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Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 3 (aka rem: zero)
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I think normally Julius would beat the hell out of Rem.
He can't be below Room level though because Garfiel is Room level, who is currently weaker than him.
His AP however should be Building.
He can't be below Room level though because Garfiel is Room level, who is currently weaker than him.
His AP however should be Building.
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Don't mix things together with hax Julius definitely is superior but When did he showed feats superior to Rem through his physical power alone ? his stamina isn't that high as he was done after battling beteteluges for short while Rem fought the beasts for about half day
Just because he is stronger doesn't mean he is superior to him in physical strength as roswaal was scared from fighting Garfield head on even though we know roswaal with magic would destroy 90% of the cast
You're really taking the scaling here from one side
Just because he is stronger doesn't mean he is superior to him in physical strength as roswaal was scared from fighting Garfield head on even though we know roswaal with magic would destroy 90% of the cast
You're really taking the scaling here from one side
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This is the same with satella and reinhard as we want to add everything the witches did to satella and everything satella do it should scale to reinhard even though that logic doesn't apply as reinahrd isn't equal to her through Ap or speed it's Because he NOPE everything
he couldn't put regulus down for good without subaru does this mean we should scale Regulus to reinahrd ?
he couldn't put regulus down for good without subaru does this mean we should scale Regulus to reinahrd ?
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If julius is above garfiel then he should above rem physically cause garfiel>rem if we aren't counting magic like al Human which outs rem at building level, though i can see rem and garfiel being around the same level physically.
Either way though julius has hax so things aren't so simple he literally split betelguese's soul if rem and garfiel get hit with that then they are done but he has to be fast enough to be able to tag them first which he is so in terms of speed he is above them, in terms of ap though he should also be cause he cut betelguese's giant unseen hands, durability is where i am not so sure he is superior.
Actually i just remembered that julius can use barriers to shield himself and one of his barriers took a blast from one of the fingers self-destructing and i am pretty sure that blast was building level so physically he could be idk small building? But building level with barriers.
Either way though julius has hax so things aren't so simple he literally split betelguese's soul if rem and garfiel get hit with that then they are done but he has to be fast enough to be able to tag them first which he is so in terms of speed he is above them, in terms of ap though he should also be cause he cut betelguese's giant unseen hands, durability is where i am not so sure he is superior.
Actually i just remembered that julius can use barriers to shield himself and one of his barriers took a blast from one of the fingers self-destructing and i am pretty sure that blast was building level so physically he could be idk small building? But building level with barriers.
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I don't get what you're arguing on he definitely above them if you take overall "skill , abilities etc " But why should he superior in durability and physically ? They said he is above Garfiel okay but who said he can beat him physically ? also Garfiel have he's golden beast form Which i don't think it was Reveal to Julius
Dude Rem Will pawn Roswaal ass if we put them into wrestle match lol xD that really not the point here we are you guys taking this from one side When we don't even have the full picture ?
It's such pain discussion thing when you don't have clear idea on them honestly i don't like to discuss Garfiel because i don't the know details of his battle with Elsa not his battle with subaru\Ram Or anything he did in arc 5
I think Garfiel > Rem with magic or without taking his beast form into count
Dude Rem Will pawn Roswaal ass if we put them into wrestle match lol xD that really not the point here we are you guys taking this from one side When we don't even have the full picture ?
It's such pain discussion thing when you don't have clear idea on them honestly i don't like to discuss Garfiel because i don't the know details of his battle with Elsa not his battle with subaru\Ram Or anything he did in arc 5
I think Garfiel > Rem with magic or without taking his beast form into count
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That's what i saying that he is above them or equal to them in ap because he cut betelguese's giant hands which is building level, however his durability isn't naturally that high it would be like idk wall level or room level but with the spirits shielding him it's easily building level, and julius is faster than them he may not be able to physically match them but in terms of speed though he is above them.
Regulus 100+ but remember he has the ability to stop the time of his body so he that's why he still looks young.
Regulus 100+ but remember he has the ability to stop the time of his body so he that's why he still looks young.
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Wilheim in his prime bested a sword saint in terms of talent with a sword he has more than thearesia, so he isn't normal.
I don't see why city level regulus wouldn't be a thing, he was staed to have annihilated many cities in the past, why would we assumed he went from building to building, that's not the assumption we normally go with, considering the way his powers work i don't see how it isn't possible but this would only apply to regulus cause he did it with hax.
