Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 2 (aka rem: zero)

[ZERO7772]

*snip*
Case in point reinhard he couldn't just one shot regulus because of regulus's op hax and regulus would lose to shaula yet shaula can't beat reinhard even in his base this is because shaula has hax that can get past regulus's hax but that hax won't do anything to reinhard but reinhard doesn't have the hax to get past regulus's hax.

regulus isn't really top tier as much how his ability is annoying , reinhard is top tier in this verse yet he can struggle "not literally " with high tier people because simply he lack hax on his own Also not sure about reinhard beating shaula without his sword , she forced reid to use both hands several times during their fight shaula is above the likes of "puck -regulus -roswaal -" which they should be about the same level

 

[ZERO7772]

Talking about distant didn't took subaru and co about month to go to the sage tower ? where was the tower again ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Zero, regulus is top tier no matter how you slice it, just look at his ridiculous ability "The user can stop the time of themselves or anything they're wearing, touched, or even their breath. This stops any interference from outside and only allows the user's interference outwards. This negates any attack against the user, and if the user waves their hand anything in its trajectory is cut no matter the toughness. Atmosphere released from the stillness can cause shockwaves, gravel thrown around can become inevitable shots, and it can enable the user to travel at extremely high speeds."

With an ability like this not only can't you hurt the guy but he can bypass durability.

Reinhard>reid, and reid wouldn't use reid in a non serious match against shaula as reid isn't something you can use whenever you want. Tappei said something about reinhard needing reid against the dragon but besides the dragon, sage and up i don't see reinhard needing reid.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Well yeah using horse travel speed along the Highway would put the distance between Lugnica and Pristella at around 3840 km in 8 hour - 12 day duration.

Even in real-life that level of travel is possible - for example, Ogotai Khan's messengers covered 352 km a day across the Mongol Empire in daily basis. They would cover the distance between the Capital and Pristella in 11 days, 1 day faster than Subaru's party.




And here in Re:Zero, we have stamina healing magic and much faster dragon carriages with Divine Protection, with a lot of high-speed characters who fight for many hours, so that level of travel would very likely be possible.

That's the calc we can get so far from the times and travel speeds given by the WN.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Oh and yeah, that Flugel Tower distance calc would significantly increase the size of Lugnica compared to previous calcs. IIRC It was near the Auriga Sand Dune, just before entering the border with Volakia Empire.

And the tower is very big. It's 600 meters in diameter and likely much taller (it's a 'tower', so it should be a lot taller than it is wide). If something of that size can't be seen from the nearest Lugnican city on a flat horizon, there should either be a big mountain blocking the view (at least 1-2 km tall) between the tower and that city, or it should have been very far away.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Zero it actually took 20 days to reach the tower, btw i forgot where is the tower located again? Guessing near the great waterfalls.

 

[ZERO7772]

he still lose badly to shaula show is weaker than reid who is weaker than reinhard

you don't need to remind me that reinhard is above reid i know xD reinhard drew reid to kill Thearesia and she definitely isn't worthy opponent to use his sword and there nothing said Reid didn't use his sword during his fight with shaula but we don't know is the size of gap between each character minerva said Reid can't beat satella but didn't said he stand no chance or he will fodder to her ....

assuming reinhard is absolutely above everyone "bar satella " without his sword is worng , the author said reinhard need his sword to fight the dragon , also forcing reinhard to draw his sword , and make him fight seriously are two different things

my guess on the power level go like this :


1-satella\reinhard

2-reid\sage\dragon

3-Shaula

4-Ram "with horn " < don't know if we should really count her tho

5-regulus

6-sehkment

7-puck\roswaal

the rest are meh .....

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

It's near the Auriga Sand Dune, just before the border with the Volakia Empire.

Assuming 600 meter diameter and 1200 m height, the Tower has to be 123 km away from the nearest settlement for it to be beyond visual range at Earth curvature.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

I think then we can use 12+20 days for the distance calc of one side between Lugnica's farthest northern point revealed in the novel, which has lukewarm temperature, and the farthest southern point where the climate starts becoming a desert.

 

[ZERO7772]

@Zero it actually took 20 days to reach the tower, btw i forgot where is the tower located again? Guessing near the great waterfalls.

Ah ok i assume it's moth because roswaal said the whole journey will take about 2 monthes

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Hienkel ah so it's close to the border with the volakia empire.

@Zero shaula can distort space so regulus's ability can't do anything against someone like that, so while reinhard can't instantly put him down cause he has no space distorting hax shaula can but reinhard>shaula.Yes i know reinhard needs reid to fight the dragon what i am saying is i think the rankings goes something like this:

1-Reinhard with reid=satealla

2-Reid\sage\dragon

3- Base reinhard

4-Shaula

5-Ram "with horn " < don't know if we should really count her tho

6-regulus

7-sehkment

8-puck\roswaal

 

[ZERO7772]

so the tower is near volakia empire ?

