Ninjago's Tiering Problem

[Lloydblitzed]

What's even funnier is that the GWs in their ORIGINAL state was litterally used to beat Overlord lol (Timestamp = 2:35) so the GWs have a even better feat then creating a star or the Ninjago Islands. What now? That's also an outlier?

And for the GWs life hax to even be counted in AP, you'd have to prove inverse that the ability/hax aka life haxs have this value to joules and those joules also corrilate with how hard you hit something

 

[Minaaaa]

The GWs weren't erased as seen in S3. Zane specifically states the time paradox can be fixed by removing the MW ONLY

He never said the MW ONLY, why are you putting words in his mouth? he just said they can fix it by destroying the MW.

Keep ignoring this lol. I also like how you still failed to name me sum AP feats made by the GWs excluding the Islands creation and the Star feat

Scythe of Quakes cracking the ground
Samukai cracking the ground
Cole slicing a pillar
Zane freezing cole
Shurikens of Ice creating part of ninjago
Shurikens of Ice freezing a room
Shurikens of Ice freezing a tunnel
Yet another freezing feat
Zane freezing part of the great devourer

What's even funnier is that the GWs in their ORIGINAL state was litterally used to beat Overlord lol (Timestamp = 2:35) so the GWs have a even better feat then creating a star or the Ninjago Islands. What now? That's also an outlier?

Yes its an outlier. what are u even trying to do? make everyone in the verse the same tier as THE OVERLORD? And it's a fusion, no one scale to it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He never said the MW ONLY, why are you putting words in his mouth? he just said they can fix it by destroying the MW.

Zane: I was thinking about that. It could be possible to erase the events that have transpired so far by destroying the Mega Weapon that brought us here in the first place.

Kai: You mean if we destroy that weapon, everything goes back to normal?

Zane: Uh, theoretically.

Cole: But nothing can destroy the Mega Weapon. Only a weapon of equal power has any chance of stopping it.

Jay: Haha, like maybe the weapons forged to create it in the first place? (He reveals to them he brought the Golden Weapons.)

Garmadon: No!

Cole: The Golden Weapons!

Jay: Yeah, I thought these might come in handy.

LOL

Scythe of Quakes cracking the ground
Samukai cracking the ground
Cole slicing a pillar
Zane freezing cole
Shurikens of Ice creating part of ninjago
Shurikens of Ice freezing a room
Shurikens of Ice freezing a tunnel
Yet another freezing feat
Zane freezing part of the great devourer

That scale to the INDIVIDUAL GWs, not all of them TOGHETER
The GWs TOGHETER ≠ THE GWs individually IN POWER
Lying to everyone in the OP is MAD

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yes its an outlier. what are u even trying to do? make everyone in the verse the same tier as THE OVERLORD? And it's a fusion, no one scale to it

Nope, Im proving that your "the star feat is the highest feat of the GWs" is wrong
There is no fusion at all either, LOL
Outliers don't apply to characters/weapons with LITTLE FEATS

 

[Minaaaa]

Zane: I was thinking about that. It could be possible to erase the events that have transpired so far by destroying the Mega Weapon that brought us here in the first place.

Kai: You mean if we destroy that weapon, everything goes back to normal?

Zane: Uh, theoretically.

Cole: But nothing can destroy the Mega Weapon. Only a weapon of equal power has any chance of stopping it.

Jay: Haha, like maybe the weapons forged to create it in the first place? (He reveals to them he brought the Golden Weapons.)

Garmadon: No!

Cole: The Golden Weapons!

Jay: Yeah, I thought these might come in handy.

None of this proves only the MW was erased. If they did, theyd have no reason to shoot into space. Heres a more plausable explanation

• GW and MW combine
• They shoot off into space, preventing garmadon from even having the GW in the first place

That scale to the INDIVIDUAL GWs, not all of them TOGHETER
The GWs TOGHETER ≠ THE GWs individually IN POWER
Lying to everyone in the OP is MAD

If the feats are individual, it scales to their combine form since combined, they're stronger. this is not hard man

There is no fusion at all either, LOL

 

[JJSliderman]

Using the golden weapons individually as feats for their combination doesn’t work, it’s very clearly established that all 4 weapons together are far above even 2-3 weapons together, you should try and list feats for the combination (of which the only 2 direct feats are the canyon creation and star creation)

 

[Minaaaa]

Using the golden weapons individually as feats for their combination doesn’t work, it’s very clearly established that all 4 weapons together are far above even 2-3 weapons together, you should try and list feats for the combination (of which the only 2 direct feats are the canyon creation and star creation)

Their combined form gets all of their feats since its, well, combined and stronger than them. Why wouldnt it get their feats?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Their combined form gets all of their feats since its, well, combined and stronger than them. Why wouldnt it get their feats?