I don't see why city level regulus wouldn't be a thing, he was staed to have annihilated many cities in the past, why would we assumed he went from building to building, that's not the assumption we normally go with, considering the way his powers work i don't see how it isn't possible but this would only apply to regulus cause he did it with hax.
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Anyway i am going to create a sphinx profile and put her at room level for now for vaporizing the ceiling, we can up her later when we get a calc for it, also gonna give her hypersonic+ combat speed for keeping up with young wilheim, with lightspeed attack speed with jwald but note that it requires her to say the incantation and point at her targets, everyone agree with this?
Also are we gonna up shaula to lightspeed lol.
Also are we gonna up shaula to lightspeed lol.
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@Celesial: The lightspeed thing is probably an outlier.
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Ah lina is here that's good, which lightspeed lina shaula or sphinx?
Do we even have a pic for shaula that's usable not sure the one heinkel posted is acceptable...
Do we even have a pic for shaula that's usable not sure the one heinkel posted is acceptable...
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New part of the WN is out Here
'[Subaru: — It's you… which wind blew you here?]
'''[Puck: Why're you looking at me like that? Did I do something?]'
[Subaru: …Right now, you didn't do anything… Go find Emilia, as long as you go float around somewhere else]'
'['Subaru: Don't you dare touch Rem. Not with your hands, or your words…]
Salty subaru is salty , i would Hate puck as well if i was in his place
'[Subaru: — It's you… which wind blew you here?]
'''[Puck: Why're you looking at me like that? Did I do something?]'
[Subaru: …Right now, you didn't do anything… Go find Emilia, as long as you go float around somewhere else]'
'['Subaru: Don't you dare touch Rem. Not with your hands, or your words…]
Salty subaru is salty , i would Hate puck as well if i was in his place
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I don't like puck, he knew the witch cult was gonna attack but did nothing about it and then has the balls to say everyone sacrificed themselves for emilia, no wonder subaru swung at him and he acts as if he doesn't know what he did wrong, yea he doesn't care or understand other peoples feelings even though he can read emotions it's so ironic lol.
Also what about a regulus profile, should we make one? That would be a pain his ap would be city level for those statements, kinda irrelevant cause he can ignore durability anyway, his speed and durability would be unknown cause they are irrelevant for the most part cause his ability nopes all attacks, don't know how fast he can move either, but he is said to be able to move at extremely high speeds, how fast though idk? Has he speed blitzed anyone?
Also what about a regulus profile, should we make one? That would be a pain his ap would be city level for those statements, kinda irrelevant cause he can ignore durability anyway, his speed and durability would be unknown cause they are irrelevant for the most part cause his ability nopes all attacks, don't know how fast he can move either, but he is said to be able to move at extremely high speeds, how fast though idk? Has he speed blitzed anyone?
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What did you expect of Echidna pet ? it's irony look at these twisted people who are related to echidna "roswaal " and "puck " but beatrice is really different
Translate are doing great job these past two days i must say
i asked my frined to Translate the Subaru\ram vs the evil beast in arc 6 we may get something interesting out of it but he most likely will do the Ram\roswaal scene from arc 4
Translate are doing great job these past two days i must say
i asked my frined to Translate the Subaru\ram vs the evil beast in arc 6 we may get something interesting out of it but he most likely will do the Ram\roswaal scene from arc 4
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Beatrice 3rd best girl of course i suppose. Subaru and ram vs evil beast wasn't that when they get rekt cause the beast has like high level regen.
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So, no Julius scaling yet?
And, yes Regulus should be a casual city-buster given how many he can annihilate... (entire cities) Lugnican cities, no less.
And, yes Regulus should be a casual city-buster given how many he can annihilate... (entire cities) Lugnican cities, no less.
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About Regulus Crusch couldn't react to his attack so there that though i doesn't mean much him blitzing mind-tier character When he is supposed to be Top tier
Dunno We need more details about his history and his battle with Reinhard though don't hope to scale anything it's all about hax
Dunno We need more details about his history and his battle with Reinhard though don't hope to scale anything it's all about hax
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Shouldn't 'use hax to destroy cities' be a part of his destructive feat as well, though? He busts cities.