 

[ZERO7772]

if the tower is near the great waterfall then Tower isTechnically is at the end of the world

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Ah yes, it's here:

http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Lugnica

Augria Sand Dunes (ÒéóÒéªÒé░Òâ¬Òéóþáéõ©ÿ Auguria Sakyuu): The Augria Sand Dunes is an area located in the far eastern part of the Kingdom of Lugnica. Due to its close proximity to the Witch's Shrine, the Augria Sand Dunes has a high concentration of witch miasma, making it an ideal place for Demon Beasts to live. Demon Beasts that live here are larger than normal, tend to become violent, and some only live in the area.

So Auriga Sand Dunes would make it the far eastern part of Lugnica, while Pristella is at the far western part of Lugnica where it meets the Tigracy River.

I will mark their distance on the map:





Does the Great Waterfall refer to the edge of the screen rather than the one at the South? If it does then we can just scale 3840 + 6400 km then multiple it by 2 to get radius, and use that to get the surface are for the whole world. This is just an experiment for now.

 

[ZERO7772]

ok this is fantastic work heinkel

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ah so it's in the eastern part of lugnica so pretty close to the great waterfalls then.

@Zero It says it took it is a 20 day journey to the tower on the wiki, where did you hear it would take 2 months? Btw heinkel didn't make this map someone else did, but yes he has been doing fantastic work.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

I did not make that map hehe, I just drew some lines to give some distances. The Witch's Shrine is at the far eastern end of Lugnica close to Southern deserts.

 

[ZERO7772]

i know you and also write the distant which help greatly

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

No problem, the distance is actually very big by historical standards. The rider would have to switch horses between stables to make an 8-hour run at 40 km/h daily for 2-3 weeks. He can't do that with just one horse.

In the dragon's case though it can travel at that speed without tiring for the whole day (14 hours at least during the Hakugei battle). The carriage speed is actually 100 km/h on Highway, but since I calced the distance by travel on flat plain I just used the normal horse speed.

 

[ZERO7772]

@Pegasus Sorry can't remember where i read it when i checked the summary again it wasn't mentioned , i think i read when i was reading early part of arc 6 , can't say for sure maybe i really misxed 20 days with 2 months in my mind xd

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This brings into questions satella's ap and reinhard's ap with reid if just one of those countries are continent sized. Satella destroyed half the world so either that entire continent was bigger before or there was another one which to my understanding we don't know atm.

Either way satella destroyed half of it and if she wasn't stopped would have destroyed everything but i am not sure from what i understand about her powers, satella's mere existence drains the life out of her surroundings and that aoe of her ability grew so massive that it encompassed half the world, the question is was that in an instance or overtime.

 

[ZERO7772]

Reinhard is already listed as 6-B

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea but this new info could bump him up to 6-A or high 6-B at the very least.

 

[ZERO7772]

Your more of Reinahrd fanboy than Rem fan , i should have guessed this long ago

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Lol not gonna deny i am a reinhard fan but not more than being a rem fan. It's more a difference of situations i would say. When it comes to hype and feats reinhard has more going for him than anyone in verse bar satella.

So yea when it comes to feats i am a reinhard "fanboy" because the hype is warranted but if it's about character then obviously rem.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Well, it depends on the size of Lugnica, but it could very well be as large as the 35-million population US in 1867, where it takes 32 days to travel from one coast (Tigracy River) to the other coast (Great Waterfall) with magically enhanced stamina for continuous 8-hour travel per day. Dragons can manage 14 hours at higher speeds, but let's assume the riders' stamina.

I don't know about Continent. Europe is a Continent (10.18 million km┬▓), but it's only a bit larger than the US (9.857 million km┬▓) or Canada (9.985 million km┬▓), or China (9.597 million km┬▓), which are just Large Countries. It's also larger than Australia (7.692 million km┬▓) that is also a Continent.

What standard do we usually use to demaracate the size beween Countries and Continents?

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

And I think the combined size of those countries/continents in the surviving world can be used as the size of the other half of the world that's gone now.

 

[Gemmysaur]

What standard do we usually use to demaracate the size beween Countries and Continents?

Continents = group/cluster of countries marked down by geographical locations. Australia and Antartica are exceptions to that since they're tiny.

Country = land marked down by national borders and recognized internationally.

Size-wise, I dunno.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't know what we use for the standards when differentiating between the size of a country or continent, i would assume we use europe as the standard size for continents.

Yea i agree the combined size of the countries would be the size of the destroyed half.

