MinatoSparkle
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Just a continuation of my last CRT. The databook states that when two Rasengan with inverse rotations clash together, their power more than doubles.
I'd think this is as straightforward as upgrades come, but apparently not. Basically the argument against it is that this is a physics based DC thing rather than its AP being more than doubled. But while the physics of inverse rotations clashing probably contributes to the effect of the attack, I'd argue that's just why it's a MORE than 2x increase, not why it's 2x in the first place. If it really meant it was a purely practical increase, it wouldn't talk about its actual power, it would say range of effect or effectiveness or something. Additionally, the raws are even clearer, with it saying something along the lines of generating a power more than twice that of the Rasengan.
逆回転の螺旋が中央で干渉し合うことで、"螺旋丸"の倍以上の威力が生じる。
When the counterclockwise spiral interferes with the central spiral, it generates more than double the power of "Rasengan".
The Occam's Razor interpretation would be that it's just referring to AP. Especially because we have precedence for multiple of the same attack being a huge amp, like when a bunch of fodders combining their Water Style jutsu countered a Fire Style jutsu from Madara, or when SM Naruto attacking with dozens of Massive Rasengans damaged Kurama when he easily tanked one with a tail, or when the Odama Rasengan Barrage Line stopped Madara's Wood Style which scales WAAAAAAAAAY above Base Naruto. Not proposing that every character using multiple of the same attacks at the same time should get a multiplier though, cause that's far too controversial. Just this since it has a direct statement.
This upgrade would apply to all versions of Naruto from the Pain Arc onwards, though I'm not sure if it should for SPSM Naruto since it doesn't change his rating and there are stronger attacks than the Rasengan Barrage in his AP justification anyways like the Rasenshuriken.
I'd think this is as straightforward as upgrades come, but apparently not. Basically the argument against it is that this is a physics based DC thing rather than its AP being more than doubled. But while the physics of inverse rotations clashing probably contributes to the effect of the attack, I'd argue that's just why it's a MORE than 2x increase, not why it's 2x in the first place. If it really meant it was a purely practical increase, it wouldn't talk about its actual power, it would say range of effect or effectiveness or something. Additionally, the raws are even clearer, with it saying something along the lines of generating a power more than twice that of the Rasengan.
逆回転の螺旋が中央で干渉し合うことで、"螺旋丸"の倍以上の威力が生じる。
When the counterclockwise spiral interferes with the central spiral, it generates more than double the power of "Rasengan".
The Occam's Razor interpretation would be that it's just referring to AP. Especially because we have precedence for multiple of the same attack being a huge amp, like when a bunch of fodders combining their Water Style jutsu countered a Fire Style jutsu from Madara, or when SM Naruto attacking with dozens of Massive Rasengans damaged Kurama when he easily tanked one with a tail, or when the Odama Rasengan Barrage Line stopped Madara's Wood Style which scales WAAAAAAAAAY above Base Naruto. Not proposing that every character using multiple of the same attacks at the same time should get a multiplier though, cause that's far too controversial. Just this since it has a direct statement.
This upgrade would apply to all versions of Naruto from the Pain Arc onwards, though I'm not sure if it should for SPSM Naruto since it doesn't change his rating and there are stronger attacks than the Rasengan Barrage in his AP justification anyways like the Rasenshuriken.
City level+ (Much stronger than before after his training at Mount Myōboku. Traded blows with a weakened Tendo Pain[32] [53.15 Megatons]), Island level in Sage Mode (Much stronger than his base form, as Sage Mode is stated to dramatically enhance one's Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu.[33] Consistently destroyed Pain's bodies when all or most of them were active.[34][35][36][32]. Pain stated that Naruto had pushed him farther than ever before.[37] Harmed Pain's dog summon and sent it flying with his Senpō: Chō Ōdama Rasengan.[35] The dog was capable of matching Gamaken[38], who's equal to Gamabunta.[39] Stated to have surpassed his predecessors, Jiraiya and Minato[40], the latter of whom was, as mentioned before, known to be superior to Hiruzen and Orochimaru at the time [4.3 Gigatons]), higher with Rasengan Barrage and Fūton: Rasenshuriken (Rasengan Barrage increases the Rasengan's power more than twice. His Senjutsu-enhanced Rasenshuriken is this strong [8.6 Gigatons]), far higher with Six-Tailed Kyūbi Cloak (Stronger than his KN4 state. He was able to overpower Pain's Shinra Tensei, which previously one-shot Gamabunta.[41] His Bijuudama is this strong)
City level+ (Should be as strong as he was before the war [53.15 Megatons]), Island level with Sage Mode (Should be at least as strong as before. Matched the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab's kinetic energy with his Rasengan, circumvented his LCM to crack his skin, and redirected his thrust[19] [4.3 Gigatons]), higher with Rasengan Barrage and Rasenshuriken (Rasengan Barrage increases the Rasengan's power more than twice. His Rasenshuriken was deemed to have "too much energy" by Madara.[20] His Odama Rasenshuriken was able to destroy two of Edo Hashirama's Wood Dragons[21] [8.6 Gigatons])
