Questions about GER

[Quibster]

TL;DR is...

Does Giorno Giovanna's GER RtZ and Death Loop affect Robots? And do all Robot have Willpower, along with mindless characters that supposedly don't have willpower?

What defines Willpower?

Edit: Guess we can use this thread as a Q&A about GER

 

[Eficiente]

The willpower manip doesn't work on robots as it never shows doing so, the rest still works. Some may say that willpower manip is just a part of its Causality Manipulation, but there is no evidence of it.

 

[Ionliosite]

Robots aren't affected by conventional mind hax, so they wouldn't be affected by willpower manip.

 

[Quibster]

So RtZ can't work on some Robots, same with Causality Manipulation?

Does Causality Manipulation only apply to beings with life?

 

[Antoniofer]

No, Willpower Manipulation doesn't work on robots cuz they have no emotions nor mind, they can still be affected by Causality Manipulation.

 

[Quibster]

Guess I should make some matches with Giorno against Robots.

 

[Zel97]

It would most likely be an incon or giorno gets AP stomp. But if you manage to find a cool ger match that'd be nice,i personally hate ger matches due to the stand's vagueness . There was a discussion about ger having a bfr ability but no one did a crt on it

 

[Eficiente]

No, no. Only the willpower manip doesn't work. GER may have bfr but only after killing its targets.

 

[Zel97]

Yh but willpower manip is ger's only way to beat someone with higher dura,without it it'd just be an incon

 

[Quibster]

Only the Manga and Databooks are canon according to Lonliosite.

Everything else is not canon. That true?

Edit: Just changed the thread title to "Questions about GER"

 

[Antoniofer]

Although, technically a robot can't be killed due not being alive to begin with, so I doubt it can be "death-looped" (it could "destroy-loop" it, but that wouldn't have any sense against a robot), in whose case transmutate it into a living being should be enough. And as I said, Causality Manipulation still works.

 

[Zel97]

Only the Manga and Databooks are canon according to Lonliosite.

Everything else is not canon. That true?

Edit: Just changed the thread title to "Questions about GER"

Correct. I still believe novel ger should have its own profile. For starters it was shown that ger is thought-based,well at least it was implied to be. Ger also bfred pucci which actually makes sense as it bfrs diavolo an infinite amount of times. The only diff is ger bfred pucci without killing him first

 

[Zel97]

Manga ger is too vague man,ger matches are always a mess because of it

 

[Ionliosite]

My name is not Lonliosite.

 

[Quibster]

Oh. It's an Uppercase I. My bad.

 

[Quibster]

@Antoniofer

But GER has never performed RtZ against a robot, and is a life-based stand. Are Robots bound by the Laws of Causality?

 

[Ionliosite]

Are Robots bound by the Laws of Causality?

Everything that isn't Acausal is bond by those laws, so yes.

 

[Eficiente]

Yh but willpower manip is ger's only way to beat someone with higher dura,without it it'd just be an inco

No, it's not. Going by "ignore durability=use hax" then the Causality Manipulation is still there, if the targets have nothing to do about it then their actions still get returned to 0, leaving them helpless.

 

[Eficiente]

@Antoniofer
But GER has never performed RtZ against a robot, and is a life-based stand. Are Robots bound by the Laws of Causality?

GE's powers are life-related, GER has the same and Causality-based powers. The latter is being used. Causality means "the relationship between cause and effect" and/or "the principle that everything has a cause.", I hope you can see how robots have no reason to be exempt to this due to being robots.

 

[Zel97]

No, it's not. Going by "ignore durability=use hax" then the Causality Manipulation is still there, if the targets have nothing to do about it then their actions still get returned to 0, leaving them helpless.

Im terribly sorry but i cant understand your point,how can causality manip give ger the win? Its mostly use defensively. If ger cant incap people with high dura via willpower manip then it should be incon via rtz constantly resetting the enemy's actions to 0

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Can Giorno revert any action or just attacks.