Because the GWs togheter are stronger then the GWs individually, that's like downgrading a stronger form of something because that something has weaker feats in his weaker form...

 

[Minaaaa]

Because the GWs togheter are stronger then the GWs individually, that's like downgrading a stronger form of something because that something has weaker feats in his weaker form...

Feats from the individual ones would carry over

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Feats from the individual ones would carry over

No they wouldn't, with that same logic, USM beating Overlord is an outlier, because he has shown lower feats in his base

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yup, they combined the GWs ELEMENTAL ENERGIES, that implies everything comes from the GWs

 

[Robo432343]

this thread has REACHED 10 PAGES
just wait for staff to decide oml

 

[Lloydblitzed]

this thread has REACHED 10 PAGES

Ye ok

just wait for staff to decide oml

One staff already disagreed

 

[Minaaaa]

No they wouldn't, with that same logic, USM beating Overlord is an outlier, because he has shown lower feats in his base

What? His golden power upscales them.

• "The MW has very few feats"
• Shows feats of the GW, which would scale to the MW
• Well those dont count

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What? His golden power upscales them.

• "The MW has very few feats"
• Shows feats of the GW, which would scale to the MW

You have shown feat who scale to weapons individually, we asked you for feats that scale to all weapons togheter, more specifically, feats made by ALL THE WEAPONS ALTOGHETER

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What? His golden power upscales them.

Same as the GWs togheter being stronger than as a pack of 3, 2 or even individually

 

[Minaaaa]

You have shown feat who scale to weapons individually, we asked you for feats that scale to all weapons togheter, more specifically, feats made by ALL THE WEAPONS ALTOGHETER

those ARE feats of the MW since it blately upscales them and has all of their powers

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Their combined form gets all of their feats since its, well, combined and stronger than them. Why wouldnt it get their feats?

Again, it’s like saying that USM beating Overlord is an outlier, and we should use his base form which has a lot of wall level feats, so downgrade USM to Wall Level
Also most of GWs weapons feats you listed is hax. You either pretend that hax you listed has ANYTHING to do with AP, or you genuinely believe in that. Either way, stop. They are not related at all.

 

[Minaaaa]

Again, it’s like saying that USM beating Overlord is an outlier, and we should use his base form which has a lot of wall level feats, so downgrade USM to Wall Level

Its not an outlier since its

1. A power up
2. Only scales to one version of him

Also most of GWs weapons feats you listed is hax. You either pretend that hax you listed has ANYTHING to do with AP, or you genuinely believe in that. Either way, stop. They are not related at all.

If hax =/= ap, then the GW have no feats. All of its feats are hax. Also, it debunked the mergequakes, since it was done through elemental powers, which are hax. If yall say that Ninjago has UES, then hax = ap and therefore they can be used.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If hax =/= ap, then the GW have no feats. All of its feats are hax. Also, it debunked the mergequakes, since it was done through elemental powers, which are hax. If yall say that Ninjago has UES, then hax = ap and therefore they can be used.

the mergequake feat is quantifiable, the Life hax feats and portal creation are not, and feats done by weaker versions of GWs, (such as them individually) cannot be used to prove Outliers

9. Association fallacy​

This is when someone claims that since A has certain qualities, and B is in some way associated with A, then B has those qualities as well, without actual proof of this.

Example: "Many Naruto ninjas use genjutsu. Therefore Gai knows genjutsu as well."

While this could be possible, there is no confirmation, and merely because other ninjas know it doesn't mean he does.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

those ARE feats of the MW since it blately upscales them and has all of their powers

no

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Its not an outlier since its

1. A power up
2. Only scales to one version of him

Golden Weapons were powered up due to it being 4 of them, and it only scales to one version of them: 4 altogether (which is the same as Megaweapon)

If hax =/= ap, then the GW have no feats. All of its feats are hax.

They do HAX-wise

Also, it debunked the mergequakes, since it was done through elemental powers, which are hax.

This is a straight up demerging feat which can be quantified, and wdym by “elemental powers are hax”.

If yall say that Ninjago has UES, then hax = ap and therefore they can be used.

UES does not say Hax = AP, because this is stupid. Where would reviving Soto scale in the Tiering System? Or de-aging Ninjas? Answer this.

