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Yeah this is ridiculous.
Too many of our CRTs that have anything to do with FTL OP get shut down or ignored because "Kizaru is a thing haaaaa", and frankly, it's irritating as hell.
We even had a CRT that got ACCEPTED get reverted before the CRT ended by bringing up the SAME EXACT incredulous arguments about Kizaru, the FRA spam for things that got rejected, and nothing got applied to the profiles, just because people don't like FTL One Piece. Link here.
That thread is one of many.
Even in this one that got accepted and applied, people still felt skeptical about it when it was simple logic.
Then some snarky remarks in other verses who use OP as an example alongside Dyspo and Garchomp.
This thread is to shut that all off. Because in all seriousness, a verse can't get stonewalled out of consistent feats because of a single character, especially when most of those feats come from that character.
The Fact That Kizaru's Not The Only SoL Character In The Verse
Staff Votes
Agree: Crabwhale, Migue79, DarkDragonMedeus, LordGriffin1000, DemonGodMitchAubin
Neutral: Damage3245
Disagree:
Too many of our CRTs that have anything to do with FTL OP get shut down or ignored because "Kizaru is a thing haaaaa", and frankly, it's irritating as hell.
We even had a CRT that got ACCEPTED get reverted before the CRT ended by bringing up the SAME EXACT incredulous arguments about Kizaru, the FRA spam for things that got rejected, and nothing got applied to the profiles, just because people don't like FTL One Piece. Link here.
That thread is one of many.
Even in this one that got accepted and applied, people still felt skeptical about it when it was simple logic.
Then some snarky remarks in other verses who use OP as an example alongside Dyspo and Garchomp.
This thread is to shut that all off. Because in all seriousness, a verse can't get stonewalled out of consistent feats because of a single character, especially when most of those feats come from that character.
Summing Up Who Has Lightspeed Attacks On Their Profiles
Kizaru has it because he is light, has statements of lightspeed, and has shown to reflect off of surfaces.
Franky, the Pacifista, Kuma, and Queen have it because they've all replicated his laser into their technology, plus they're from "realistic technological sources".
Niji has it because he has a statement of being able to move at lightspeed.
Kuma has it again because he intercepted Kizaru and Rayleigh.
Franky, the Pacifista, Kuma, and Queen have it because they've all replicated his laser into their technology, plus they're from "realistic technological sources".
Niji has it because he has a statement of being able to move at lightspeed.
Kuma has it again because he intercepted Kizaru and Rayleigh.
"Kizaru Is The Fastest In The Verse"
This is a statement that is not stated, like at all.
Oda has never made a single STATEMENT that says that Kizaru is the fastest in the verse.
Oda has NEVER done this, and he has given statements of superiority for many characters.
He has given Akainu the devil fruit with the "highest offensive power".
He has given WB the "strongest Paramecia".
He has given WB the "strongest pirate".
He has given Oden the "strongest sword style".
He has given Speed Jiru (an irrelevant character) the "fastest member of the Whitebeard Pirates", which means he scales above both Whitebeard and Marco, who have both intercepted lightspeed from Kizaru.
He has given Mihawk the "strongest swordsman".
He has given Big Mom the "strongest hag".
He has given Benn Beckman the "highest IQ that we've seen so far" earlier in the series.
He even gave Aokiji the "strongest marine".
He has given Kaido the "strongest beast" regardless of hearsay or not.
Oda is generous with these titles, he will give everyone a title of superiority if he desires, but until this day he has never done so for Kizaru.
So saying that he's the fastest with absolutely no basis is just wrong.
Oda has never made a single STATEMENT that says that Kizaru is the fastest in the verse.
Oda has NEVER done this, and he has given statements of superiority for many characters.
He has given Akainu the devil fruit with the "highest offensive power".
He has given WB the "strongest Paramecia".
He has given WB the "strongest pirate".
He has given Oden the "strongest sword style".
He has given Speed Jiru (an irrelevant character) the "fastest member of the Whitebeard Pirates", which means he scales above both Whitebeard and Marco, who have both intercepted lightspeed from Kizaru.
He has given Mihawk the "strongest swordsman".
He has given Big Mom the "strongest hag".