I'm thinking that it would naturally be more dangerous than an actual city-busting nuke, but that's just me heh.
I'm thinking that it would naturally be more dangerous than an actual city-busting nuke, but that's just me heh.
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Perhaps "7-B via Reality Warping or hax" would suffice if he is able to destroy cities via hax. This applies to Regulus, correct?
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Yes. It applies to Regulus.
It isn't actually shown to our POV, but he has lived for 400 years and it's recorded in history that he destroyed many cities in Lugnica during that time.
It isn't actually shown to our POV, but he has lived for 400 years and it's recorded in history that he destroyed many cities in Lugnica during that time.
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I think we have an absolute zero feat for Puck.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/424205
That particular scene may not have approached absolute zero yet, but it seems Puck would be capable of performing it in full a short while later.
He's normally a Fire Spirit so, physically, areas closer to him would gradually approach absolute zero as the AoE of his heat absorption expands.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/424205
That particular scene may not have approached absolute zero yet, but it seems Puck would be capable of performing it in full a short while later.
He's normally a Fire Spirit so, physically, areas closer to him would gradually approach absolute zero as the AoE of his heat absorption expands.
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Absolute zero for puck? Not surprised, nothing is gonna surprised me anymore short of satella having infinite speed and destroying timelines.
So about regulus we agree on 7-B via hax then, durability would be unknown i guess cause it really doesn't matter cause of his hax, i think we could scale his speed to elsa as there is no way he would not be able to speed blitz her.
About julius what did we agree on again? Building level ap for cutting the giant hand, and also building level with barriers but what about his normal durability?
I still want to create a sphinx profile.
So about regulus we agree on 7-B via hax then, durability would be unknown i guess cause it really doesn't matter cause of his hax, i think we could scale his speed to elsa as there is no way he would not be able to speed blitz her.
About julius what did we agree on again? Building level ap for cutting the giant hand, and also building level with barriers but what about his normal durability?
I still want to create a sphinx profile.
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I dunno about Regulus, but Sirius Romanee-Conti tagged Reinhard for a few seconds (enough for the people below to cheer the fight) while fighting in the air.
http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Natsuki_Subaru/Synopsis
He proceeded to fight Sirius in the air, which Subaru took advantage of to save Lusbel, though when they returned the crowd was chanting for Reinhard to kill Sirius.
And we should add Reinhard Flight capability.
And, Reinhard doesn't need to use sword to fight.
Once he killed her by chopping her with his hand from her left shoulder to her right side, everyone else in the vicinity except for Reinhard died the same way.
Room Durability for Julius is ok. And Betelgeuse also needs Room level AP for small hands; look at the size of rocks his small hand ejected from a solid cliff before he died.
I'll post the pics in a minute
Also this:
http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Natsuki_Subaru/Synopsis
He proceeded to fight Sirius in the air, which Subaru took advantage of to save Lusbel, though when they returned the crowd was chanting for Reinhard to kill Sirius.
And we should add Reinhard Flight capability.
And, Reinhard doesn't need to use sword to fight.
Once he killed her by chopping her with his hand from her left shoulder to her right side, everyone else in the vicinity except for Reinhard died the same way.
Room Durability for Julius is ok. And Betelgeuse also needs Room level AP for small hands; look at the size of rocks his small hand ejected from a solid cliff before he died.
I'll post the pics in a minute
Also this:
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We know nothing about how we would scale sirius in terms of ap and durability so her tagging reinhard is irrelevant for now. Reinhard can walk on clouds so don't think he was neccesarily flying.
Yea we know reinhard is physically strong as well he knocked regulus several meters into the air and then stomped him into the ground, it's nothing new.
Yea we know reinhard is physically strong as well he knocked regulus several meters into the air and then stomped him into the ground, it's nothing new.
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Isn't that the same thing? He can just ask for a DP to allow him to walk on Air (he already walks on Water/Cloud).
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I think that summary is vague, for one since when can sirius fly? She control senses and all that but don't see flight as part of her skillset unless she can use other magic but i don't see that mentioned on her page. Also reinhard could have just did a super jump to fight her in the air.
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Anyway, let's give Puck flight. He flies.