 

[REX9097]

Why is this going back to debunk? All this can easily rebunk

The Infamous Star Feat​

This “feat” has been used to make the verse 4-C, which might look legit upon first looking, but when examined thoroughly, the feat in question is invalid and I'll explain why.

Spoiler: Reasoning 1

It wasn’t the 4 weapons causing it
The reasoning used that it was the ninja scale to star is because of the Mega Weapon creating a star and the 4 Golden Weapons being equal to it in power, but this is wrong for the reasons I'll list now. Firstly, there are multiple statements that the Mega Weapon and the Golden weapons combined into one.

• Visually shown combing
• Garmadon saying the weapons collided with each other, implying they combined together
• Tommy Andreasen saying they combined
• Guidebook statement saying they combined (link to the guide, since in the previous thread it wasn’t provided)
• Ninjago website implying they combined
• Dark Island Trilogy book implying they combined
• Ninjago website again implying they combined
• Ninjago magazine implying they combined
• Ninjago website once again saying they combined

With all of these statements, it's consistent that the MW and GW combined to make the star, thus making the feat invalid to scale to the four. Before I get onto my next main point, there are some side arguments I want to address.

1 - Garmadon's words here are not talking about the fact that both TGW and MW have merged. He said collision, which means that TGW collided with MW and this led to the destruction of MW and that TGW turn into the current MW, as when Kai ask Zane, “You mean if we destroy that weapon, everything goes back to normal” Zane said, “theoretically”.

So if they merged, Lloyd would be dead, and the time paradox wouldn't be fixed
2 - Tommy in this post contradicts his previous post, as he himself said that MW was destroyed

So I disagree

The Mergequake Feat​

Spoiler: Reasoning

This feat occurs in the newest series, Dragons Rising, when the ninja’s elemental powers can close them, Thus scaling them to Low 2-C (Uni+). But, this feat makes completely zero sense even when the series is not taken into account. Firstly, let’s examine the statements used. These statements here and here have stated the mergequakes to be able to destroy the world, while this is correct, the wording used doesn’t scale to anyone. They always mention mergequakes (Notice the use of an S, showing plurality) will destroy the world, not a SINGULAR MERGEQUAKE, which is what the ninja close. With this, the feat should already be invalid but there is more to make the feat totally invalid. Secondly, we have Zane’s statement in Season 1 Episode 11, Temple of the Dragon Cores, of Dragons Rising. A singular mergequake on it’s own does not destroy the universe, but a culmination of hundreds if not thousands happening at the same time does. Thirdly, The ninja still wouldn’t scale to it as a single mergequake doesn’t fit the criteria for Tier 2, Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting,[1] creating, and/or destroying an area of space qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale., a single mergequake has never been shown affecting the entire universe, or even a significant portion of the universe.

Are you sure you understand Mergequake's argument? I neutral with you that it could be less than Low 2-C. But she still has High 3-A, so Mergequake argued that normal Mergequake can affect the Realms themselves, when Lloyd says about Mergequakes, he means that one Mergequake can affect the world, even Nya was asked about Mergequake and she didn't say about All Mergequakes. So that Lloyd he means that one Mergequake can affect the world, which is stated to be that world have infinite size and are of the Space-Time continuum, and even Lloyd supports this context in saying that Mergequake can destroy the world (what is meant is Mergequake because it was literally he closing a one Mergequake, so the meaning was one Mergequake) and we even have 2 contexts that support this and we also have proof that Mergequake can affect/destroy the world, so this would get Mergequake up to at least High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
So I neutral with it's below Low 2-C

Miscellaneous Feats​

These are side feats and are not the main point of the post but should be downgraded, mostly relating to Garmadon

Spoiler: Garmadon and Mogra

This comes from the Garmadon comics where he beats the villain of the comic, Mogra, but he simply doesn’t scale to him. Firstly, it's been stated that Mogra via drinking moon tea is stronger than Garmadon, even when Garmadon drank two moon teas. At the end of the comic, Garmadon defeats Mogra. But this feat is invalid due to Garmadon having to power up to beat him and not scaling to his normal stats, as he passed out afterwards, indicating its not his normal level of power. Secondly is Mogra’s rating being an up to rating when he shouldn't be. Mogra couldn’t handle the power of all those moon teas and thus was about to die because of it.

