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As I try to fix the Baki profiles I've realized something that I should have done earlier on when rereading the begging of Grappler Baki. Prime Doppo isn't a thing.
And I believe this issue stems from one main problem. We need to stop using the anime over the manga in terms of canon and I'll give my reasons.
First off there are a lot of misconceptions about this fight and to get the point across I want to explain what happens in the fight. (In the manga)
MT Doppo vs Yujiro explained
Chapter 55 is when the fight begins, Doppo puts Yujiro in a chokehold that he struggles to break. Yujiro then jumps into the stands to make him jump into the air to slam Doppo into the ground, but as soon as they reach the ground Yujiro tries to hit him with his elbow. Doppo then proceeds to dodge the blow and an exchange of blows occurs, Yujiro then approaches Doppo walking towards him. Yujiro then uses udonde on Doppo, with him standing back up afterward. Once both fighters enter their "Dominance Zone" Doppo lands the hit first. His next few attacks cause Yujiro to recoil in pain. Motobe then proceeds to explain how his ribs were destroyed, however as stated many times before this isn't the case, he damages Yujiro but not in destroying his ribs. Yujiro then launches multiple attacks on Doppo with him on the defensive. Doppo only suffers minor bruises. Doppo then proceeds to use Sangan which blocks all of Yujiro attacks. And while Sangan does help with him blocking the attacks it never stated to increase Doppo AP. Because afterward Doppo cuts Yujiro wrists and begins to mock him with Yujiro sweating due to this. And once Baki arrives Doppo slammed Yujiro against the wall. Yujiro is doubting himself on why he can't even dodge Doppos attacks. And after Yujiro sees Baki he activates his Demon Back which then he processed to destroy Doppo. The fight basically ends in chapter 62.
While Yujiro does win in the end, its pretty obvious its because of the Demon Back. Yujiro in his base was put on the defensive the entire time with Doppo clearly causing damage against him, hell one of his moves could have killed DB Yujiro. If you believe that I've cherry-picked the fight to make Doppo seem stronger please read it yourself. Chapters are right there.
So if this is the case why even have this conversation? Well, it's because of the anime.
Stop using the Anime over the manga
I don't really think I need to explain, this is never allowed with other anime verses, but why is Grappler Baki the exception to this? Because Itagaki worked on the anime? Yeah, Itagaki was involved in the anime just like any author of a manga that is getting an anime would be involved in its making. That doesn't mean we should use it over the manga.
He's never gotten weaker it’s just head canon
So there is a point people would point to in order to claim Doppo has gotten "weaker". Before his fight with Yujiro there's a line that goes "This may be the last year he can stay at his peak". However, this line doesn't even hold any water. Because there are multiple statements by the character, Itagaki, and events in the story that just doesn't make this true. First here's a scan of Doppo "embarked on a journey to seek even greater strength for himself". He's a man that obsessed with the idea of getting stronger, to the point that he hadn't even perfected his technique during the Yujiro fight. He's stated to have never gotten weaker and after the MT he went to train both his body and mind. And if you want to use he got older argument so he got weaker that's not how that works. Here he is casually tanking an attack from Baki and sending him back with a palm strike. How old is he here? In his late 60s yet lol still knocking Baki on his ass, Dou ll Baki might I add. How do you go from being in your prime to being weaker then being stronger than your prime?
So what
So what do you do? Just change Prime Doppo into "Maximum Tournament Doppo".
Wont this make others 7-C?
For another thread. This is just to get rid of “Prime Doppo”
And I believe this issue stems from one main problem. We need to stop using the anime over the manga in terms of canon and I'll give my reasons.
First off there are a lot of misconceptions about this fight and to get the point across I want to explain what happens in the fight. (In the manga)
MT Doppo vs Yujiro explained
Chapter 55 is when the fight begins, Doppo puts Yujiro in a chokehold that he struggles to break. Yujiro then jumps into the stands to make him jump into the air to slam Doppo into the ground, but as soon as they reach the ground Yujiro tries to hit him with his elbow. Doppo then proceeds to dodge the blow and an exchange of blows occurs, Yujiro then approaches Doppo walking towards him. Yujiro then uses udonde on Doppo, with him standing back up afterward. Once both fighters enter their "Dominance Zone" Doppo lands the hit first. His next few attacks cause Yujiro to recoil in pain. Motobe then proceeds to explain how his ribs were destroyed, however as stated many times before this isn't the case, he damages Yujiro but not in destroying his ribs. Yujiro then launches multiple attacks on Doppo with him on the defensive. Doppo only suffers minor bruises. Doppo then proceeds to use Sangan which blocks all of Yujiro attacks. And while Sangan does help with him blocking the attacks it never stated to increase Doppo AP. Because afterward Doppo cuts Yujiro wrists and begins to mock him with Yujiro sweating due to this. And once Baki arrives Doppo slammed Yujiro against the wall. Yujiro is doubting himself on why he can't even dodge Doppos attacks. And after Yujiro sees Baki he activates his Demon Back which then he processed to destroy Doppo. The fight basically ends in chapter 62.
While Yujiro does win in the end, its pretty obvious its because of the Demon Back. Yujiro in his base was put on the defensive the entire time with Doppo clearly causing damage against him, hell one of his moves could have killed DB Yujiro. If you believe that I've cherry-picked the fight to make Doppo seem stronger please read it yourself. Chapters are right there.
So if this is the case why even have this conversation? Well, it's because of the anime.
Stop using the Anime over the manga
I don't really think I need to explain, this is never allowed with other anime verses, but why is Grappler Baki the exception to this? Because Itagaki worked on the anime? Yeah, Itagaki was involved in the anime just like any author of a manga that is getting an anime would be involved in its making. That doesn't mean we should use it over the manga.
He's never gotten weaker it’s just head canon
So there is a point people would point to in order to claim Doppo has gotten "weaker". Before his fight with Yujiro there's a line that goes "This may be the last year he can stay at his peak". However, this line doesn't even hold any water. Because there are multiple statements by the character, Itagaki, and events in the story that just doesn't make this true. First here's a scan of Doppo "embarked on a journey to seek even greater strength for himself". He's a man that obsessed with the idea of getting stronger, to the point that he hadn't even perfected his technique during the Yujiro fight. He's stated to have never gotten weaker and after the MT he went to train both his body and mind. And if you want to use he got older argument so he got weaker that's not how that works. Here he is casually tanking an attack from Baki and sending him back with a palm strike. How old is he here? In his late 60s yet lol still knocking Baki on his ass, Dou ll Baki might I add. How do you go from being in your prime to being weaker then being stronger than your prime?
So what
So what do you do? Just change Prime Doppo into "Maximum Tournament Doppo".
Wont this make others 7-C?
For another thread. This is just to get rid of “Prime Doppo”
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