Rasengan Barrage is more than a 2x amp

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, taking 2 or 3 punches that are 1000 Joules each =/= the same as a single 2000 or 3000 Joule punch respectively. I already know consecutive punches vs a strong single punch often mixes up endurance with what actual durability is. But a multitude of simultaneous punches also doesn't work the same way, especially if clearly lacks the pressure of a single strike. They do not stack up linearly.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yeah, taking 2 or 3 punches that are 1000 Joules each =/= the same as a single 2000 or 3000 Joule punch respectively. I already know consecutive punches vs a strong single punch often mixes up endurance with what actual durability is. But a multitude of simultaneous punches also doesn't work the same way, especially if clearly lacks the pressure of a single strike. They do not stack up linearly.

Do you agree with the thread?

 

[SlendVeny]

Yeah, taking 2 or 3 punches that are 1000 Joules each =/= the same as a single 2000 or 3000 Joule punch respectively. I already know consecutive punches vs a strong single punch often mixes up endurance with what actual durability is. But a multitude of simultaneous punches also doesn't work the same way, especially if clearly lacks the pressure of a single strike. They do not stack up linearly.

Exactly, this is more like taking 2 punches that are fused together.

 

[Nierre]

The probability of tens to hundreds of rasengan launched simultaneously having uniform rotations all at once is highly unlikely.

Except Naruto is the one that controls said rotations lol. He can control the way they rotate. That's the whole point of the attack. You saying that it's unlikely is irrelevant because we're shown that he's able to.

 

[Nierre]

The question is whether or not the technique at its base form is 2x simply because there are two rasengan

No. I've given the reason why and the Databook literally says why.

which is the simplest and most logical solution to draw from the information given despite OP saying there isn't enough to go on for that conclusion.

I don't think you properly read my post. Or the Databook. Or even the OP.

The Databook doesn't say the power more than doubles because there are just two rasengans. The Databook says the power more than doubles because of the inverse rotations.

 

[Golden_Void]

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You are the one that is not properly reading my post. Anyway, waiting for Damage's response.

 

[Ped2018]

Anyway, waiting for Damage's response.

 

[Nierre]

Yeah, taking 2 or 3 punches that are 1000 Joules each =/= the same as a single 2000 or 3000 Joule punch respectively. I already know consecutive punches vs a strong single punch often mixes up endurance with what actual durability is. But a multitude of simultaneous punches also doesn't work the same way, especially if clearly lacks the pressure of a single strike. They do not stack up linearly.

Could you give your thoughts on the OP whenever you can?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I've updated the OP taking the new revisions into account

 

[Stryker861]

Yeah, taking 2 or 3 punches that are 1000 Joules each =/= the same as a single 2000 or 3000 Joule punch respectively. I already know consecutive punches vs a strong single punch often mixes up endurance with what actual durability is. But a multitude of simultaneous punches also doesn't work the same way, especially if clearly lacks the pressure of a single strike. They do not stack up linearly.

So uhh what is your vote on this crt

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[Stryker861]

We hit the mandatory 1 month mark

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's the Sparkle curse

 

[Stryker861]

Ask DDm on his message wall to come give a explicit vote ig

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bump

 

[Padaruyos]

I think there should be some changes to the OP with the recent Top Tiers revision.

Now, do we consider giving TBB the 2x multiplier as well? Since it's a superior technique to Rasengan Barrage. If so then the scaling will be like this.

KCM2 Naruto: 98.6 Teratons.
With Rasengan Barrage and TBB: 197.2 Teratons
KSM Naruto: 100 TT
With techniques: 200 TT
Juubito: 300-400 TT (400 TT if Sasuke's Susano'o arrow is considered equal to Naruto's Senjutsu TBB)

 

[Trihexa102]

I think there should be some changes to the OP with the recent Top Tiers revision.

Now, do we consider giving TBB the 2x multiplier as well? Since it's a superior technique to Rasengan Barrage. If so then the scaling will be like this.