1- Regarding Garmadon, you may have seen that Garmadon was dealing with the problem of Oni Form, which is the most powerful form of it, and it is said that it is the highest form of destruction.
2- It seems that Garmadon was exhausted from the injuries he sustained from Mogra, as we know that Mogra caused him a severe injury that did not heal (even when he drank moon tea, its effect on the Oni he a upgrade their strength 10 times more strong but did not heal their wounds).

Spoiler: Garmadon and The Oni

Garmadon at his peak is currently rated 2-C, for being able to battle back the Oni Army, who can destroy the realms. The problem with this is The Oni aren’t anywhere near 2-C. The Oni don’t destroy the realms in the sense of destroying the space-time of the realm, They are slowly invading the realms with their cloud of destruction, destroying the life there so they can rule over it. It’s shown in the series that their destruction isn’t physical in nature, as in their cloud, people in ninjago weren’t destroyed, nor buildings or vehicles. Though in the previous garmadon downgrade thread, there was a statement posted from the Garmadon comics that the oni would turn it into a land of ash through unknown means but is likely their destruction cloud. This would be vastly below 2-C and the 2-C rating would have to go.

It has been literally mentioned that Oni and Garmadon can destroy the fabric between Multiverse and Garmadon stated Oni that they will destroy everything, including Realms, and they do not want to destroying the life there so they can rule over it, they want to destroy Realms and Ninjago Realm, and it is natural he to destroy life, not kill humans or creatures, he going to drown the realms in a cloud of destruction and then destroy it

Result: Entire verse gets downgraded to 6-A since we already have a 6-A profile

We have many arguments that make them High 6-A to 5-B

 

[Minaaaa]

the mergequake feat is quantifiable, the Life hax feats and portal creation are not, and feats done by weaker versions of GWs, (such as them individually) cannot be used to prove Outliers

If as yall say, Hax =/= AP, then it doesnt scale to anyones ap. This is in no way an association fallacy. If the GW have lower feat and the MW have lower feat than star, then its an outlier. What are you not understanding?

Golden Weapons were powered up due to it being 4 of them, and it only scales to one version of them: 4 altogether (which is the same as Megaweapon)

Again, outlier. Are you going to say that everyone who can tank attacks from the golden weapons are in the same tier as the overlord?

They do HAX-wise

Then, Via UES, it scales.

This is a straight up demerging feat which can be quantified, and wdym by “elemental powers are hax”.

Elemental Powers are supernatural powers, they are abilities. Do Lloyd's energy blasts or kai's fire scale to their ap or are they hax?

UES does not say Hax = AP, because this is stupid. Where would reviving Soto scale in the Tiering System? Or de-aging Ninjas? Answer this.

• Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

 

[Minaaaa]

Why is this going back to debunk? All this can easily rebunk

1 - Garmadon's words here are not talking about the fact that both TGW and MW have merged. He said collision, which means that TGW collided with MW and this led to the destruction of MW and that TGW turn into the current MW, as when Kai ask Zane, “You mean if we destroy that weapon, everything goes back to normal” Zane said, “theoretically”.

So if they merged, Lloyd would be dead, and the time paradox wouldn't be fixed
2 - Tommy in this post contradicts his previous post, as he himself said that MW was destroyed

So I disagree

1. Are we still using Garmadon's statment, which you have to blately misinterpret to come to this point. If the GW as yall say erased the MW, then they would cancel each other out and erased both of them since they have equal power.
2. If the GW collided with the MW destroyed the MW, then what made the star? this is a contradiction in your statement. First you guys say "The MW desfused from the GW to create a star", then its "The GW destroyed the MW then created a star". None of these are coherent and contradict each other and the scans from Tommy you guys sent.

Are you sure you understand Mergequake's argument? I neutral with you that it could be less than Low 2-C. But she still has High 3-A, so Mergequake argued that normal Mergequake can affect the Realms themselves, when Lloyd says about Mergequakes, he means that one Mergequake can affect the world, even Nya was asked about Mergequake and she didn't say about All Mergequakes. So that Lloyd he means that one Mergequake can affect the world, which is stated to be that world have infinite size and are of the Space-Time continuum, and even Lloyd supports this context in saying that Mergequake can destroy the world (what is meant is Mergequake because it was literally he closing a one Mergequake, so the meaning was one Mergequake) and we even have 2 contexts that support this and we also have proof that Mergequake can affect/destroy the world, so this would get Mergequake up to at least High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
So I neutral with it's below Low 2-C

They never say a single mergequake will destroy the world, its always MERGEQUAKES plural meaning multiple of them. a single mergequakes has to be affecting the ENTIRE realm, not just a small part of it. They would only be High 3-A if they fufill these,

High 3-A: High Universe level​

Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space.
The mergequakes would HAVE to affect the entire space.

