Blessing of the Phoenix is soul-based resurrection, so...
From what I can tell on Metatron's profile, there doesn't seem to be anything indicating his EE can affect souls, High 1-A as it may be.
tl;dr Reinhard probably strikes first and even if he doesn't, he comes back and strikes second.
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I mean, it is? You're welcome to make a case for how it'd tip the odds in Metatron's favour.
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Based on a recent staff comment, 3D EE doesn't seem able to erase things with higher d durability, only up to High 3-A.
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The wording for that is hard to understand plus Medeus said its a case by case situation, its not like metatron is a HDE/BDE he is still 3D and thus 3D EE would still affect him. In fact in one of the earlier threads it was agreed that 3D EE would work against him
Medaka vs A High 1-A - How Does Hax Work Part 2
Since this thread is pretty decisively leaning towards Medaka being able to beat higher-tiered characters who are still 3-D physically, lets stretch that as far as our site allows. Both combatants will start 10 meters apart, both will be bloodlusted, speed will be equalised, and both will be at...
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I'm not sure about this. Because the High 1-A Metatron is getting comes from being close to the same kind of existence as God. Who does have all the beyond dimensional existence hax and the like.
And here's the conundrum. If you consider Metatron to have High 1-A durability then it comes from being similar to an existence that has all of those powers, which means the reasoning is the exact same as God's if to a lesser extent. Which means the profile is just missing those abilities and Reinhard can't do shit. If you guys are considering him planetary for this thread though, I agree Rein solos.
And here's the conundrum. If you consider Metatron to have High 1-A durability then it comes from being similar to an existence that has all of those powers, which means the reasoning is the exact same as God's if to a lesser extent. Which means the profile is just missing those abilities and Reinhard can't do shit. If you guys are considering him planetary for this thread though, I agree Rein solos.
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Rein FRA
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and we hit grace