He has given Benn Beckman the "highest IQ that we've seen so far" earlier in the series.
He even gave Aokiji the "strongest marine".
He has given Kaido the "strongest beast" regardless of hearsay or not.
Oda is generous with these titles, he will give everyone a title of superiority if he desires, but until this day he has never done so for Kizaru.
So saying that he's the fastest with absolutely no basis is just wrong.
Oda has given Vinsmoke Niji, one character who has absolutely nothing to do with Kizaru, lightspeed.
Qliphoth_Bacikal, prior to their leave, translated this
And because of this, his reaction speed was calculated since his vivre card statement said that he had "high dynamic vision" hinting to his reaction/perception speed.
If anybody is ever stated to be the "fastest in the verse", then they would scale above Niji, who is SoL, making them FTL.
Qliphoth_Bacikal, prior to their leave, translated this
This was accepted in this CRT to be valid.
And because of this, his reaction speed was calculated since his vivre card statement said that he had "high dynamic vision" hinting to his reaction/perception speed.
If anybody is ever stated to be the "fastest in the verse", then they would scale above Niji, who is SoL, making them FTL.
Kizaru Doesn't Move With His Light Fruit Against The High-God and the God Tiers, but He Uses It Against Fodder
Kizaru, until now, has fought 3 super strong people, and did not use his famous Pika Pika lightspeed attacks.
Against Rayleigh, after he got casually intercepted (this time he was firing a laser as he got intercepted), TWICE, he just formed his light sword and ended up fighting Rayleigh with his regular speed here, here, and here. No light eminating from his limbs.
Against Marco, after he got casually intercepted, he was either using laser spam like before or he attacked him off guard here and here, but he mainly fought with his regular physicals.
Against Whitebeard, he got intercepted by a more injured Whitebeard. and he only managed to hit him with lightspeed lasers when he held him down via his Bisento. Even when he shot the ones at him from the ones that Marco intercepted, Whitebeard was casually commenting on the brightness of the lasers.
But who does Kizaru use regular lightspeed on?
Actual literal regular fodder.
The likes of Arlong.
A half dead Zoro who can't move.
Usopp carrying Zoro and Brook until Rayleigh intervened.
X Drake.
Hawkins, again, again, again, again.
Urouge.
Injured Luffy, again, again, again, again.
Buggy.
Law.
Apoo.
Kizaru would SPAM lightspeed for everybody in the manga except for the stronger tier characters in the series.
Against Rayleigh, after he got casually intercepted (this time he was firing a laser as he got intercepted), TWICE, he just formed his light sword and ended up fighting Rayleigh with his regular speed here, here, and here. No light eminating from his limbs.
Against Marco, after he got casually intercepted, he was either using laser spam like before or he attacked him off guard here and here, but he mainly fought with his regular physicals.
Against Whitebeard, he got intercepted by a more injured Whitebeard. and he only managed to hit him with lightspeed lasers when he held him down via his Bisento. Even when he shot the ones at him from the ones that Marco intercepted, Whitebeard was casually commenting on the brightness of the lasers.
But who does Kizaru use regular lightspeed on?
Actual literal regular fodder.
The likes of Arlong.
A half dead Zoro who can't move.
Usopp carrying Zoro and Brook until Rayleigh intervened.
X Drake.
Hawkins, again, again, again, again.
Urouge.
Injured Luffy, again, again, again, again.
Buggy.
Law.
Apoo.
Kizaru would SPAM lightspeed for everybody in the manga except for the stronger tier characters in the series.
The Multitude Of Calcs We Have Showing FTL
Pre Timeskip we have
Even with Luffy vs Foxy, most of the feats come up to Sub-Rel. Overtime, they get Rel feats with the pacifista, then the FTL comes with the highest tier characters.
- Silvers Rayleigh intercepting Kizaru's lightspeed movement.
- Edward Newgate intercepting Kizaru's lightspeed movement.
- Wano Arc Monster Point Chopper dodging Queen's laser.
- Wano Arc Sanji dodging Queen's laser.
- Marco dodging Queen's laser.
- Kizaru reacting to his own movement.
- Niji reacting to his own movement.
- Hawkins perceiving Kizaru's kick.