1- Regarding Garmadon, you may have seen that Garmadon was dealing with the problem of Oni Form, which is the most powerful form of it, and it is said that it is the highest form of destruction.
2- It seems that Garmadon was exhausted from the injuries he sustained from Mogra, as we know that Mogra caused him a severe injury that did not heal (even when he drank moon tea, its effect on the Oni he a upgrade their strength 10 times more strong but did not heal their wounds).

How does this debunk Garmadon not scaling to him and Mogra not scaling to 5 Moon Tea?

It has been literally mentioned that Oni and Garmadon can destroy the fabric between Multiverse and Garmadon stated Oni that they will destroy everything, including Realms, and they do not want to destroying the life there so they can rule over it, they want to destroy Realms and Ninjago Realm, and it is natural he to destroy life, not kill humans or creatures, he going to drown the realms in a cloud of destruction and then destroy it

The Oni arent destroying the fabric between realms, this is just flowery language. Harumi isnt being literal. Shes just opening a portal to the departed realm.
We know they arent destroying the entire space time of the realm, nor even the space. We see from Wu that they are slowly invading the realms and covering the land in their cloud. This doesnt have anything to do with AP.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If as yall say, Hax =/= AP, then it doesnt scale to anyones ap. This is in no way an association fallacy. If the GW have lower feat and the MW have lower feat than star, then its an outlier. What are you not understanding?

What we “are not understanding” is how hax such as resurrection can scale to Attack Potency, and how following the UES will make that for you.

Again, outlier.

No, since they have little-to-no AP feats altogether.

Are you going to say that everyone who can tank attacks from the golden weapons are in the same tier as the overlord?

4-C is the same tier as 2-C?

Then, Via UES, it scales.

No, UES scales physical statistics to energy beams and vice versa, not “resurrection to Average Human”. I am suspicious that you lack common sense or do not understand the terms you are using.

Elemental Powers are supernatural powers, they are abilities. Do Lloyd's energy blasts or kai's fire scale to their ap or are they hax?

Kai’s fire has AP of Star Level, as well as Hax such as Explosion Manipulation.

• Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics…

Did you purposefully ignore the example “e. g. energy beams”? Really? Ask any staff if you don’t trust me, de-aging and resurrection are inapplicable for Attack Potency.

means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

Do you really think there is such a thing as “Wall Level Resurrection” or “City Block de-aging”…? Minaaa, you keep surprising with your obsession to downgrade the verse you “support”.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If the GW as yall say erased the MW

When did I say that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If as yall say, Hax =/= AP, then it doesnt scale to anyones ap. This is in no way an association fallacy. If the GW have lower feat and the MW have lower feat than star, then its an outlier. What are you not understanding?

Again, outlier. Are you going to say that everyone who can tank attacks from the golden weapons are in the same tier as the overlord?

We are not scaling the Ninjas to the Overlord, but it proves that the GWs creating a star isn't a outlier

Then, Via UES, it scales.

Elemental Powers are supernatural powers, they are abilities. Do Lloyd's energy blasts or kai's fire scale to their ap or are they hax?

Supernatural powers who scale to AP, they are not hax themselves

• Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

Yet you have yet to prove how Life hax and portal creation is quantifiable

Btw, your entire debunk is based on individual GWs feat, which litterally doesn't scale as high as the GWs all togheter, this debunk attempt actually sound pathetic

 

[Lloydblitzed]

When did I say that

6-A USM bc he also scale to his base feats🗣

 

[Minaaaa]

What we “are not understanding” is how hax such as resurrection can scale to Attack Potency, and how following the UES will make that for you.

I never said it did.. you guys said that.

No, since they have little-to-no AP feats altogether.

This weird standard of "They didnt do it together so it doesnt scale" is not backed by anything.

No, UES scales physical statistics to energy beams and vice versa, not “resurrection to Average Human”. I am suspicious that you lack common sense or do not understand the terms you are using.

Never said it does, yall are taking the lowest feats and saying "well they dont scale because of those". What about the feats of the GW i posted? they are apart of the MW, the MW would scale to them by virute of having the GW apart of it.

Kai’s fire has AP of Star Level, as well as Hax such as Explosion Manipulation.

Yk fire would count as supernaturals right? why are the feat of the GW's hax and power dismissed by the ninja's are accepted?

