Puella Magi Verse: Revival Discussion Thread

[Shadowbeast]

Strym can do it. He has made a revision thread before. He just need to write up the recap from the last thread.

Strym seems to be a bit busy at the moment. I also think it's better to organize the information better now and make a clean thread since this is tier 1 stuff and those kind of upgrades always needs to be well described in the thread. I also think that we can cook the PMMM verse to Low 1-A

 

[Unqver]

Strym seems to be a bit busy at the moment. I also think it's better to organize the information better now and make a clean thread since this is tier 1 stuff and those kind of upgrades always needs to be well described in the thread. I also think that we can cook the PMMM verse to Low 1-A

How many roles do you think will get this position?

 

[Shadowbeast]

How many roles do you think will get this position?

Roles? wdym?

 

[Unqver]

Roles? wdym?

How many characters do you think pmmm will be promoted to h1-b or low1-A due to the feat of null Magic girl

 

[StrymULTRA]

stopping the Earth's rotation and revolution seems to take a lot of time

Idk dude, it seems that it'll happen in quite a short time from how it's said. Plus a City level can't hope to match a Moon level no matter how hard they hit it.

 

[Shadowbeast]

How many characters do you think pmmm will be promoted to h1-b or low1-A due to the feat of null Magic girl

Check Jinsye's blog profile, the only ones affected will be Kosane, Godoka and Homucifer (God-Tiers of the verse only).

 

[Shadowbeast]

And I'm not very sure why Walpurisnacht in an inverted state can obtain 5-C, and stopping the Earth's rotation and revolution seems to take a lot of time

Check this:

The Earth's rotational energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Unqver]

Idk dude, it seems that it'll happen in quite a short time from how it's said. Plus a City level can't hope to match a Moon level no matter how hard they hit it.

However, there is no stop rotation in TV, so do you think Walpurgisnacht takes a short time?

 

[StrymULTRA]

However, there is no stop rotation in TV, so do you think Walpurgisnacht takes a short time?

I know she never does it, but it supports her being extremely above the normal cast.

 

[Unqver]

Check this:

The Earth's rotational energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

I don't doubt that stopping rotation is 5-C. I just doubt how long it will take Walpurgisnacht to finish it. After all, the total energy is calculated, not the energy in an instant.

 

[Unqver]

Check Jinsye's blog profile, the only ones affected will be Kosane, Godoka and Homucifer (God-Tiers of the verse only).

In fact, I don't think Kiriha Kosane can surpass tart's ()

 

[Unqver]

I know she never does it, but it supports her being extremely above the normal cast.

However, no one can prove how long this opera is, and what makes me curious is why it is not directly rated based on the heroic act of upright Walpurisnacht, who instantly overturned all civilizations on Earth, but solely based on this description without a clear time?

 

[StrymULTRA]

However, no one can prove how long this opera is, and what makes me curious is why it is not directly rated based on the heroic act of upright Walpurisnacht, who instantly overturned all civilizations on Earth, but solely based on this description without a clear time?

Ok so.

We usually take this kind of shit for Joules/seconds, or how many Joules are released per hit, it's kinda the same here.

Walp is rn at 2.58e29 Joules. If we assume it takes a month (a random value here) to stop the rotation, in 30 days we have 108000 seconds.

2.58e29 / 108000 = 2.38888889e24 Joules, which is Large Country. Aka not even with that Mami or Homura would have been capable of remotely bother here. No matter how much you downplay Walp, it's still completely beyond the main cast.

 

[Unqver]

Ok so.

We usually take this kind of shit for Joules/seconds, or how many Joules are released per hit, it's kinda the same here.

Walp is rn at 2.58e29 Joules. If we assume it takes a month (a random value here) to stop the rotation, in 30 days we have 108000 seconds.

2.58e29 / 108000 = 2.38888889e24 Joules, which is Large Country. Aka not even with that Mami or Homura would have been capable of remotely bother here. No matter how much you downplay Walp, it's still completely beyond the main cast.

