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Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 2 (aka rem: zero)

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Well the threshold for Wall level is currently 5000 joules, so Elsa needs to travel at only Mach 0.04 to produce that amount of energy (about Usain Bolt) with her roundhouse kick. Her trading blows with Garfiel breaks Roswaal mansion's interior (although Garfiel might be a casual wall breaker with his shield and considerably stronger physically, she's also parrying his attacks).

I have seen this method being used for Guts from Berserk so far. We can't calc speed from kinetic energy but we can calc kinetic energy from speed.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kinetic_Energy_feats

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Guts

Attack Potency: Building level | Multi-City Block level (Due to Dragon Slayer's kinetic energy) | At least Multi-City Block level (Higher than in base)
 
I suppose we'll have the wait for translations then. I read that chapter, and Elsa's feet just making contact with walls or floor during her jumps is caving them in, though Google's choice of the adjectives is poor. (her foot 'drills' into the wall, a bit like that Rem's cliff hit feat)

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"If you think that was the first sound kicking the floor, sound like drilling the walls are continuous from the upper, lower, left and right."

Wall level also has multiple thresholds, like 5000 joules is a bit hard wooden wall (oaken or something, or less) but drilling a high-quality brick wall like Roswaal's is going to take more effort.
 
@Hienkel if the point feat hasn't gotten anymore feedback you can ask a couple of calc members on their walls to have a look at it.


Wall level elsa seems reasonable, like you said in her fight with garfiel walls were being destroyed i remember the summary saying something about gairfiel breaking the ceiling with elsa.

@Zero you just can't help bring up subaru's pis feats can you lol.
 
You guys are the ones who don't want to admit subaru is OP


I still don't buy Elsa begin wall level from her battle with Emilia and from what i know Garfiel was ripping her ass aparts most of the fight she could only keep up because of Regenerationn still i didn' watch\read the fight so dunno
 
So what do you propose we do then if we buy subaru being op, put him on the same level as elsa, so subsonic subaru? Since you can't help bringing it up what do you want us to do about it then?

If elsa could crack emilia's shield that was durable enough to sent through the wall that's wall level plus not to mention we can find ap by using speed which would also put elsa at wall level.
 
@Celestial Pegasus:

Ohh. Echidna is that overly attached witch right?

@Wall Elsa:

The ice thing is rather iffy to make her Wall level. Do we have other feats of hers? Does Emilia's ice shield have other feats? Just so we have something to scale her with since the Garfield thing (which I know nothing about and I'm only reading what you guys are putting here) sounds like she's less of Wall level Elsa and more of getting creamed into Salsa.

@Subsonic Subaru:

He can barely keep up with Elsa, so the best compromise I can think of is "Likely Peak Human, At most Subsonic".
 
Well all the witches are attractive but yes echidna is very attractive not pandora level though cause pandora is and i quote "beautiful enough to be said to make other tremble with her beauty and that even God would hesitate to touch her"

The ice thing maybe iffy and the garfiel thing might be unclear but we don't need any of those as hienkel already pointed out you only need to be mach 0.04 to be wall level.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
So what do you propose we do then if we buy subaru being op, put him on the same level as elsa, so subsonic subaru? Since you can't help bringing it up what do you want us to do about it then?
If elsa could crack emilia's shield that was durable enough to sent through the wall that's wall level plus not to mention we can find ap by using speed which would also put elsa at wall level.
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Wall level Subaru with MHS+ reaction speed seems reasonable to me ......"Not really " jokeing aside You really ignore the fact Subaru could keep with Elsa while Emilia couldn't and felt got one shot while using her wind magic

Subaru never tried to Fight Rem btw so maybe he would done better if he tried he actually did react to her attacks at first "just saying "

Elsa begin equal to the likes of Rem and Garfield in physical attacks that what i can't buy unless she make use of her speed like you said
 
Subaru has reacted to Rem before so there's that.