Island level (Stated that he was significantly stronger than he was during Pain’s Assault[22], which should put him above his Sage Mode form. Stated to have control over the Nine-Tails’ power on multiple occasions[23][24][22], and stole a massive amount of Kurama’s chakra, leaving him in an emaciated state.[25] Matched one of the V2 Jinchūriki.[26] Even while extremely low on chakra, he matched and stopped Son Goku's bite[26][27], and later stopped his strike with his chakra arms[28] [4.3 Gigatons]), higher after bonding with Kurama (Became more powerful than before due to having Kurama’s cooperation. He was able to hurt and knock down the Gedo Mazo alongside Gyūki, which was capable of no-selling Kakashi's lightning cable and 6th Gate Might Guy's assault.[29] KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke and 100H Sakura were all portrayed as being comparable to each other.[30][31][32][33] His chakra level was equally matched with EMS Sasuke's[34]), higher with Rasengan Barrage and Planetary Rasengan (Planetary Rasengan is an enhanced version of the Rasengan Barrage [8.6 Gigatons]), far higher with Rasenshuriken (Damaged Nagato's dog summon with a Rasenshuriken.[35][36] He contributed to a third of the energy output that destroyed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei with his FRS.[37] His FRS neutralized the Third Raikage's Raiton Armor and slightly damaged him[38] [15.55 Gigatons])
Island level (Far stronger than his Kyūbi Chakra Mode, as he now has access to all of Kurama's unrestricted chakra[39]. He is far superior to the Bijū, as he managed to casually send five incoming Bijū Bombs flying.[40] Was able to intercept and stop Madara's humanoid Susano'o with his chakra arm[41] With his Kurama Avatar, he easily knocked down 5 Bijū simultaneously, and effortlessly manhandled them[40] [21.5 Gigatons]), higher with stronger Rasengan variants [43 Gigatons], Large Island level (Without charging up, his regular Bijū Bomb matched the combined, charged, Bijū Bomb of five other Bijū[42] [322 Gigatons]), up to Small Country level+ (His Charged Bijū Bomb contributed a majority of the energy used to do this much damage[43] [6.2 Teratons]) with Bijū Bombs, higher with Sage Mode (Sage Mode dramatically empowers one's Ninjutsu and Taijutsu), higher with Majestic Attire: Susano'o (Stronger than his Kurama Avatar as it combined powers with Sasuke's Susano'o)
City level+ (Should be as strong as he was before the war [53.15 Megatons]), Island level with Sage Mode (Should be at least as strong as before. Matched the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab's kinetic energy with his Rasengan, circumvented his LCM to crack his skin, and redirected his thrust[19] [4.3 Gigatons]), higher with Rasengan Barrage and Rasenshuriken (Rasengan Barrage increases the Rasengan's power more than twice. His Rasenshuriken was deemed to have "too much energy" by Madara.[20] His Odama Rasenshuriken was able to destroy two of Edo Hashirama's Wood Dragons[21] [8.6 Gigatons])
Island level (Stated that he was significantly stronger than he was during Pain’s Assault[22], which should put him above his Sage Mode form. Stated to have control over the Nine-Tails’ power on multiple occasions[23][24][22], and stole a massive amount of Kurama’s chakra, leaving him in an emaciated state.[25] Matched one of the V2 Jinchūriki.[26] Even while extremely low on chakra, he matched and stopped Son Goku's bite[26][27], and later stopped his strike with his chakra arms[28] [4.3 Gigatons]), higher after bonding with Kurama (Became more powerful than before due to having Kurama’s cooperation. He was able to hurt and knock down the Gedo Mazo alongside Gyūki, which was capable of no-selling Kakashi's lightning cable and 6th Gate Might Guy's assault.[29] KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke and 100H Sakura were all portrayed as being comparable to each other.[30][31][32][33] His chakra level was equally matched with EMS Sasuke's[34]), higher with Rasengan Barrage and Planetary Rasengan (Planetary Rasengan is an enhanced version of the Rasengan Barrage [8.6 Gigatons]), far higher with Rasenshuriken (Damaged Nagato's dog summon with a Rasenshuriken.[35][36] He contributed to a third of the energy output that destroyed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei with his FRS.[37] His FRS neutralized the Third Raikage's Raiton Armor and slightly damaged him[38] [15.55 Gigatons])
Island level (Far stronger than his Kyūbi Chakra Mode, as he now has access to all of Kurama's unrestricted chakra[39]. He is far superior to the Bijū, as he managed to casually send five incoming Bijū Bombs flying.[40] Was able to intercept and stop Madara's humanoid Susano'o with his chakra arm[41] With his Kurama Avatar, he easily knocked down 5 Bijū simultaneously, and effortlessly manhandled them[40] [21.5 Gigatons]), higher with stronger Rasengan variants [43 Gigatons], Large Island level (Without charging up, his regular Bijū Bomb matched the combined, charged, Bijū Bomb of five other Bijū[42] [322 Gigatons]), up to Small Country level+ (His Charged Bijū Bomb contributed a majority of the energy used to do this much damage[43] [6.2 Teratons]) with Bijū Bombs, higher with Sage Mode (Sage Mode dramatically empowers one's Ninjutsu and Taijutsu), higher with Majestic Attire: Susano'o (Stronger than his Kurama Avatar as it combined powers with Sasuke's Susano'o)
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