So what is the relationship between this and the actual performance of Madoka and Homura killing Walpurisnacht on the second timeline? Is it because it is unreasonable to refuse actual performance? The geats of low1-c claim he they cannot resist the power of nature, should he also be downgraded (although I think everything about Kamen Rider in this wiki is a bit wrong.Although I believe that the correct level for geats should also be 5-c)

 

[StrymULTRA]

So what is the relationship between this and the actual performance of Madoka and Homura killing Walpurisnacht on the second timeline? Is it because it is unreasonable to refuse actual performance?

Because Madoka and Homura being 5-C is absolutely nonsense with the verse's scaling lmao.

The geats of low1-c claim he they cannot resist the power of nature, should he also be downgraded (although I think everything about Kamen Rider in this wiki is a bit wrong.Although I believe that the correct level for geats should also be 5-c)

Idgaf about Kamen Rider.

 

[Unqver]

Because Madoka and Homura being 5-C is absolutely nonsense with the verse's scaling lmao.

Idgaf about Kamen Rider.

However, the reality is that Walpurisnacht's positioning is very low (excluding the recent sence0's heroic performance), EVE treats Walpurisnacht as food, Mirrors Witch and the symbolic witch directly suppress Walpurisnacht, Isabeau's split body is directly claimed to be on the same level as Walpurisnacht, bro. Let's think about it from a different perspective, why are we obsessed with Homura and Madoka at this level, A normal author would never consider the issue of combat effectiveness, only the plot

 

[StrymULTRA]

However, the reality is that Walpurisnacht's positioning is very low (excluding the recent sence0's heroic performance), EVE treats Walpurisnacht as food, Mirrors Witch and the symbolic witch directly suppress Walpurisnacht, Isabeau's split body is directly claimed to be on the same level as Walpurisnacht, bro. Let's think about it from a different perspective, why are we obsessed with Homura and Madoka at this level, A normal author would never consider the issue of combat effectiveness, only the plot

Because they're Tier 7 in literally any other showing lmao?

 

[Unqver]

Because they're Tier 7 in literally any other showing lmao?

And bro, Walpurisnacht's attack on the magical girl is very obvious, it's just summoning various weather or relying on various buildings. Walpurisnacht won't use her stop rotation to attack the magical girl

 

[StrymULTRA]

And bro, Walpurisnacht's attack on the magical girl is very obvious, it's just summoning various weather or relying on various buildings. Walpurisnacht won't use her stop rotation to attack the magical girl

If you take this thing literally then she uses not even City Block level attacks.

It's because of magic being a UES, thus anything they do scales to all their attacks.

 

[Unqver]

If you take this thing literally then she uses not even City Block level attacks.

It's because of magic being a UES, thus anything they do scales to all their atta

But isn't the property of Walpurisnacht powerless?

 

[StrymULTRA]

But isn't the property of Walpurisnacht powerless?

No. It's still magic lmfao

 

[Unqver]

No. It's still magic lmfao

The Witch of the stage (commonly known as walpulkus night / unknown name). The nature is powerless.
The symbol of the continuing fool. A mysterious witch handed down in history.
Keep all around the world without changing the whole of this world to play.
When the doll in the reverse position usually comes to the top, it flies at the speed like the storm
It turns over the civilization of the ground in an instant.
舞台装置の魔女(通称・ワルプルギスの夜 / 本名不明)。その性質は無力。

回り続ける愚者の象徴。歴史の中で語り継がれる謎の魔女。

この世の全てを戯曲へ変えてしまうまで無軌道に世界中を回り続ける。

普段逆さ位置にある人形が上部へ来た時、暴風の如き速度で飛行し

瞬く間に地表の文明をひっくり返してしまう。

 

[StrymULTRA]

What

 

[Unqver]

What

The property of Walpurgisnacht is powerless, so she outputs the problem and the hit problem, perhaps we can consider it from here

 

[StrymULTRA]

The property of Walpurgisnacht is powerless, so she outputs the problem and the hit problem, perhaps we can consider it from here

You're taking it too literally. It's not powerless at all if it beats the living shit out of Homura everytime.

Btw should we do like Touhou and use just the PMMM wiki for scripts? Given it's the most accurate and it has the scripts of both the anime and the movies.

 

[Unqver]

You're taking it too literally. It's not powerless at all if it beats the living shit out of Homura everytime.

Btw should we do like Touhou and use just the PMMM wiki for scripts? Given it's the most accurate and it has the scripts of both the anime and the movies.