And the Wall level Elsa thing, I guess I'm good with that reasoning.
 
See what i can't buy is that a supposedly normal but in shape dude from the real world is faster than characters from a fantasy world who can use magic to enhance themselves.

I can't take it seriously that subaru a "normal" guy can keep up with an assassin vampire who has experience dealing with superhumans and does better than emilia a half elf and can keep up with rem an oni who has heightened combat abilities while he is only human, and let's not get to the bs of him reacting faster than fricking reinhard the strongest in verse bar satella.

I am not saying humans can't have superhuman feats as wilheim is human and he is clearly superhuman but he is a trained knight and has blessings and humans here can use magic, what exactly justifies subaru being able to keep up with the mid tiers of this verse? He has no blessings and he can't even use magic properly, working out in your spare time doesn't justify the feats he has shown.

Subaru constantly being stated to weak doesn't help justify anything either, if he had these feats after all the training he has been through like his training with wilheim and learning parkour and getting the authorities i could buy them.
 
the author also think 2+2 = 5 if he say subaru is the weakest character and he made him keep up with Elsa at the very first arc , half elf or not Emilia is long range fighter obviously she can't keep with Elsa you're making subaru able to keep up with Elsa while Emilia can't a big deal it's not like Emilia is wilhelm or even Rem for that matter , take puck from emilia and put her in a room with close range fighter and look at what happen

Subaru also reacted to Rem before

Now reacting faster than reinahrd i won't dive into that

now i am not saying he is on par with Elsa since she kicked his ass regardless but if you want to put Emillia as "peak human " then Subaru should be above her
 
He clearly must not have thought everything through in the first arc when he made subaru keep up with elsa but later on states he is among the weakest characters.

Emilia is a long range fighter but the point is she isn't fully human and she can use magic, what makes subaru able to do something that emilia can't despite subaru supposedly being a normal in shape guy does that mean any normal in shape guy can do better than emilia? You see where i am going with this right.

It doesn't make sense why subaru is able to perform these feats for just being a normal in shape guy and constantly being said to be weak. Do you really think subaru should be able to beat anyone in white whale subjugation squad crush gathered? They are trained individuals who probably have spent years perfecting their techniques and getting stronger while subaru is just a neet that works out.

I could buy his feats if they were performed after all the training he has been through but on episode 1 though? no
 
Regardless of what we think and what the author says in interviews, it's pretty clear that Subaru is borderline superhuman already. He's too consistently above normal to be considered that way still. Unless, we consider the Re Zero verse to be like Marvel who can't count crap.

I mean just look at this monstrosity:

Normal human - Subsonic

Athletic human - Supersonic+

Peak Human - Hypersonic+
 
You know regardless he thought of it or not it happened

You're assuming subaru keeping up with Elsa while Emilia can't as PIS because "she isn't human " was it mentioned that half elves are genius fighters and i missed it by any chance ? Emilliawas killed from simple stab by Elsa , you're mixing things together Emilia is ice magic user and that's it

Subaru was said to be weaker man in the army and i am sure Elsa will make the entire army her bitches bar wilheim and Cursch to be honest i feel like tappei suddenly wanted to make subaru the weak guy at the beginning of arc 3 because i know he kept up with Elsa and reacted to Rem but got a absolutely rekt by non-serious julius lol

anyway you can ignore what i said i feel like i am pointlessy arguing here the most responsible assumption is to put subaru feat as PIS because it doesn't add up at all if you take it into count that will make major change because that will make otto < Elsa

just like you said
 
Take a chill pill man, and watch the language. Anyways, we don't even know at the moment how strong Julius is. For all we know, he's head and shoulders above Elsa (unless I am just ignorant and that you guys already know how strong he is).
 
