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He moved the earth and moon to create daytime/night I believe.When did Hermes do anything close to 5-c
That is a hype statement
Agian when has Hermes done anything 5-c
Can you so me the scans?He moved the earth and moon to create daytime/night I believe.
I believe it was posted earlier in the thread.Can you so me the scans?
So what do we still have to decide and do here?
I think the argument for MFTL+ at this point is for like Adamas form Zeus because of how much faster that is supposed to be than his base. His hits are considered unavoidable by the gods, who are casually FTL.i thought mftl was bunk
and it should be so but there are too many people who are convinced that it is Massively FTL + because of the zeros spreading out of the page and the description of the attacks of Zeus Adamas as "inevitable"i thought mftl was bunk
You should probably read my reply. It's never called "inevitable" it's called "unavoidable".and it should be so but there are too many people who are convinced that it is Massively FTL + because of the zeros spreading out of the page and the description of the attacks of Zeus Adamas as "inevitable"
Agreedthis thread started talking about two things AP and speed, and about that I just have to say this
-Speed
Since we already have a calculation with FTL speeds plus Ares's statement about what the gods can see and not see (which seems more or less valid) I think that all Ragnarok participants are gods or humans should be put as FTL
Pretty sure it was agreed to not use the infinite at all and just put down MFTL+TFTST stuff
Why is that? The feat is able to be calced so why would we just not use it?Thor: of him we have his states seen his Base and Awakened Mjolnir, of his base we only have what Heimdall said (who is an unreliable narrator in my opinion) and that of the Serpent, the last one I discard because I do not think he can be used to find the power of Thor for nothing
So long as Thor > Hermes = 5-C, using planet level is fine as that kanji is apparently still able to be used for the planet itself, just more uncommon.about Mjonir Awakened I will say it again if the Raw does not know mentions the term earth with the kanjis that are used to speak of the bone planet "Chikyū" then it should not be put as a planet level
Why would base Zeus scale above either Mjolnir or Tandava Karma? It has no scaling to either and base Zeus is only shown as superior to base Shiva (pre TK and weight of 1116 gods)Zeus: I still think that what is shown does not accredit giving it the universe level although seeing that a consensus can not be reached with that I agree to leave it as a possibly, as for its true base I think it should equal or exceed Thor Mjolnir Despondent Being older with Adamas should obviously be superior, equaling or surpassing Shiva Tandava Karma
Poseidon has no scaling to Zeus besides hype. All of the scaling relies on Adamas thinking Poseidon would let him win against Zeus despite having a giant army that he believes can’t beat Zeus but he proceeds to immediately try and fight Poseidon. Adamas doesn’t have a clue how strong Zeus actually is and he certainly doesn’t have a clue how strong Poseidon is.Poseidon: equal to Zeus Base
Base Zeus > base HercHercules: the base of him should match Zeus Base and be greater with his works
I agree not scaling Jack without using a Volund to Herc since it was stated that he would die if he took a direct hit. With Volunds though, I feel like his AP should scale to Labors Herc since he was still harming that form, even more than before tbh.Jack: no idea, his base should be human level, maybe street or athlete level, with Volund he should be somewhere between Thor Base and Hercules Base
I am curious about the reasoning for the bolded.Shiva: his base should be equal to or higher than Thor Base but I agree with giving him planet level but only his Tandava Karma Form
It doesn't seem like anything will happen here otherwise.Maybe somebody knowledgeable could write a good comprehensive summary of the arguments regarding that and post it as a new thread, after which I could ask some staff members to evaluate it?
No, we just never actually came to an agreement. Time Stop was contradicted, so it was dropped, then the debate turned into if we should have Infinite on the profile, and there wasn’t an agreement reached.Yes it was. There wasn’t an end in sight for the infinite vs time stop so it was agreed that both wouldn’t be used. If you really wanna push for infinite again then we are back at square one.
The statement for Shiva came from the narrator, and is apparently from the official translation,I find really hard to upgrade someone to 5-B based on vague statements without even some feat to support them.
The effects of the supposed time stop didn’t happen later again when the move was used at bare minimum 2 more times.Since we are really doing this song and dance again, contradicted by what?
Fine, bit of a hyperbole. Ion didn’t prove anything about why Possibly Infinite shouldn’t be used either way.Nobody? Weird then since I seem to very clearly recall Ion vehemently arguing for neither to be used.
Infinite speed is not completely reliant on these effects, and the effects were literally the 2nd biggest argument for time stop. The contradiction doesn’t go both ways, the only way you can argue that is by saying using infinite speed would have similar effects, but it was never a main argument and is by no means a requirement.Those same effects that were shown for what you interpret as infinite speed? That contradiction goes both ways.
The only conclusion that hasn’t been reached is if Possibly Infinite should remain on the profile, it seems like everything else is doneHave you reached any conclusions here yet?
It was one of the main arguments for it. That’s why it didn’t work. The Kanji of the move is there on the page, meaning the move had been used.No. You don’t get to dismiss something when it gets half a chapter showing its effects when you were arguing that Ares having a whole segment to explain what he couldn’t see can’t be dismissed because he had said segment specifically meant to detail what he couldn’t see. Just like that, the visuals getting half a chapter will not be summed up as some “artistic liberty” just because the author didn’t apply the visuals to a panel that includes multiple other techniques. Are we to say Meteor Jab and Divine Axe are no longer the same stuff as before just because we don’t see the meteors or the axe that was shown when Zeus and Adam previously used them? No so don’t try pull that here.
The narrator states that there’s a rumor. The direct quote isSeeing as the argument has always been that Zeus got it from time itself and the narrator is the only one who ever gives anything like an explanation for the ability which points to it being time manip. The visuals is only the cherry on top.
It was never concluded. 1 singular member said that neither should be used, and didn’t prove why, and never disproved my arguments as to why it should stay.Let’s not pin this on me. I’m not the one who wanted to revisit this topic when both were concluded to not be usable.
Yep, 5-B Shiva is settled. I'm unsure what the rating is for Raiden actually, but it should be 5-B as he fought evenly with Shiva.How weird, I stopped receiving notifications for this thread. So is 5-B Shiva pretty much settled then?
Yeah, Raiden is 5-B as well with his Volund, Higher with his Muscle Manipulation as those attacks are stronger than normalYep, 5-B Shiva is settled. I'm unsure what the rating is for Raiden actually, but it should be 5-B as he fought evenly with Shiva.
You should bookmark this page: https://vsbattles.com/watched/threadsHow weird, I stopped receiving notifications for this thread. So is 5-B Shiva pretty much settled then?