Regarding Cell being a Solar System buster...

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

 

[FanofRPGs]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progression

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progressio

But by feats they're only Large Planet level though. It doesn't matter how much stronger Cell is than them, they shouldn't get an upgrade for that reason.

 

[Addarash]

Just want to point out that even the Kanzenshuu states that Cell is capable of obliterating more than a solar system http://www.kanzenshuu.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/gohan_grade_5.jpg "Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form). An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"

 

[FanofRPGs]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progressio

Okay but based on what?

Well everyone seems to agree Freeza should be red dward level including mods

And by Cell's progression in power, they should be low 4-C

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progressio

Okay but based on what?

Well everyone seems to agree Freeza should be red dward level including mods
And by Cell's progression in power, they should be low 4-C

I edited my post, but is there a calc for Frieza being Red Dwarf level?

 

[FanofRPGs]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progressio

Okay but based on what?

Well everyone seems to agree Freeza should be red dward level including mods
And by Cell's progression in power, they should be low 4-C

I edited my post, but is there a calc for Frieza being Red Dwarf level?

No

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Actually Frieza is kind of a wildcard for me IMO here when it comes to the upgrades though. But if it needs to be consistent with Cells progression in power, then i guess it doesn't hurt to upgrade him and the Androids as well.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Wait, why are we upgrading Frieza and the Androids? I was offline for that.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Actually, there's a calc for Namek's explosion being 2.41 tenatons, which Frieza tanked when bisected, drained of ki and near-death, heck, he didn't even get any notable injuries from it.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

But the thing is that Frieza's power doesn't have to be consistent with Cell's. I mean Cell's power isn't consistent with Buu's either. If Frieza's feats are only calced at Large Planet level then I think he and the Androids should stay at that level.

 

[Addarash]

Just one question though, why are Frieza and the Androids getting an upgrade?

It was also decided Freeza would be low 4-C and that the androids would be small star level+ IIRC, just to be consistent with Cell's progressio

Okay but based on what?

Well everyone seems to agree Freeza should be red dward level including mods
And by Cell's progression in power, they should be low 4-C

I disagree Frieza's durability is much higher by scaling the spirit bomb used on him at 50% which had energy from Namek's star which is much bigger than Earth's sun.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

2.41 tenatons is still Large Planet+. Also, wasn't Frieza nearly like...dead from it? Yes he was severely injured already, but it's not like Namek's explosion didn't contribute to the state King Cold found him in.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I disagree Frieza's durability is much higher by scaling the spirit bomb used on him at 50% which had energy from Namek's star which is much bigger than Earth's sun.

Using energy from Namek's sun =/= star level.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Frieza was, when he was hit by the explosion, bisected by his own ki discs and blasted by Goku's Angry Kamehameha, he seemed to already be dying, but none of his visible injuries were caused by the explosion. Not to mention he caused Namek to explode with that much force at only 70% of his power IIRC.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Frieza was, when he was hit by the explosion, bisected by his own ki discs and blasted by Goku's Angry Kamehameha, he seemed to already be dying, but none of his visible injuries were caused by the explosion. Not to mention he caused Namek to explode with that much force at only 70% of his power IIRC.

• 50% actually

Now all we have to wait is for the speed to be finalized via SDZ's blog tommorow.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Okay if Namek's Explosion was calced at 2.41 tenatons then that's technically still in the Large Planet range despite the circumstances in which he tanked it even if it's close to Small Star level, but I guess it's enough to upgrade Androids 16, 17, and 18 to Small Star level due to how much stronger they were than Frieza. 19 and Dr. Gero should probably stay where they are now since they weren't shown to be more powerful than Frieza.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes, but it's not like he directly blew it up. He messed up the core, causing the planet to explode, meaning you can't directly equate the force of Namek's explosion to his own power. Also, while he was bisected, he was still alive and conscious, while after Namek's explosion he was unconscious and barely even alive had he not been turned into a cyborg. I'm not saying he couldn't have survived it normally, but he didn't exactly shrug it off.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Meh, whatever, I'll leave it alone then. But how should I phrase the note about DBZ Kai being used and who should be upgraded to what?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'm fine with upgrading 16, 17, and 18.

Not so much with Frieza, Gero, and 19 as Valar Melkor said.

 

[GohanLSSJ2]

Yes, but it's not like he directly blew it up. He messed up the core, causing the planet to explode, meaning you can't directly equate the force of Namek's explosion to his own power. Also, while he was bisected, he was still alive and conscious, while after Namek's explosion he was unconscious and barely even alive had he not been turned into a cyborg. I'm not saying he couldn't have survived it normally, but he didn't exactly shrug it off.

Actually, he was also blasted in the face by Goku. And by the looks of it, that was enough for Goku to think Frieza was already dead.

 

[Stefano4444]

2.41 tenatons is still Large Planet+. Also, wasn't Frieza nearly like...dead from it? Yes he was severely injured already, but it's not like Namek's explosion didn't contribute to the state King Cold found him in.

Yes, pretty sure that most of the damage of Frieza was be cause by Goku and not by the Namek's explosion himself.

Also, remember that most Frieza's KI was be gone and Goku has donated a small part of his KI, for permit to Frieza to get away from the explosio, and don't to tank Namek's destruction.

So, Frieza had basically tank a Large Planet+ explosion, when he was nearly death.