Another absolute zero feat for Puck:
Another absolute zero feat for Puck:
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Absolute zero for puck seems legit, thought i already gave puck flight, will add it now, we should also make stats for puck in his normal form, like supersonic for keeping up with elsa and i would say building level as he should be able to create more ice than rem, don't know if we could scale him to emilia after she got back her magic.
This again makes reinhard more ridiculous if puck has absolute zero since he killed puck in the timelines he tried to destroy the world, so reinhard would have resistance to absolute zero...
This again makes reinhard more ridiculous if puck has absolute zero since he killed puck in the timelines he tried to destroy the world, so reinhard would have resistance to absolute zero...
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Scaling him directly to Emilia freezing the entire Elior Forest, using absolute zero instead of 0 C, will result in a higher calc. The gap between 20 and 293.15 is 15 times.
We don't know the forest's size, but we can try using this 'recommended forest size for self-sufficient ecology and human(?) settlement' from Environment Canada Report 2004 for the feat.
http://clear.uconn.edu/projects/landscape/forestfrag/measuring/core_explained.htm
The recommended minimum forest patch size is 500 acres, as this is likely to provide enough suitable habitat to support more diversity of interior forest species.
Radius of 500 acres is 802.46 m.
Semi-spherical volume of that radius is 1,080,000,000 m3
That's 1,323,000,000 kg of air.
Specific Heat of air is 1,158 J/(kg*C).
1,323,000,000 * 1,158 J * 293.15 = 4.49115767 × 1014 J = 107.34124522 kilotons = Large Town level or High 7-C
That would be At Least because a forest with less than 800 m radius is actually pretty small, and there were also many trees and animals/elves living in it who have higher specific heat than air. The forest is a dense woodland.
How is this, Lina?
Actually, since we know that Patrasche travels at 100 km/h in the highway connecting Elior Forest to the Capital, if we can know how long it takes for her to exit the boundary of Elior Forest, we'll be able to get a more accurate measurement.
We don't know the forest's size, but we can try using this 'recommended forest size for self-sufficient ecology and human(?) settlement' from Environment Canada Report 2004 for the feat.
http://clear.uconn.edu/projects/landscape/forestfrag/measuring/core_explained.htm
The recommended minimum forest patch size is 500 acres, as this is likely to provide enough suitable habitat to support more diversity of interior forest species.
Radius of 500 acres is 802.46 m.
Semi-spherical volume of that radius is 1,080,000,000 m3
That's 1,323,000,000 kg of air.
Specific Heat of air is 1,158 J/(kg*C).
1,323,000,000 * 1,158 J * 293.15 = 4.49115767 × 1014 J = 107.34124522 kilotons = Large Town level or High 7-C
That would be At Least because a forest with less than 800 m radius is actually pretty small, and there were also many trees and animals/elves living in it who have higher specific heat than air. The forest is a dense woodland.
How is this, Lina?
Actually, since we know that Patrasche travels at 100 km/h in the highway connecting Elior Forest to the Capital, if we can know how long it takes for her to exit the boundary of Elior Forest, we'll be able to get a more accurate measurement.
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So can we add absolute zero to puck and subsequent resistance to it for reinhard or does anyone disagree?
Heinkel calc seems fair i guess puck is emilia's equal well not really he is above her. It was said only someone with equal power to her could unfreeze her from the ice and puck is above emilia.
Heinkel calc seems fair i guess puck is emilia's equal well not really he is above her. It was said only someone with equal power to her could unfreeze her from the ice and puck is above emilia.
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We have at least two mention of 'absolute zero's we can find, and I'm sure we can find more, so I think At Least High 7-C would be ok. The forest used for the calc is really small when it should naturally be much bigger.
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I agree, everyone else has been mia from this thread for a couple days now though and we need to see what they think about this before we can do anything.
On another note part 6 of interlude 3 has been translated, arc 4 will apparently start today so we can get some translations fo the feats.
On another note part 6 of interlude 3 has been translated, arc 4 will apparently start today so we can get some translations fo the feats.
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Ah zero good to see your alive lol, so what do you think about absolute zero for puck and large town level?
I mean emilia is indeed a long range fighther but we have no proof that rem could keep up with her or elsa, she logically should but we have nothing to prove it.
How much faster should emilia's magic attacks be?
I mean emilia is indeed a long range fighther but we have no proof that rem could keep up with her or elsa, she logically should but we have nothing to prove it.
How much faster should emilia's magic attacks be?
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