 

[Zel97]

Can Giorno revert any action or just attacks.

Attacks i believe,diavolo was still able to erase time but when he attacked ger he got reverted to 0 meaning any hostile action towards giorno will be revert to 0

 

[Eficiente]

GER reverts everything but it activates with attacks/something wanting to harm Giorno. Mista was shooting before the RtZ and had to do it again afterwards.

 

[Antoniofer]

It reverts actions, basically negating causality.

 

[Wardokman69]

how about his BFR work?

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Would poison or a poisonous berry kill Giorno if he eats it without knowing or by accident?

 

[Zel97]

how about his BFR work?

In cannon his bfr works in tandem with death loop . If we count novel feats, ger is able to bfr people without actually killing them

https://m.imgur.com/eofIY7

 

[Eficiente]

Im terribly sorry but i cant understand your point,how can causality manip give ger the win? Its mostly use defensively. If ger cant incap people with high dura via willpower manip then it should be incon via rtz constantly resetting the enemy's actions to 0

We don't really know how much time they will have their willpower put at 0, same with their actions. But if that could happen one time then so can a second one. GER will have to punch them over and over or use poison from animals, idk. I don't have much more to say about the matter.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Does GER lose the ability to make animals that hurt the enemy if they attack them?

 

[Zel97]

Does GER lose the ability to make animals that hurt the enemy if they attack them?

Ger is able to use the life-giving ability as shown when he shot the rock at diavolo so i dont see why it cant use that ability as well

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Wait so we don't assume gers willpower manip can effect entities who resist mind manipulation (OR entities immune inverse?)

 

[Zel97]

No,ger's willpower manip cant bypass resistance to mind manip

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

so the people that insisted it was casality manip and would bypass mental resistances/immunities were wanking?

 

[Antoniofer]

I believe they shouldn't, manipulating causality is something more "deep" or "primal" than mind manipulation, like someone that is immune to biological manipulation can't avoid being age reverted by time manipulation.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Can he bypass resistances to mind manip or not? Just trying to be clear here as I was told it would bypass resistances/immunities.

 

[Eficiente]

Stands usually have one ability, and they can use other powers that are similar to that ability even if doing so looks like bullsh*t, that's canon in JoJo. GE's ability to create life gives it all the powers you see in Giorno's profile, as GER can do some of that it is assumed that it can do all the other powers that are based on the same ability to create life, because "it didn't lose its other Stand ability" is better than "it can use some of its other powers from its other Stand ability but not all of them to an interpretable/random extent".

 

[Zel97]

Can he bypass resistances to mind manip or not? Just trying to be clear here as I was told it would bypass resistances/immunities.

Now im not sure,its either ger's willpower manip directly targets the enemy's mind or it is done by reverting causality(which indirectly resets the opponent's willpower)

 

[Zel97]

I asked chariot once about this issue and he said this


"idk, RTZ technically isnt even causality manipulation, its just what it most closely resembles and it can perform causality manip. RTZ itself isnt c&e manip, otherwise shit like giving diavolo a brand new uniqe death would be literally impossible as if it was only c&e manip GER would only be able to give it deaths that had already happened or deaths that will happen, not force a new death completely unrelated to anything ad infitum. Completely ignoring GER can do things like BFR with RTZ which isnt related to c&e manip or fly or etc. Will power manip though, it could be causality manip or empath manip or even mind manip, we dont know, GER only had one canon appearance and Araki was vague on what it can do and how it does things. So the answer is idk, maybe, maybe not."

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

If thats the case Im leaning more on no then, simply because theres no evidence to really support it being a result of causality manip and the stand clearly doing other things that don't make much sense in the grand scheme. It just feels odd to wank off and ability so ill defined... Thats just my take though...

 

[Ionliosite]

The problem is that, in canon, GER's power is barely even defined. Non-canon material go on more deep regarding GER, but we can't use that.