Did you purposefully ignore the example “e. g. energy beams”? Really? Ask any staff if you don’t trust me, de-aging and resurrection are inapplicable for Attack Potency.

Again, never said it did. Freezing a room, cracking the ground, creating a crater, and helping create ARE. all of which are vastly lower than creating a star

Do you really think there is such a thing as “Wall Level Resurrection” or “City Block de-aging”…? Minaaa, you keep surprising with your obsession to downgrade the verse you “support”.

See previous points

We are not scaling the Ninjas to the Overlord, but it proves that the GWs creating a star isn't a outlier

It would, STILL, be an outlier by the reasons i posted in the op.

Supernatural powers who scale to AP, they are not hax themselves

See previous points

Yet you have yet to prove how Life hax and portal creation is quantifiable

See previous points

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It would, STILL, be an outlier by the reasons i posted in the op.

No, there is litterally 6 scans who presented who doesn't support this, S16 debunks you as well, WOG does

See previous points

See previous points

Seriously?

 

[Minaaaa]

No, there is litterally 6 scans who presented who doesn't support this, S16 debunks you as well, WOG does

They dont at all. You cant even give consistent and coherent responds. Youve changed your statements several times

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Guys, let's stop. 10 pages already. Just call some staff members and chill

 

[Minaaaa]

Guys, let's stop. 10 pages already. Just call some staff members and chill

Agreed, this is going no where

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I never said it did.. you guys said that.

WHAT?? EXCUSE ME WHAT??? Who uses Megaweapon wish-granting as “debunk”???

This weird standard of "They didnt do it together so it doesnt scale" is not backed by anything.

It is vacked up by the fact that together >>> individual GWs.

Never said it does, yall are taking the lowest feats and saying "well they dont scale because of those". What about the feats of the GW i posted? they are apart of the MW, the MW would scale to them by virute of having the GW apart of it.

Because meanwhile Megaweapon would scale “at least” to Golden Weapon individual feats, it itself would still lack AP feats on its own, which is why Star Level feat is an outlier. If it was only the Sword of Fire who made a star, then you could argue that, but it was THEM ALTOGETHER. Basically an example with USM and Base Lloyd.

Yk fire would count as supernaturals right? why are the feat of the GW's hax and power dismissed by the ninja's are accepted?

Because, once again, it scales nowhere in terms of AP.

Again, never said it did. Freezing a room,

Was made by individual Golden Weapon.

cracking the ground,

Same as above

creating a crater,

Already debunked multiple times

and helping create ARE.

?

It would, STILL, be an outlier by the reasons i posted in the op.

Reasons that were refuted several times yet you act like you are just fine.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Guys, let's stop. 10 pages already. Just call some staff members and chill

I have something to solve the pages problem

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They dont at all. You cant even give consistent and coherent responds. Youve changed your statements several times

Also you: scale Life hax and Portal Creation to AP, thinks the scythe of quake AP = the MW AP and has the audacity to make a Outlier CRT comparing the power of GWs togheter to a single GW

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Guys, let's stop. 10 pages already. Just call some staff members and chill

Ok

 

[Minaaaa]

WHAT?? EXCUSE ME WHAT??? Who uses Megaweapon wish-granting as “debunk”???

Never did. My point was that EVERY showing of the weapon's power has been vastly lower than the star feat

It is vacked up by the fact that together >>> individual GWs.

Yes, which it why it scales to the MW's AP. Its stronger then than the individual weapons. Fusions are always stronger than the individuals.

Because meanwhile Megaweapon would scale “at least” to Golden Weapon individual feats, it itself would still lack AP feats on its own, which is why Star Level feat is an outlier. If it was only the Sword of Fire who made a star, then you could argue that, but it was THEM ALTOGETHER. Basically an example with USM and Base Lloyd.

GW feats = MW feats. GW are apart of it man.

Because, once again, it scales nowhere in terms of AP.

Shurikens of Ice freezing a room isnt ap? Scythe of Quakes cracking the ground isnt ap?

Was made by individual Golden Weapon.

Apart of the MW, mw scales to it

Same as above

Read previous.

Already debunked multiple times

If they do have a UES, it scales

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Mistype, meant to put 'creating ninjago'

This discussion can continue off site or somewhere else. It clearly isnt going anywhere here and is cluttering up the post

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Shurikens of Ice freezing a room isnt ap? Scythe of Quakes cracking the ground isnt ap?

Scales to portion of the MW's AP
USM also has a part of his base power, does that mean he isn't 2-C anymore?

Anyways we need more mod input