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Re-Scaling Nanatsu no Taizai's Danafor Feat

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I was always kinda sceptical about scaling pre-revival Meliodas to the Danafor feat considering he blatantly said he wasn't at full power.
 
Alright, let's get this Scaling over with

(Hunter Fest Ban, Fraudrin, Base Galand, Butterfly Elaine): High 6-C+

(Pre-Revival Meliodas, Gloxinia, Dolor, King, Diane, Derieri, Monspeet, Merlin, Grayroad, Gowther, Critical Over Galand, Calmadios, Melascula, Demon Gowther): Low 6-B

(Post-Revival Meliodas, Normal Day Escanor, Base Zeldris, Estarossa, Sariel, Tarmiel, Ludoshel, Elizabeth, 2C Estarossa, 3C Estarossa, Indura Derieri and Monspeet, Cusack, Chandler, Excalibur Arthur): Low 6-B+

(Assault Meliodas, 114,000 Escanor, The One Escanor, Fallen Angel Mael, 4C Mael, Zeldris with God, Melascula's Cocoon of Darkness, and Full Power King): 6-B

(Demon King, Supreme Deity): At least 6-B, likely higher

I think this is Good
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Alright, let's get this Scaling over with
(Hunter Fest Ban, Fraudrin, Base Galand, Butterfly Elaine): High 6-C+

(Pre-Revival Meliodas, Gloxinia, Dolor, King, Diane, Derieri, Monspeet, Merlin, Grayroad, Gowther, Critical Over Galand, Calmadios, Melascula, Demon Gowther): Low 6-B

(Post-Revival Meliodas, Normal Day Escanor, Base Zeldris, Estarossa, Sariel, Tarmiel, Ludoshel, Elizabeth, 2C Estarossa, 3C Estarossa, Indura Derieri and Monspeet, Cusack, Chandler, Excalibur Arthur): Low 6-B+

(Assault Meliodas, 114,000 Escanor, The One Escanor, Fallen Angel Mael, 4C Mael, Zeldris with God, Melascula's Cocoon of Darkness, and Full Power King): 6-B

(Demon King, Supreme Deity): At least 6-B, likely higher

I think this is Good
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Shouldn't God Zeldris and Ludoshel be in the same tier?

Also why are God Zeldris and Cacoon of Darkness in the same tier as AM Meliodas?
 
AM Mel was needed to break out of Cocoon of darkness, and God Zeldris could've broken out of the Cocoon as well
 
Before discussing revisions, does it really makes sense Meliodas having his full power at Danafor and Liones?. I mean, the Demon King stated that Meliodas had grown weak over the course of those 3000 years. He even stated that by eating his emotions he would regain his former strength.

https://i2.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/183/nanatsu-no-taizai-7840363.jpg

https://i4.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/183/nanatsu-no-taizai-7840369.jpg

https://i8.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/183/nanatsu-no-taizai-7840375.jpg

And i mean, Meliodas dying to regain his power and eventually going back to being a cruel demon is a pretty important thing in the story. So, was it really a retcon or just a mistake of Nakaba?
 
@Demon God Zeldris was also stomped by AM Meliodas extremely casually with one attack. Plus, AM Mel did it just by transforming.
 
@Siegfried

It wasn't necessarily Assault Mel that did the feat, but Post-Revival Mel, so the one who is above 60,000
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@Siegfried
It wasn't necessarily Assault Mel that did the feat, but Post-Revival Mel, so the one who is above 60,000
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We know that all the power Merlin stole was given back in Istar, and that only made him 32k/56k. It doesn't make any sense Meliodas having access to his full demonic powers.

Also, AM is just a form that Full Power Meliodas can use. If you tell me he had access to the 60k+ then he should also have access to AM. But considering that the DK stated that he was too weak when compared to his previous self, i seriously doubt he had a 60k+ Powerlevel.

