The main contradiction is Zeus constantly spamming the attack and everyone being perfectly able to keep up with his movements, which means the very impressive first showing it had isn't even remotively consistent to literally every other time it is used.
He didn’t spam it, he was shown using it TWICE after going into Adamas. That’s a non-argument, as it’s just blatantly wrong and misleading.
Sure
I'm not attempting to stonewall, you haven't brough any argument as to why this is valid beyond trying to appeal to old takes like "PIS" whenever a contradiction comes up.
The scan shows him using it twice. The kanji for it is shown twice on the page. He was only shown using it a total of 3 times, and there’s nothing stating or implying that it was perceivable any of these times. It was mixed in with other attacks as well, and those were the perceivable ones. Logically, that checks out, as the first showing of the move wasn’t perceivable.
I have, but you blatantly haven’t kept up with the thread enough to know.
Or, hear me out, don't nictpick the scene and say only the parts that don't support your argument didn't happen.
I've literally been around here for quite some time now, so I would like to know how far your "debunks" are to read them.
Literally the scene only shows it twice. I’m not nitpicking. I’m literally stating exactly what happened.
The debunks were literally Ultimate Straight Punch NOT being stated to be his fastest attack, Adam not having trouble dodging the attacks themselves but his ability being overloaded through constant use for an extended period of time. There was basically no other point.
How is it logically faster?
It was imperceivable in the first use, and there’s nothing implying, stating, etc etc that the attack is perceivable the other 2 times he’s shown using it. The rest of the attacks are perceivable, because they’re literally stated to be, but those 2 hits logically aren’t, as they’re not stated to be, the first use wasn’t, etc. Occam’s Razor applies here and imperceivable > perceivable
Yet said “fastest” punch was unable to touch him unlike Zeus’s adamas punch which nicked Adam twice
“nicked Adam twice” from the scans shown previously in the thread, it was only once.
No, it was twice
Oh, my bad then
There is seeing as vs battles dosen’t except time manlplation in any way shape or form as infinite speed
but it’s... not... time manipulation?
Tftst litterly comes from the personification of time itself, there is no reason to believe that there isn’t time manlplation involved
Other than
Um no, the narration out right states he takes the move from chronos
broken imageUm no, the narration out right states he takes the move from chronos
he stole it, he never inherited it
That’s if it’s time acceleration
Ok then how about this one?
The series commonly explains how abilities work and how things happened, this entire fight implies raw strength and speed. The only implication for any form of time manipulation is the Chronos thing at this point since the rest was already addressed. And even then, the Chronos bit never even shows any kind of time manipulation, just that the attack was somehow instant.Ok then how about this one?
what current evidence contradicts other forms of time manipulation
If his abilities happened through time accel, he would logically get faster over time, since, y’know, acceleration of his own speed
I suppose we can give limited power mimicry to Zeus then.
Um no it dosen’t, what dose chronos showing the move have to do with anything? His time itself, it’s pretty logical to assume it was time manlplation seeing as the narration went out of its way to say he is time itself.
He is the personification of time, but if his big thing is time manipulation, why does he only hit Zeus once? He would logically use time stops/jumps/skips/accel very often to hit Zeus if that was the case.
other than the rest of the fight being about the characters being faster and faster through physical ability
I’m not arguing time accel, i’m literally arguing against it. Any other form of time manipulation just doesn’t make sense, time stop is contradicted, time slow is contradicted, and there’s not really any other form of time manipulation that would have the effect this move had.
Maybe because all he could do was time stop with said move
Why would the personification of time itself not be able to properly manipulate time?
I said imply, not that it solidly makes, but logically with the story implying it and the context of the fight being about how the characters are just getting faster over time, it makes more sense to say this was speed
Time Stop and the other time-based abilities that were argued had their main argument for it be the visuals, which gets entirely contradicted later in the fight when Zeus uses the move in Adamas form twice
Because that’s how this manga is, posiden being the god of the ocean and earthquakes never uses any of his supposed abiltes in his fight agianst kojiro, or how Thor only used his lighting powers like once(I think) in his fight with lu bu or how shiva hasn’t done anything that would give him the title of god of destruction and creation. Said beings just use abiltes maybe once or twice then just go for a slug fest
But the thing is, Zeus is the god of the sky. He’s not the god of time, he doesn’t have time powers, he’s the god of storms, the sky, etc.
Except the fact that Chronos only seemingly uses 1 ability with time manipulation, and if time manipulation was one of his basics, he would use it more and hit Zeus more
The visuals aren’t shown, but the kanji is shown on screen twice. I’ll find the page real quick.
vsbattles.fandom.com
I mean, the entire debate right now is just about the speed, despite all the other points that needed to be adressed, such as the AP and the scaling, so the issue is definitely far bigger than just that.