- X Drake perceiving Kizaru's kick.
- Ichiji outrunning his lasers.
Even with Luffy vs Foxy, most of the feats come up to Sub-Rel. Overtime, they get Rel feats with the pacifista, then the FTL comes with the highest tier characters.
"It would be weird for everyone to be faster than Kizaru’s fruit"
Argument from Incredulity at it's finest.
The only one with actual combat speed feats of being FTL are the high tier characters.
Unless there are more FTL feats I don't know about, most of the feats are done by stronger higher tier characters.
The only one with actual combat speed feats of being FTL are the high tier characters.
Unless there are more FTL feats I don't know about, most of the feats are done by stronger higher tier characters.
"It Would Be Weird For Kizaru To Be Faster Than His Fruit"
Kizaru, or something as fast as Kizaru's light form, has been perceived several times by Basil Hawkins already.
The one moment Kizaru uses his raw speed, Hawkins (while amped) can't perceive him.
It being "weird" doesn't matter. Don't we have characters that use lightning attacks, but are faster? What about the sound users who use sound based attacks but are far superior?
It's not a fair or valid argument at all.
The one moment Kizaru uses his raw speed, Hawkins (while amped) can't perceive him.
It being "weird" doesn't matter. Don't we have characters that use lightning attacks, but are faster? What about the sound users who use sound based attacks but are far superior?
It's not a fair or valid argument at all.
"Only Kizaru Uses Light As An Attack"
Foxy.
Pacifista.
Franky.
Queen.
We finished?
Also Artur Bacca from the Law novel, who shot out light beams (and I've explained here how all "beams" in One Piece are lightspeed).
Pacifista.
Franky.
Queen.
We finished?
Also Artur Bacca from the Law novel, who shot out light beams (and I've explained here how all "beams" in One Piece are lightspeed).
We Have Someone FTL In The Verse Already
Kaido.
Kaido blitzed Luffy with his Thunder Bagua technique while he was using future sight.
The same Luffy who called Lightspeed slow with/without a weaker Observation Haki.
We already accept him as FTL for it, so there's no argument.
Kaido blitzed Luffy with his Thunder Bagua technique while he was using future sight.
The same Luffy who called Lightspeed slow with/without a weaker Observation Haki.
We already accept him as FTL for it, so there's no argument.
"Can't only people with exceptional Observation Haki keep up with his lightspeed attacks?"
This is based off of the Library of Ohara's summaries of the Vivre cards, which is just wrong and has been wrong on several occasions.
This is wrong. Observation Haki is never stated at all.
The middle right portion of the scan is the part that talks about Kizaru's ability and Haki.
Rayleigh's vivre card says this phrase.
So no, the "exceptional Observation Haki" is never stated.
This is wrong. Observation Haki is never stated at all.
The middle right portion of the scan is the part that talks about Kizaru's ability and Haki.
That phrase shows a scan of Marco kicking Kizaru while it says that.
Rayleigh's vivre card says this phrase.
Roughly translates to
Notice "武装色", which means Armament Haki. Observation Haki, or "見聞色", is never stated here.
So no, the "exceptional Observation Haki" is never stated.
Who is objectively NOT FTL
Any strawhats or people that scale to them prior to the timeskip.
Gear 2nd Luffy is one of, if not the #1, fastest characters pre timeskip outside of the god tiers, being able to blitz Observation Haki users, going FTE to people who go FTE to people who go FTE to people, even without G2nd he can match Soru users, and so on.
That same Gear 2nd Luffy was called too slow by Kizaru while Kizaru was in his light form.
Gear 2nd Luffy is one of, if not the #1, fastest characters pre timeskip outside of the god tiers, being able to blitz Observation Haki users, going FTE to people who go FTE to people who go FTE to people, even without G2nd he can match Soru users, and so on.
That same Gear 2nd Luffy was called too slow by Kizaru while Kizaru was in his light form.
What Needs to be Done?
Stop these incredulous arguments, and allow FTL One Piece characters without bringing up the same flawed arguments.Staff Votes
Agree: Crabwhale, Migue79, DarkDragonMedeus, LordGriffin1000, DemonGodMitchAubin
Neutral: Damage3245
Disagree:
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