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Address the 3D2Y special as well, for formality’s sake.
Oh man, just wait for that kind of statement to show up in the manga itself.
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Address the 3D2Y special as well, for formality’s sake.
My spite eagerly awaits it as well zeheheheheheheOh man, just wait for that kind of statement to show up in the manga itself.
Kizaru has the Light Light Fruit. He becomes light. There's nothing more complicated than that, and there has been no showing to disprove it. Nothing has been shown to disprove the laser weaponry other characters use either. It's incredibly consistent.I agree that there really should be open discussion for these types of things. At the end of the day, it should be whatever calculations are the most mathematically accurate are the ones that should be used in the scaling chains save for things that may or may not be considered outliers. But whether or not certain feats have the scientific backing to be legit lightspeed lasers and characters outpacing them enough to qualify for FTL is a different story and people should be welcome to discuss their honest opinions and give out their reasons for it.
This doesn't address the common argument for "Kizaru being SoL is a hard cap on him and the verse", which is ridiculous.How about this: "Any attempts to use Kizaru to downplay the FTL ratings will be formally dismissed. This wiki accepts Kizaru's DF as natural light, he said that his attacks travel at the speed of light, a statement that has been confirmed by many guidelines, characters and Oda himself. Since we have confirmation that Kizaru's light travel at SOL, the Pacifista and Queen's laser beams are treated as SOL.
i disagree FRAthe FRA spam for things that got rejected
Most people usually trying to downplay Kizaru's DF first. I found it necessary to address this first.This doesn't address the common argument for "Kizaru being SoL is a hard cap on him and the verse", which is ridiculous.
For narrative sakes, I do see Oda doing a 180 and saying Lightspeed is still fast for characters like Luffy
Yeah, that sounds more plausible.Make it more simple for users to comprehend. A simple "Do not try to downgrade the speed of the verse while using Kizaru as a basis. Several characters in the show are shown reacting to light speed attacks, in this same token don't attempt to downgrade the speed of the verse using the argument that only Kenbunshoku Haki users can react to light speed, this was proven to be a mistranslation."
I don't think we need a straight up verse rule.How about this: "Any attempts to use Kizaru to downgrade the FTL ratings will be formally dismissed. This wiki accepts Kizaru's DF as natural light, he said that his attacks travel at the speed of light, a statement that has been confirmed by many guidelines, characters and Oda himself. Since we have confirmation that Kizaru's light travel at SOL, the Pacifista and Queen's laser beams are treated as SOL.
nah **** oda we gon ignore himFor narrative sakes, I do see Oda doing a 180 and saying Lightspeed is still fast for characters like Luffy
nah **** oda we gon ignore him
Kizaru isn't light speed only with that technique... not fully sure what you mean... Kizaru starts moving when he starts moving... Oh I see, still tho the path is also very fast and we see kizaru move first and then Rayleigh even tho he knows the path, he doesn't know when (if precog isn't used)Can I ask one question to set my opinion? In the One Piece Open World game.(In which Oda helped If Im not wrong)as well as other and the Anime. We saw that this "move" from Kizaru is indeed Lightspeed but it is in quotes, "predictable". It draws a path of light that tells you where he is going to go and which may tell why Rayleigh is looking at this "path" AND why Kizaru was still there before moving. Then, he starts to turn into light particles and move at the speed of light.
That doesn't make Rayleigh's feats any less impressive, but if there is some "path prediction" in there, it should maybe reduce the speed?(A bit like how Aim Dodging works?)Because, technically speaking, if he just interrupted Kizaru before he turned entirely in light particles when he sees the path he is going to take, it would take a huge chunk of speed.
Honestly, why would Kizaru need a SoL fruit when it's FTL without it?
In action calcs
1- Kizaru used his ability to travel riding a path.
2- In Queen the laser needs to recharge to attack, so they may have dodged before.
Changing to "disagree"I 100% agree with the CRT
Travel speed =/ Combat Speed (also people normally don't know what type of fruit they are eating, that's like saying why did luffy pick rubber if he could be light?)Changing to "disagree"
Kizaru uses his fruit for evasive maneuvers and hypermobility. He's FTL in base but in terms of movement he's much more restricted than he is while utilizing his Light Fruit.Honestly, why would Kizaru need a SoL fruit when it's FTL without it?
In action calcs
1- Kizaru used his ability to travel riding a path.
2- In Queen the laser needs to recharge to attack, so they may have dodged before.
I know about travel speed, reread what I wrote, and the UeTa comment.Travel speed =/ Combat Speed (also people normally don't know what type of fruit they are eating, that's like saying why did luffy pick rubber if he could be light?)
They alredy talked about how the fruit could be possible be FTL as being a evolved version of ligth to sayI know about travel speed, reread what I wrote, and the UeTa comment.
I know, But Rayleigh feat is based on this technique. And it seems that he intercepted Kizaru before he turned into light by predicting the path he was gonna take. (By cutting the light path that got drawn in front of his eyes.)Kizaru isn't light speed only with that technique... not fully sure what you mean... Kizaru starts moving when he starts moving...
The fruit has been evidenced several times as SoL. Manga, databook, vivre card...They alredy talked about how the fruit could be possible be FTL as being a evolved version of ligth to say
He's FTL in base
CRT literally has a part hinting at it being faster without the Pika Pika.He ain't FTL yet, just saying.
Kizaru not using his fruit 100% of the time is not evidence that he is faster without his fruit active.CRT literally has a part hinting at it being faster without the Pika Pika.
Kizaru's Yata no Kagami is just his "Light teleportion" similarly how Enel has his own way to teleport whenever, whoever and wherever he wants via transforming into their respective elemental logia forms. I repeat that the limit of Kizaru has never been stated as LS, Kizaru can most likely accelerate to a speed beyond light if we ever see him try, it just means he needs Yata no Kagami for travel speed since One piece travel speed is known for being ridiculously slow, while their combat speed is really fast.Can I ask one question to set my opinion? In the One Piece Open World game.(In which Oda helped If Im not wrong)as well as other and the Anime. We saw that this "move" from Kizaru is indeed Lightspeed but it is in quotes, "predictable". It draws a path of light that tells you where he is going to go and which may tell why Rayleigh is looking at this "path" AND why Kizaru was still there before moving. Then, he starts to turn into light particles and move at the speed of light.
That doesn't make Rayleigh's feats any less impressive, but if there is some "path prediction" in there, it should maybe reduce the speed?(A bit like how Aim Dodging works?)Because, technically speaking, if he just interrupted Kizaru before he turned entirely in light particles when he sees the path he is going to take, it would take a huge chunk of speed.
Its stated to be light speed in the databook and can move at the speed of lightAnd for the kick moving at Lightspeed, it's only my opinion, but I think it's just the power of his kick enhanced by light.