KCM2 Naruto: 98.6 Teratons.
With Rasengan Barrage and TBB: 197.2 Teratons
KSM Naruto: 100 TT
With techniques: 200 TT
Juubito: 300-400 TT (400 TT if his Susano'o arrow is considered equal to Naruto's Senjutsu TBB)

definitely need a sage mode multiplier, right now it just adds 3% to war arc naruto when using KCM, to better scale juubito.

 

[Padaruyos]

Madara and Hashirama would also receive some changes if the 2x multiplier TBB is applied. Which I think is sensible given that during Hashirama vs Madara battle:

Kurama's TBB busted through Hashirama's wood dragon, who restrained Kurama physically.
Hashirama's Mokujin (Wood Golem) got obliterated when Kurama's TBB exploded, even though it caught the TBB easily.
Madara felt the need to protect Kurama and himself with his Susano'o when the TBB exploded right in front of him.

Kurama: 197,2 TT
Kurama's TBB: 394,4
Majestic Attire Susano'o: 394,4 TT
Hashirama Shinsusenju: 394,4 TT
Majestic Attire Susano'o TBB: 788,8 TT (6-A)
Shinsusenju Chojo Kebutsu: 788,8 TT

 

[Trihexa102]

Madara and Hashirama would also receive some changes if the 2x multiplier TBB is applied. Which I think is sensible given that during Hashirama vs Madara battle:

Kurama's TBB busted through Hashirama's wood dragon, who restrained Kurama physically.
Hashirama's Mokujin (Wood Golem) got obliterated when Kurama's TBB exploded, even though it caught the TBB easily.
Madara felt the need to protect Kurama and himself with his Susano'o when the TBB exploded right in front of him.

Kurama: 197,2 TT
Kurama's TBB: 394,4
Majestic Attire Susano'o: 394,4 TT
Hashirama Shinsusenju: 394,4 TT
Majestic Attire Susano'o TBB: 788,8 TT (6-A)
Shinsusenju Chojo Kebutsu: 788,8 TT

so they would still scale higher than juubito? apart from nunoboku.

 

[Padaruyos]

so they would still scale higher than juubito? apart from nunoboku.

Yep, I think so.

 

[Trihexa102]

Yep, I think so.

hmm i guess there is need to wank sage mode/senjutsu a bit, to around 3x-5x, which i doubt would pass through , but oh well.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Hm I agree that Bijuudama>Rasengan Barrage but even though it should be insanely obvious, I'm not sure there's a direct way to prove it. If staff agree with that I'll add it

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Stryker861]

Hm I agree that Bijuudama>Rasengan Barrage but even though it should be insanely obvious, I'm not sure there's a direct way to prove it. If staff agree with that I'll add it

one way you could prove it is that kcm naruto wanted to try damaging ay the 3rd with the jubidama instead of rasengan barrage

 

[Stryker861]

So what are you proposing exactly?

Because if this is a proposal for a 3x multiplier instead, then I'm not in favor of that.

So uhhh Lord Damage do you agree with the 2x amp for Rasengan barrage and narutoes other techniques that scale above it like Rasenshuriken and beast bombs so we can keep this truckin

 

[Stryker861]

painful bump

 

[Stryker861]

Last bump before i let this get banished to the shadow realm

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Did this ever go through or...?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

sadly not

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

sadly not

Well that's a shame, it's such an easy amp to add to his profile.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Arc had a very funny and accurate quote fitting this situation

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Arc had a very funny and accurate quote fitting this situation

That being?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't remember it clearly but smthn about Naruto staff support being dead

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I don't remember it clearly but smthn about Naruto staff support being dead

Sounds about right.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I could go bump it in the General Discussion thread if you want. This is way too important of an ability to just pass up considering its a whole power amplifying ability.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I could go bump it in the General Discussion thread if you want. This is way too important of an ability to just pass up considering its a whole power amplifying ability.

Feel free

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Imma throw this thread a bone, cause damn, ya'll have waited long enough. Can I get a summary of the proposals and what the counters/contentions are? Quoting the relevant posts would do just as well, too.

 

[Stryker861]

Imma throw this thread a bone, cause damn, ya'll have waited long enough. Can I get a summary of the proposals and what the counters/contentions are? Quoting the relevant posts would do just as well, too.

If sparkle doesn't get to it I'll do it in a bit