If that is not enough to prove that Final Form Frieza can be Small Star Level, then i don't know what to said.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9-mOkAr2GY

 

[Addarash]

2.41 tenatons is still Large Planet+. Also, wasn't Frieza nearly like...dead from it? Yes he was severely injured already, but it's not like Namek's explosion didn't contribute to the state King Cold found him in.

Yes, pretty sure that most of the damage of Frieza was be cause by Goku and not by the Namek's explosion himself.
Also, remember that most Frieza's KI was be gone and Goku has donated a small part of his KI, for permit to Frieza to get away from the explosio, and don't to tank Namek's destruction.

So, Frieza had basically tank a Large Planet+ explosion, when he was nearly death.

If that is not enough to prove that Final Form Frieza can be Small Star Level, then i don't know what to said.


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http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/8.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/9.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/10.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/11.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/12.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c133/13.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9-mOkAr2GY

He did take a planet self destruction with half a body.

 

[Stefano4444]

He did take a planet self destruction with half a body.

And with nearly no KI in his body, most of that donate by Goku to escape and not tank the explosion.

 

[Addarash]

The explosion was huge compared to the other stars surrounding Namek http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c134/10.html

 

[Jeune_fou]

Wait, why are we upgrading Frieza and the Androids? I was offline for that.

If cell becomes an effective ss buster, then others become stronger as well (we limited them simply because they were weaker than cell who wasn't traited as a ss buster).

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah Frieza did had some crazy durability to be able to tank Namek exploding on him after all the things that happened minutes before.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Yeah Frieza did had some crazy durability to be able to tank Namek exploding on him after all the things that happened minutes before.

True. And also Goku could do it it he could survive in space. But if it's just about the explosion, Goku could do it as well.

 

[Addarash]

Goku said that his Ki decreased fighting him. This was after he tanked the spirit which had Ki from 3 stars

 

[Jeune_fou]

Goku said that his Ki decreased fighting him. This was after he tanked the spirit which had Ki from 3 stars

Yup. This is a crazy taking feat. Plus he lost his legs and the half of his left arm. He had only a few ki and even like that he indeed survived the explosion. But you know what's crazier?

The fact he was cuted by Trunk's sword while Goku's finger was even not damaged by it. What I like if db is how quick characters become stronger. The one who was strong yesterday (ex: namek frieza) becomes weak tomorrow.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Goku said that his Ki decreased fighting him. This was after he tanked the spirit which had Ki from 3 stars

keep in mind that the ki was of enough energy to bust 3 stars, in fact ki collection really doesnt work like that, if anything, it had the power that the stars gave off in that time, but that gives a low energy output, which can still be explained by saying that spirit bomb effects bad people only (inb4vegetawasgoingtogethurt, in that scenario, he was still a little bad, and spirit bomb affect all people who have even a little evilness, only pure people can debound it, in short, spirit bomb is an evil hurting hax that is practically unquantifyiable)

 

[FanofRPGs]

So when will the pages be updated

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

So when will the pages be updated

in the period of the next few days i guess

 

[Micah007123]

This is not hyperbole for a simple fact:

Akira toriyama writes everythink as simple as possible, he has never made a character bluff like that before, Cell had no reasons to bluff, also, IF someone bluffes Akira always leave that CLEAR so everyone can understand whats happening.

Akira always said :"I want the series to be easy for everyone to understand" we all know he does not do all this hyperuniverse layered dimensions thing, why would he do it complex with Cell? We also know its not a dub line, its in the american, in the japanese in the spanish in the portuguese, in the anime, in the manga, in the guidebooks, i think the ones who think he is NOT solar system should be tryin to back it up, not the opposite.

Can you post the link Akira's statement came from.

 

[Addarash]

Goku said that his Ki decreased fighting him. This was after he tanked the spirit which had Ki from 3 stars

keep in mind that the ki was of enough energy to bust 3 stars, in fact ki collection really doesnt work like that, if anything, it had the power that the stars gave off in that time, but that gives a low energy output, which can still be explained by saying that spirit bomb effects bad people only (inb4vegetawasgoingtogethurt, in that scenario, he was still a little bad, and spirit bomb affect all people who have even a little evilness, only pure people can debound it, in short, spirit bomb is an evil hurting hax that is practically unquantifyiable)

That is true. There is no telling how much energy Goku had gathered from the Stars, he himself thought the energy was going to destroy the planet and not kill Frieza. But the Planet self-destruction feat was much more impressive imo.

 

[Addarash]

If Frieza's that durable I wonder if Buu can survive a Supernova.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

kid buu was multi ss in dura

while buuhan was likely high multi ss+ in dura or around that level

 

[Addarash]

That sounds about right.

 

[Addarash]

2.41 tenatons is still Large Planet+. Also, wasn't Frieza nearly like...dead from it? Yes he was severely injured already, but it's not like Namek's explosion didn't contribute to the state King Cold found him in.

Even as a large planet you should to consider that Namek was incredibly durable. Planet Vegeta had 10x Gravity of Earth and he blew it up easily in his first form. Frieza had to struggle through his power to destroy Namek in his final form. It even lasted longer than he thought it could.

 

[The_Everlasting]

So all we keep doing is debating whether or not Frieza is Small Star Level, but it seems we've come to the conclusion that Cell's statement is legit.

So, if we may continue, can someone tell me what stats to change and what to change them to? And what pages should I put the note about DBZ Kai?