I think comic books and novels will do.

 

[Shadowbeast]

Btw should we do like Touhou and use just the PMMM wiki for scripts? Given it's the most accurate and it has the scripts of both the anime and the movies.

In my opinion, yes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I think comic books and novels will do.

I talk about anime stuff lol

 

[Unqver]

I talk about anime stuff lol

What I mean is that comic books and novels related to the TV theater version should also be included

 

[Leafbladie]

So what is the relationship between this and the actual performance of Madoka and Homura killing Walpurisnacht on the second timeline? Is it because it is unreasonable to refuse actual performance? The geats of low1-c claim he they cannot resist the power of nature, should he also be downgraded (although I think everything about Kamen Rider in this wiki is a bit wrong.Although I believe that the correct level for geats should also be 5-c)

In Scene 0 it’s revealed that Madoka and Homura failed to defeat Walpurgisnight in that timeline. Apparently they even had Kyoko’s help then (cause Mami died). They were just able to hold it off, that’s all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What I mean is that comic books and novels related to the TV theater version should also be included

Thank you captain obvious. I was strictly talking about the TV content we use.

 

[Unqver]

In Scene 0 it’s revealed that Madoka and Homura failed to defeat Walpurgisnight in that timeline. Apparently they even had Kyoko’s help then (cause Mami died). They were just able to hold it off, that’s all.

? Novels and comics all have a dual recognition of defeating Walpurisnacht. If sence0 is used, how can the fourth timeline be explained

 

[Leafbladie]

? Novels and comics all have a dual recognition of defeating Walpurisnacht.

Source please?

If sence0 is used, how can the fourth timeline be explained

The fourth timeline we observe in episode 10 actually isn’t the fourth timeline that Homura experiences. It’s now most likely the one that directlyn precedes the timeline we see for most of the show. It has to be sometime after Mabayu disappears at the very least.

 

[Unqver]

The above is a novel.

This is a cartoon.
Besides, I will punish you for watching it again.Episode 10 I don't depend on anyone anymore

 

[Unqver]

Source please?

The fourth timeline we observe in episode 10 actually isn’t the fourth timeline that Homura experiences. It’s now most likely the one that directlyn precedes the timeline we see for most of the show. It has to be sometime after Mabayu disappears at the very least.

Also, shouldn't we treat sence0 as a separate timeline?

 

[Leafbladie]

The above is a novel.

This is a cartoon.
Besides, I will punish you for watching it again.Episode 10 I don't depend on anyone anymore

You’re just giving covers of it. I meant you need to give pages within the book showing that timeline 4 we see in episode 10 is actually meant to definitely be the 4th timeline that Homura experiences.



Here’s a source showing that in the second timeline, despite their best efforts, they aren’t able to defeat Walpurgisnight, even with Kyoko’s help.

 

[Leafbladie]

Also, shouldn't we treat sence0 as a separate timeline?

 

[Unqver]

You’re just giving covers of it. I meant you need to give pages within the book showing that timeline 4 we see in episode 10 is actually meant to definitely be the 4th timeline that Homura experiences.



Here’s a source showing that in the second timeline, despite their best efforts, they aren’t able to defeat Walpurgisnight, even with Kyoko’s help.

However, the fact is that there is no Sakura Kyouko in the second timeline.

 

[Unqver]

However, the fact is that there is no Sakura Kyouko in the second timeline.

I think I can prove that I did go through sence0.The problem is that I really don't know how to evaluate the conflicting plots, so I think it is best to regard it as an independent timeline.

 

[Leafbladie]

However, the fact is that there is no Sakura Kyouko in the second timeline.

Kyoko collapses at 39:30 in the video

That’s why we don’t see her for the rest of the fight.

It technically could be possible that they defeated Walpurgisnight in this timeline, as we don’t see Walpy run off like we do in the others. Maybe Madoka gave a suicide attack similar to the one we saw at the end of the MagiReco anime.

However, even if she did defeat Walpurgisnight here, you could just argue that this is anweaker Walpurgisnight. Tamura Magica revealed to us that Walpurgisnight varies in power from timeline to timeline. Which makes sense if you think of Walpurgnisght as a conglomeration of many Witches. The strength of the individual Witches that combine to make it would likely be a determining factor in how strong it is.