Gemmysaur said:
Regardless of what we think and what the author says in interviews, it's pretty clear that Subaru is borderline superhuman already. He's too consistently above normal to be considered that way still. Unless, we consider the Re Zero verse to be like Marvel who can't count crap.
I mean just look at this monstrosity:

Normal human - Subsonic

Athletic human - Supersonic+

Peak Human - Hypersonic+
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That will make julius >>>>> Elsa and Rem >>>>>>>> Elsa
 
@zero that wasn't the point i was getting at it's not because she isn't human that makes it hard to believe subaru could do better than her it's more so the fact that subaru has no blessings and can't use magic properly and at the fight with elsa, hasn't had any extensive training to warrant him being able to fight elsa and do better than emilia while emilia is clearly a mid tier character in the verse. She might be a long range fighter but that doesn't mean any random dude from the real world with some training could do better than her.

Subaru isn't normal he has feats that constantly place him above that but i will only buy that to a certain extent, he is superhuman but he ain't mid tier and he ain't subsonic that's just ridiculous imo.
 
I get your point

but again you're mixing things just because she is mid tier "with puck " doesn't mean she can even keep up with a random knight in close combat and remember Subaru begun to shine after puck went out of the fight Emillia isn't anywhere near as powerful without puck < just wanted to point that
 
Gemmysaur said:
Take a chill pill man, and watch the language. Anyways, we don't even know at the moment how strong Julius is. For all we know, he's head and shoulders above Elsa (unless I am just ignorant and that you guys already know how strong he is).
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I am chill but my english doesn't help xP
 
the first fanart i posted made echidna look mature and badass as hell it's sad to say the second one is closer to Echidna personality , with subaru that is
 
The large image made her look creepy af, while this third one made her look...

fluffy, for the lack of a better word.
 
Yeah that image is really creepy , Though from what i remember she described as very attractive actually so first one fit more "she's roswaal's bae after all xD" still she is obsessed with subaru so i can imagine some creepy stuff "not to the level of satella tho "

echidna is emotionless even if she act friendly
 
The amount of effort Elsa puts in to fight Subaru, Emilia, or Reinhard, respectively, can be different.

For all we know she's just playing around fighting a piece-of-cake Subaru but is fighting more seriously against tougher opponents.

And remember that Elsa was severely weakened by Reinhard's sword blast when Subaru intercepted her. (with a Giant's club which is as hard as a hardened wooden wall, but was still cleaved in two and cut open Subaru's guts on the other side)

And when she stood up suddenly, the force of her upright movement sent a lot of wooden and concrete debris flying. That's many tons of debris we are talking about there.

As for Reinhard... his sword was broken after one swing, though I suppose he could just punch or kick Elsa in the face. But the energy of that punch / going sonic boom in front of Subaru and Emilia may have led to other nasty things. You have to be more careful when you are dealing with hostages. (Reinhard did say 'move back a bit and stay near Emilia' to Subaru before fighting, after all)
 
Echidna 1


More echidna fanart, btw this thread has become a spoiler talk thread, i think what is here currently is ok, discussing power levels or like minor things about characters is fine but no spoiling major plot points.

Now that i think about it that talk discuss the size of the re zero world might have been borderling spoilerish cause it went into stuff about the world.
 
Echidna isn't really 400+ though because of reasons which we have already discussed that involves her body and soul. Remember the different between the two. And we don't know much about pandora so we don't even know if she was around 400 years ago.
 
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Her soul is 400+ cause it was sealed 400 years ago by the dragon but her original physical body is dead but it seemed be around the mid twenties but as we know in arc 4 echidna got a new body which if i remember correctly is the body of a 12 year old.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
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Her soul is 400+ cause it was sealed 400 years ago by the dragon but her original physical body is dead but it seemed be around the mid twenties but as we know in arc 4 echidna got a new body which if i remember correctly is the body of a 12 year old.
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"new body which if i remember correctly is the body of a 12 year old."

i can only feel bad for roswaal now
 
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Just checked lewes the body which echidna transfered her soul into had the apperance of a 11-12 year old but was actually 110+, man explaining how old echidna is, complicated as hell.
 
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