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[Kaltias]

Madoka doesn't actually destroy the concept of witches in ep 12, what she does is creating/becoming the concept of "destruction of witches".

While the result is similar, she does not destroy the concept to do that, so she should lose concept destruction.

This also nerfs UKG's regen and nonexistent physiology a bit.

Edit: This turned into a general revision thread

 

[TriforcePower1]

Those were my thoughts back when I saw that episode. I agree

 

[DMB_1]

I thought the same thing as Triforce when I first watched PMMM.

I agree.

 

[First_Witch]

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Oof that's quite the downgrade.

But Kal's right.

 

[Kaltias]

It doesn't really change much tbh.

She is still fully capable of imposing her own laws upon reality and doing the whole "You aren't allowed to exist" stuff.

At most it's a problem against people as abstract as her.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Does UKG's nonexistence get downgraded to type 1?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, type 2 is the one that is 1-A in scale, so it was always type 1

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Kal and DMB1

More unexpected that this

 

[Kaltias]

But why tho

 

[TriforcePower1]

Because why not

 

[DMB_1]

I mean, type 2 is the one that is 1-A in scale, so it was always type 1

Not anymore to my knowledge. Basically, form what it was agreed at the end of the thread, Type 2 is simply lacking a cocnept.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I mean, type 2 is the one that is 1-A in scale, so it was always type 1

I remember type 1 is just physically being nothing and type 2 is lacking a concept.

 

[Kaltias]

I guess. Not like UKG's NP was specified to begin with, unless someone made a CRT for it that I missed

 

[DMB_1]

I guess. Not like UKG's NP was specified to begin with, unless someone made a CRT for it that I missed

Actually, in that thread, UGK was one of the characters mentioned as one of the examples for type 2 in that thread. Not sure how this downgrade changes this thought.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

There was the revision on Nonexistent Physiology and it was brought up that UKG would fall under type 2 due to the whole "my concept was already deleted."

 

[Kaltias]

This downgrade makes UKG's nonexistent physiology "normal" because Madoka simply EE'd all witches instead of destroying the concept of "witch".

 

[DMB_1]

I mean, she did that all throughout space and time of the multiverse, so it's still pretty impressive.

 

[Kaltias]

Well yeah, it's still 2-A in scale, it simply isn't conceptual

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I assume that also means Madoka's nonexistence erasure (the one she used on UKG after she came back) will no longer be better than standard conceptual erasure.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, Madoka won't have conceptual erasure if this goes through, so yeah.

A concept shaping reality is not the same as destroying other concepts

 

[RKGenki]

We already discussed this, so you know I agree

 

[The_Causality]

Well, Nil is maybe a Type 2 Non existent characters but i'll wait WoG statemates about Nil (even if i've no need of them, it's still a good support)

Anyway, Madoka is still stronger than Moon Well sh*t

 

[SomebodyData]

> Kal Makes PMMM thread

Ah, so maybe Kal finally posted the downgrade thread that was supposed to be done months ago

> Completely unrelated

At this point, I'm 100% sure Kal just wants to keep the current wank for normal magical girls :/

Anyways, can I add the rest of the downgrades/ updates to this thread, or should I make another one?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I also remember Mid-Godly was supposed to be removed for Ultimate Madoka and Akuma Homura as they're type 1 abstracts.

 

[SomebodyData]

^Yep

And we're supposed to downgrade all of the normal magical girls down several tiers + some other ability stuff that we found / I found some days ago

 

[Hans0l013123897]

Agree

 

[Kaltias]

At this point, I'm 100% sure Kal just wants to keep the current wank for normal magical girls :/

Or maybe it was because the discussion about what we should do with the 7-Cs died?

Regardless yeah, post the other updates here

 

[SomebodyData]

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre

Yeah here we go:

For Groups of Characters

• Self-Sustenance (Type 1, 2, and 3): For everyone. Scaled from Homura Akemi (Episode 12), Itzli (Traveled from space), Patricia and those who fought her (Her barrier is extremely high in the sky, which means there is little to no oxygen up there). They're all zombies so the rest comes naturally.
• Non-Physical Interaction and Higher-Dimensional Existence: For God-Tiers (Except AoC).
• Regenerationn (Mid-Low) and Air Manipulation: For Rumors. Scaled from the Bear Rumor.
• Non-Corporeal or Regenerationn (Low-Godly): For LoC Assistants. Scaled from Nagisa (DidNothingRight pointed out that LoC Nagisa was stated be "A soul capable of assuming a physical form" in Magia Record)

For Specific Characters

• Removing Regenerationn (Mid-Godly): For Ultimate Madoka and Akuma Homura. Basically just redundant when they have Abstract Existence type 1.
• Corruption: For UKG. Can corrupt the beings down to their very 'purpose'.
• Resistance to Poison Manipulation: For Kyubey. Unaffected by a toxin released by Hinano (Flashback) in Mitama's Alina Chapter.
• Preparation: For Mitama. In Mitama's own training chapter, she booby traps her building with a lot of trap doors.
• Large Size (Type 8 for avatars, Type 9 for conceptual form): For Ultimate Madoka. Gen Urobuchi stated that Ultimate Madoka's skirt is the actual universe.
• Add the following names: "Fairy", "Universe Witch", and "Hyper Ultimate Madoka" under names section. (All nicknames for Kyubey, UKG, and Ult. Madoka from the staff)
• Minor note: Gekidan Inu-Curry is considered the biggest player when it comes to the PMMM lore, not Gen urobutcher (Who apparently just wrote the plot outline and character dialogue and has apparently denounced PMMM <The latter I haven't found confirmation on tho>)

Should I also post tier stuff while I'm at it? Since we don't have any feats currently, can't hurt to just update them to what we do know.

 

[MYHERO]

 

[SomebodyData]

Akuma Homura can't, and never has.

 

[MYHERO]

I just found this in the recent photo section :/

 

[SomebodyData]

Fake news already, and the downgrade hasn't even gone through yet. tsk tsk tsk

But hold on a second, this isn't a downgrade thread.

This is literally switching Conceptual EE for passive EE that should be able to kill witches like Lapi and still affect UKG so its basically conceptual EE except it's (in-name) not.

Kal trying to trick us, smh.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Speaking of UKG.

Does she get to keep her concept hax via fighting Madoka or no?

 

[SomebodyData]

I mean, Conceptual Destruction is probably gone. Everything else that is conceptual manip related is the same.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Akuma Homura can't, and never has.

She can still mindhax the crap out of them and split beings from their concepts.

 

[SomebodyData]

But what does that have to do with the fake news tho @Shadow

 

[MYHERO]

Tbf Kal never said this was a downgrade, you got your own snowball rolling down.

 

[SomebodyData]

@MYHERO well shoot, you got a point. Even when people think it's a downgrade thread, it's actually an upgrade thread.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Anyways the list of revisions Data has seems good, I'd go with Low-Godly regen for LoC Assistants.