 

[ZERO7772]

so are we trying to get to some upgrade here ?

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Ok. Let's use Pristella for one side of the country since we at least know the other side of the country (to the Tower) is wider than to Pristella.


Subaru daily moving speed: approx. 320 km / day (how fast a dragon carriage is: a 70-kg man flies behind it on a leash while remaining unhurt)

Capital to Pristella: 12 days

Covered distance (one side of the country): 3,840 km

Square surface area (side x side like this): 14,745,600 sq. km or about 1.5 times the size of Europe

Lugnica is also a very low-density country with a 300K capital for a 50M population. (Significantly less than Paris in 17th century, even thoughFrance was only a 19~20M country up to 18th century)

Population of Europe in years 1000-1500 was 50-90 million.

70-80 million between 1600-1800

Another thing: Lugnica has both snowy regions and desert regions in the same country (climates of the UK and Turkey in the same country). It has got to be large.

So yeah, I think it can be the size of Europe.

4 countries together would be around 60,000,000 sq. km, Large Continent or Multi-Continent. (High 6-A)

That size was obtained using the Pristella distance. I couldn't use the Tower distance because it can't be scaled on the map.


Doubling 60 mil sq. km for the whole world before the half's destruction would yield 120 mil sq. km, or just about equivalent to Earth's total land mass (148,428,950 sq. km) without the oceans (which would count as the Great Waterfall).

 

[ZERO7772]

http://re-zero-app.jp/

Gonna leave this here

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

No more feedbacks on Puck feat. What do I do next?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...waal_Mansion_Destruction_(Town_level)_AP_Feat

After that we can give Elsa Subsonic combat speed for blinking with VSBattles' definition for subsonic speeds ('Faster than the Eye'). We can use the manga image for that.

http://i.imgur.com/Pj7xHga.jpg

Her attack may also be Wall level for cracking through Emilia's ice shield (top left image; which destroyed a Wall a moment later with the deflected hit).

http://i.imgur.com/MGSFxaI.jpg

 

[ZERO7772]

This is really off topic and out of no where but Heinkel do you mind tell me how old you are ?

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

My name may be Heinkel but I'm only a bit older than Reinhard.

xP

 

[ZERO7772]

Didn't pay much attention to the name xD so i guess 21-22

 

[ZERO7772]

No more feedbacks on Puck feat. What do I do next?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...waal_Mansion_Destruction_(Town_level)_AP_Feat

After that we can give Elsa Subsonic combat speed for blinking with VSBattles' definition for subsonic speeds ('Faster than the Eye'). We can use the manga image for that.

http://i.imgur.com/Pj7xHga.jpg

Her attack may also be Wall level for cracking through Emilia's ice shield (top left image; which destroyed a Wall a moment later with the deflected hit).

http://i.imgur.com/MGSFxaI.jpg

deflected σ what it seems to me Puck just Crushed her to the wall , Elsa isn't that impressive when it come to physical power

 

[Gemmysaur]

Elsa cracked the ice that was durable enough to be sent through the wall...

...is probably what Heinkel is saying.

So, Elsa level durability ice shield.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

If we use previous examples, Emilia's Puck-assisted shield is of equivalent power to Puck's wall-breaking ice. Elsa almost broke through it (well, more like produce a crack and make Emilia grunt), but was stopped by Puck's appearance.

I actually already have a quote here that says Elsa and Garfiel Tinsel are destroying rooms (at minimum walls/floors) with the force of their blows as they fight, but I just want to use the manga to make a more visual example.

Chapter IV 123A "gut hunting VS shield of the sanctuary."




The two are not even directly hitting the objects but the shockwaves alone of their weapons colliding (just above the highlighted sentence: "strike together of steel and steel", "sparks" and "scratching sound", "shock of the blow", etc) are destroying everything in the room. (like that of RPGs and grenades)

Also below 'pierce the wall passes through'. The description is actually a bit clearer in Japanese that Garfiel's shield arm breaks through walls and make everything else (?) in the vicinity shake. (which Elsa is parrying with her own swings, or rather she's hitting it)


@Gemmysaur

Yes that's what I mean though it's her AP for cracking it, not Durability since her Durability is already Building - Large Building level for surviving Reinhard.

And see the novel chapter.

 

[ZERO7772]

I could barely understand shit from this translations xD and i have no clue how Garifel vs Elsa went beside he kickd her ass most of the battle

Also the ice durability depend on how much mana Emillia put in it, so if Elsa attacked Emilia instelty then Emilia didn't had time to make strong shield it's the same case with Rem when she was hurted from small fireball but could tank huge explosion later on without damage , Subaru could keep with her if she really hit that hard she should send subaru flying

we must return to the novel before anything ,