Pre-Crisis Superman speed and those who scale to it

[Tllmbrg]

Superman (Pre-Crisis)

Tier: 2-C Name: Kal-El, Superman (Commonly called Earth-1 Superman/Pre-Crisis Superman/Silver Age Superman) Origin: DC Comics Gender: Male Age: Likely 35-40 Classification: Kryptonian, Superhero Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (Comparable to other Pre-Crisis...

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All the feats in his speed section are of flying, why does he have a special rating for flying through time?
All of his speed feats linked on the page are flight feats as well, if we assume it is just a power thing and not pure speed why even give the rating to begin with?

 

[Tllmbrg]

@Antvasima @LordTracer @Armorchompy

 

[Armorchompy]

The feat(s) are clearly just Superman going fast enough to be Immeasurable, it def should scale to his overall speed, or if we're worried about scaling be "Immeasurable at max effort" idk

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

“Immeasurable at peak” works better than “by flying through time” yeah.

 

[LordTracer]

Agreed, I’ve always thought that the “by flying through time” stuff was dumb. “Immeasurable at peak” should work.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't really like "at peak" because that implies it's something that they can't always pull off while honestly it's a pretty casual feat for pre-crisis super-people.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Yah stuff like this (Action Comics 311) is just extremely casual from what I've come across
I think just Immeasurable works

 

[LordTracer]

I’m perfectly fine with just Immeasurable as well.

 

[Excellence616]

Immeasurable speed at peak is okay

 

[Tllmbrg]

Btw just to further add to how it should be immeasurable
The first MFTL+ feat we link on his page is also what we link for one of his time travel scans so that just further shows why it's beyond weird to just have a special rating for time travel

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @Deagonx @Elizio33 @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Firestorm808 @Eficiente @Maverick_Zero_X

What do you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry. Maverick had already responded here.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't really like "at peak" because that implies it's something that they can't always pull off while honestly it's a pretty casual feat for pre-crisis super-people.

Tbf, it's not like Superman goes at Immeasurable speed on the regular.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, he has not had any fights at immeasurable speed as far as I am aware.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Our profile doesn't even list any combat feats, it is literally all flight feats so idk how this is an argument
Superman can clearly operate just fine under immeasurable speed and he gets into them easily

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I guess I'm neutral, but I'm fine with this if most people agree. I feel this scaling is gonna bite me in the ass sooner or later but that's irrelevant.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we cannot scale this to post-Crisis characters who have not demonstrated such a scale of power.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I think that's a given
This change is only to Superman and those of similar speed to him like Supergirl

Anyways if no one objects can we start editing the pages or?

 

[Hellbeast]

But I wanna scale Post Crisis to it

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

But I wanna scale Post Crisis to it

Geddout

This change is only to Superman and those of similar speed to him like Supergirl

Tbf, that's quite a lot of characters, and some of them scale to Pre-Crisis dudes

 

[Antvasima]

I think that's a given
This change is only to Superman and those of similar speed to him like Supergirl

I was thinking of via Superboy-Prime.

 

[Hypertornado099]

I think we need to find examples of his immeasurable flying speed scaling to his combat speed as well, and then compare it with any anti-feats he might have.

 

[Tllmbrg]

At that point you're going for the throat of MFTL+ as well
I'm pretty sure 90% of Superman/Adjacent characters is in fact flying while they maneuver as well

 

[Armorchompy]

This is Pre-Crisis so good luck finding any anti-feats that aren't like, Athletic Human or something

 

[Hypertornado099]

At that point you're going for the throat of MFTL+ as well

Yeah the pre-crisis profiles need a rework. Have they manuevered while flying at MFTL+ speed before?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Idk, I'm just here to point how the current ratings didn't make sense within the page
If you want to downgrade them I think it is better left for another thread
Imo this thread can be closed by now

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok

 

[Antvasima]

Isn't it better to handle this revision in the same thread?