Problem sleuth's 2-B problem.

[Thelastmlg]

So the only reason why problem sleuth god tiers is 2-B is because of black hole kingpin affecting all possible futures, which would be a countless multiversal feat.


But, in the page linked, it reads and i quote:

"You catch a glimpse of every future event in the universe all happening at once"

Everything is on singular.

"Every future event"

means just the entire future, it doesn't even say "possible" or anything.

"In the universe"

is basically a low 2-C Feat because of this.


In the next page, it reads:

"A spectacle transceding time and space"

Another feat for low 2-C and immensurable speed maybe.

"All universal events"

Just the universe, thus low 2-C


His mass increasing is irrelevant, sorta off, it may increase his AP if it is caused by his mass (like a black hole) but it isn't grounds for 2-B.


Anymore reasons why he should be 2-B?

becuase if it is caused solely by those 2 pages, a downgrade must be discussed.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You should ask the other members listed in the Problem Sleuth verse page to comment here.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Yeah, that's shoody. We were supposed to downgrade him to Low 2-C a while ago. (I mean you could argue for Low 1-C via transcending time and space but that feels super iffy)

 

[GojiBoyForever]

I suppose this makes sense.

 

[Antvasima]

Has anybody done what I recommended? Please avoid asking the inactive ones though.

 

[Overlord775]

agree with the downgrade, it's consistent with Demon Kingpin's Combo Rave [which are usually the strongest attack of the character] attack ripping apart only one universe

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Low 2-C and Immeasurable seems fine

 

[Nemo212]

Yeah, agree.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Has anybody done what I recommended? Please avoid asking the inactive ones though.

I did ask all except those that weren't knowledgeable on PS and azathoth

 

[Thelastmlg]

That reminds me, i though azzy had stopped debating here? Or what?

 

[Antvasima]

Azathoth only occasionally helps out with Cthulhu Mythos revisions nowadays.

 

[Overlord775]

Just to let everybody know, i readed all of Problem Sleuth

 

[Thelastmlg]

Azathoth only occasionally helps out with Cthulhu Mythos revisions nowadays.

Ok then, i thought i left him out for no reason

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask a few of the following staff members to help out with giving input here if you wish:

Promestei, SomebodyData, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, Celestial Pegasus, Soldier Blue, Monarch Laciel, Saikou The Lewd King, DarkDragonMedeus, AKM sama, Wokista, Ultima Reality, Mr. Bambu, Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, The Calaca, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva, Zark2099

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Why am I listed as a knowledgeable member? I've never even read Problem Sleuth. That should get removed.

 

[The_Impress]

It's a general staff evaluation list Wright, not a specific Problem Sleuth one

Anyways aren't they affecting all the potential future event of a given universe, thus warranting 2-B?

 

[The_Calaca]

Zark is back I see.

I agree with the OP. None of those quotes imply a 2-B structure.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I can second that.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It's a general staff evaluation list Wright, not a specific Problem Sleuth one

Anyways aren't they affecting all the potential future event of a given universe, thus warranting 2-B?

The quote he gave seems to only state "all future events", not "all possible events".

Of that's true, I'll agree with this downgrade.

 

[The_Impress]

Ah well, then I agree on removing the 2-B too

 

[DarkGrath]

I feel like there's context I'm missing here, but from what I do here, the downgrade seems good.

 

[Crabwhale]

I don't have much knowledge on the series but from a preliminary glance and what other people have said this seems fine.

 

[Overlord775]

I feel like there's context I'm missing here, but from what I do here, the downgrade seems good.

The context is that Pickle Inspector falls in to singularity caused by Mobster Kingpin and it happens he sees every future event happening at once iirc

 

[Qawsedf234]

• Yeah I agree with a Low 2-C downgrade

• Transcending time is not enough for an Immersurable rating

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Immeasurable still makes sense, since the black hole was warping time and falling on it caused characters to see and be in different sections of time and space. The god tiers can escape the black hole with no problem.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Low 2-C makes sense to me.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, that seems fine by me as well.

 

[AKM sama]

Just to clarify, this is the reasoning:

Multiverse level (Became a black hole with Googol [10100] times the mass of the entire universe. Distorted all of space and time, condensing all possible futures and after pulling his drawstrings as tight as he could, BHMK's mass increased by a ridiculous amount, reaching a mass of Goolgolplex or 1010100)

Apparently, his mass became 10^100 times of a universe, though the scan isn't linked to verify that information.

 

[GyroNutz]

Downgrade seems fine to me

 

[Crabwhale]

@ AKM

That's still 3-A.

 

[Crabwhale]

The largest potential 3-A in the entire wiki, but 3-A nonetheless.

 

[AKM sama]

Oh right, I don't know why I supposed it was talking about sucking that many universes into it. It's nature's way of telling me that I probably need a good sleep now

In that case, the downgrade seems fine to me.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you everybody who are helping out. It seems like this has been accepted and can be applied then.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The downgrade seems reasonable.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I agree with the downgrade to Low 2-C.

 

[Crabwhale]

Is anyone willing to actually apply the new rating?

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

I will