We know that he was weaker (stated by the DK himself), and all the power stolen was given back (and he was still weak). Just losing AM wouldn't make him as weak as the DK is implying (he would be pretty much above anyone in the Holy War except Mael and Zeldris with God), and the 56k wouldn't make any sense either. Honestly, i think it was simply a mistake from Nakaba.
 
we scale Danafor feat to Post-Revival Mel, that is the form that performed the feat, so Post Mel will be Low 6-B+, when Meliodas got his powers back he said they were still not fully back, when he got revived he got more of his power back, so Post-Revival Mel is Low 6-B+, there is no argument about that
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Alright, let's get this Scaling over with

(Hunter Fest Ban, Fraudrin, Base Galand, Butterfly Elaine): High 6-C+

(Pre-Revival Meliodas, Gloxinia, Dolor, King, Diane, Derieri, Monspeet, Merlin, Grayroad, Gowther, Critical Over Galand, Calmadios, Melascula, Demon Gowther): Low 6-B

(Post-Revival Meliodas, Normal Day Escanor, Base Zeldris, Estarossa, Sariel, Tarmiel, Ludoshel, Elizabeth, 2C Estarossa, 3C Estarossa, Indura Derieri and Monspeet, Cusack, Chandler, Excalibur Arthur): Low 6-B+

(Assault Meliodas, 114,000 Escanor, The One Escanor, Fallen Angel Mael, 4C Mael, Zeldris with God, Melascula's Cocoon of Darkness, and Full Power King): 6-B

(Demon King, Supreme Deity): At least 6-B, likely higher

I think this is Good
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So who agrees with this, I just kinda want to get this scaling over with
 
Another think the power of the verse in nanatsu no taizai profile still says that the top tiers are continent level and god tiers multi continent
 
hold on... zeldris is 60k and he has a 2nd mark also.. not sure how much that mark buff or if it buffs at all.(this is a canon pic just colored).
Zeldris
 
The Danafor Thread was performed by Unsealed Meliodas pre-Revival with a confirmed PL of 56K. Not every Artstyle mistake is a retcon.

What speaks for using the 56K:

- Confirmed PL

- Confirmed event happening Unsealed pre-death

- Confirmed PL after unsealing his powers being equal to the PL from 10 years ago

What speaks for using anything but:

- One panel Art.
 
60 -130 =8A

135 - 210 =L7C

215 - 520=7C

525 - 1k= H7C

1.1k -> 1.9k= L7B

2k - 4.9k= 7B

5k - 9.9k= 7A

10k - 16k= H7A

17k- 49k= 6C

50k-109k=H6C

110k-199k = L6B

200kPL= 6B+
 
> Not every Artstyle mistake is a retcon.

So, Danafor being treated as vaporization can be dismissed due to Artstyle mistake too?

/s
 
now that i think of it... when mel got his power back.. he didnt go AM until he died.. he could've done that to beat 10c ...
 
my issues with this
1-when mel got his power back his base was 30k and 60k with mark if he had his AM why didnt he use that to beat 10c and not die, cuz he knew he would lose his emotions .
2- When he went beserk in the illusion training he didnt go AM either.. it really could just be a art issue and not a debunk or recont or any kind.. if Mel had access to his AM he would'nt have lost to 10c
 
Meliodas couldn't use AM because he was weakened. The Demon King even stated that Meliodas had grown weaker over the 3000 years after the Holy War, and that he only recovered his former power after he went to purgatory and got his emotions eated.
 
another point we still cant say berserk mel= AM mel... cuz thats not true either .. and yes but it was never stated he couldnt use AM.. he just said he got weaker cuz if thats the case as you can see in the picture the same mel that got "Weaker" HAD AM ON... checkmate
 
AM is the form when he is covered in darkness, the form he had in the Liones short story is just Demon Mark (the full power one from 3000 years ago).

And thats the thing that doesnt make sense. Meliodas is supposed to be weaker but in the Liones short story he used the full power Demon Mark.
 
AM is mostly just a mode.. we confirm it by the marking which he was using in his prime vs mael and leading the 10c... its not really him being covered in darkness... the changes make no sense and shouldnt happen.. like jack literally said "lets get it over with" lol what? no thats not how any of this shit works.. this post makes no sense. i already debunked this crap.. no way mel had AM and lost to 10c that dont make any sense at all
 
@Raven

Mel's Power was sealed after Danafor, meaning he still had his full power from years ago, his full power is the Post-Revival Mel, so to scale Danafor's destruction to Pre-Revival Meliodas would be wrong, also this is supported by the Demon Mark
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@Raven
Mel's Power was sealed after Danafor, meaning he still had his full power from years ago, his full power is the Post-Revival Mel, so to scale Danafor's destruction to Pre-Revival Meliodas would be wrong, also this is supported by the Demon Mark
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he literally got back his sealed power and lost to 10c.... if he had his full power sealed , then got it back . it wouldnt make sense for him to lose now would it?
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@Raven
Mel's Power was sealed after Danafor, meaning he still had his full power from years ago, his full power is the Post-Revival Mel, so to scale Danafor's destruction to Pre-Revival Meliodas would be wrong, also this is supported by the Demon Mark
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No, he didn't had his full power. I already posted scans about it, the Demon King confirmed that Meliodas grew weaker over the 3000 years after the Holy War.

https://i2.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/183/nanatsu-no-taizai-7840363.jpg

Meliodas in Danafor was weaker than in the Holy War. The Demon King also stated that only by eating his emotions he would regain his former power.

https://i8.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/183/nanatsu-no-taizai-7840375.jpg

The power Merlin sealed in Liones was his nerfed power of those 3000 years of peace, and that power was given back in Istar. Guess what, he only had 32k and 56k as a Demon. We also saw that Meliodas destroyed Danafor with Wrath Mark and not the Full Power one.

In any way, saying Meliodas had his full power in Danafor is absurd. The Demon King and the Istar/Vaizel Arc confirms it. We also know that Meliodas in Edinburgh was barely able to move Rhitta, and i seriously doubt a Morning Escanor is stronger that 60k Meliodas.

Meliodas having that mark in Liones looks like a mistake from Nakaba (considering that he has draw that mark a lot recently is not surprising, just like how he forgot Mael 4C had six wings).
 
Damage3245 said:
> Not every Artstyle mistake is a retcon.

So, Danafor being treated as vaporization can be dismissed due to Artstyle mistake too?

/s
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Danafor being vaporization was first indicated with a single panel in the late 100 chapters. However due to it simply might having been an inconsistency in the art style it was not applied for almost two full years more run time and 100 more chapters. Only after that and additional indicators of it being vaporization was the value changed.

If new intel becomes available in the upcoming chapters or more especially in the Meliodas gaiden that he had in fact a different PL than what is the official canon right now calling it a retcon would be plausible. But just like with the usage of the vaporization value, just referring to one panel without anything else to underline it is not applicable.
 
Alright I agree that Pre-Revival Meliodas did the Danafor Feat, however, why is that Mel 6-B, he destroyed Danafor with his current max power, that makes 56,000 Meliodas, Low 6-B+, we still need to downgrade a lot of the characters, here is my knew proposition

(Hunter Fest Ban, Fraudrin, Base Galand, Butterfly Elaine): Low 6-B

(Pre-Revival Meliodas, Gloxinia, Dolor, King, Diane, Derieri, Monspeet, Merlin, Grayroad, Gowther, Critical Over Galand, Calmadios, Melascula, Demon Gowther): Low 6-B+

(Post-Revival Meliodas, Normal Day Escanor, Base Zeldris, Estarossa, Sariel, Tarmiel, Ludoshel, Elizabeth, 2C Estarossa, 3C Estarossa, Indura Derieri and Monspeet, Cusack, Chandler, Excalibur Arthur): At least Low 6-B+

(Assault Meliodas, 114,000 Escanor, The One Escanor, Fallen Angel Mael, 4C Mael, Zeldris with God, Melascula's Cocoon of Darkness, and Full Power King): 6-B

(Demon King, Supreme Deity): At least 6-B, likely higher
 
Ok. I remember that the TC were backwards scaled from the Archangels, who were scaled from the Ocean calc we decided not to use and the TC. In short it was extremely circular, and this seems better IMO.
 
More like both at the same time, the weaker characters are getting upgraded, while the higher characters are getting downgraded
 
We had a very thorough discussion regarding this matter of scaling just in the other thread some 12 days ago. I dont feel like repeating every argument from back then and rolling back the discussion and results we had after an extensive discussion without having been given any new information from the manga.If we are given new intel or new calculations emerge a rescaling can be done.
 
Why is Grayroad Low 6-B+ and not Low 6-B out of curiosity?
 
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