Superman (Pre-Crisis) thread

[Emirp sumitpo]

"No chain reaction" claim could be right but we don't know enough context about how rings managed to destroy it. You are taking that two statements at face value. I mean how the hell that fight can generate 2-A level energy? Fight was around city level, RIP to the ppl in town if they actually generated that much power.

Why should we assume like there's some hidden further context when there really is none? The rings are simply stated to destroy them, and the rings destroy things through attack potency. Not through some weird chain reaction hax or anything, that wouldn't fit with what the rings can do.

 

[ByAsura]

Anyway, we're technically arguing with possibilities here (it's not specifically stated that they directly destroyed all the timelines, or destroyed the events that'd create them in the first place), so I guess the possibly rating is fine as it is barring inconsistency.

 

[LuciferX]

Why should we assume like there's some hidden further context when there really is none?

Because in the same panel, it was stated time trapper arranged smth before it was happened.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm pretty sure Superboy Prime was weakened at the time.

No, he was stronger than usual, as could be seen by his powered up form before the explosion and his regular form afterwards.

 

[Antvasima]

if you mean Superboy vs Monarch, yes,, he lost power, the Monarch claims that Prime was starting to run out of fuel

Only his powered-up fuel. He was beginning to revert to normal, that is all.

 

[Antvasima]

I was referring to when he was doing the retcon punch.

Okay. My mistake then.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Because in the same panel, it was stated time trapper arranged smth before it was happened.

And? He only put them in the time dimension, and the location wouldn't matter anyway, since we know the rings did all that via its own energy. This is just reaching for "extra hidden context" that simply doesn't exist.

 

[Deagonx]

Option 2: We consider Superman restoring infinite future timelines wiped out by the Time Trapper during his confrontation with Jaxon as inconsistent with the other feats he has which caps at tier 4-B to 2-C, therefore we remove the "possibly 2-A" tier and leave Pre-Crisis Superman and those who scale to him to tier 2-C.

Okay, 48 hours have passed and we have agrees from Myself, Emirp, Tracer, Firestorm, and Asura. Elizio should apply this and I can then close the thread.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Have we listed all the pages that need changing?

I can help with the changes.

 

[Deagonx]

Have we listed all the pages that need changing?

I can help with the changes.

Not yet, but I will gather them now.

Superman (Pre-Crisis)
Superboy-Prime
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Doctor Fate (Classic)
Flash (Barry Allen) (Pre-Crisis)
Parallax
Power Girl (Pre-Flashpoint)
Nekron
Supergirl (Pre-Crisis)
Mongul (Pre-Crisis)
Superman (Earth-Two)

Those are the ones that directly reference scaling to Pre-Crisis Superman.

However, Anti-Monitor's current possibly 2-A includes scaling to PC Superman, and Darkseid, who is possibly 2-A from scaling to PC Superman in addition to Time Trapper and Mordru.
Time Trapper is poss 2-A from scaling to Classic Fate, who scales to PC Superman, and Mordru scales to PC Superman. So it appears we also need to remove it where it scales from Time Trapper, Mordru, Darkseid, and Anti-Monitor, which includes the list below:

Darkseid
Mordru
Time Trapper
Anti-Monitor
Flash (Wally West) (Rebirth)
Flash (Post-Flashpoint)
The Spectre
Reverse Flash (Rebirth)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Barbatos
The World Forger
Monitor
Neron (Pre-Flashpoint)
Starro (Pre-Flashpoint)
Hawkman (Carter Hall) (Post-Flashpoint)
Highfather
Orion (DC Comics)
Atrocitus
Larfleeze
Volthoom (DC Comics)
The Phantom Stranger (Post-Crisis)
Takion
Yuga Khan
The Omega Titans
Rox Ogama
Thaal Sinestro (Post-Crisis)


@Antvasima would you be able to unlock the pages above?

As an aside, I think the fact that 37 different profiles are all maintaining a "possibly 2-A" due to massive chain-scaling from this single feat is proof that even if it were not dubious, it should be regarded as an outlier.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Y’all don’t have to worry about my boi here, he’s been sittin on 2-C even after the “possibly 2-A” additions XD

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Y’all don’t have to worry about my boi here, he’s been sittin on 2-C even after the “possibly 2-A” additions XD

Who TF is that

 

[Deagonx]

Who TF is that

This made me actually cackle lmao

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'll help with the none locked pages first.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think I've done all the edits for the non locked profiles.

 

[LordTracer]

Y’all don’t have to worry about my boi here, he’s been sittin on 2-C even after the “possibly 2-A” additions XD

If there’s anything we comic fans are good at, it’s claiming the most random and obscure characters possible

 

[Deagonx]

His character design goes hard though.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima would you be able to unlock the pages above?

I have unlocked all of the listed pages with my automated mass-unlocking program. Tell me here when you are all done editing please.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Should we link this thread on PC Superman’s note section?

 

[Elizio33]

Should we link this thread on PC Superman’s note section?

Maybe?

 

[Deagonx]

Probably not. It's just a run of the mill downgrade

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Pre Crisis Superman, Superboy Prime, Sodam Yat, Flash and Hal Jordan are still locked

 

[Antvasima]

Pre Crisis Superman, Superboy Prime, Sodam Yat, Flash and Hal Jordan are still locked

Can you list the exactly accurately worded titles for all of their pages, so my automated page unlocking program can handle it, please?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, should Superboy Prime really scale to the full power of Pre-Crisis characters given his very explicitly demonstrated upper limit of Low 2-C?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can you list the exactly accurately worded titles for all of their pages, so my automated page unlocking program can handle it, please?

Superman (Pre-Crisis)
Superboy-Prime
Sodam Yat
Flash (Pre-Crisis)
Green lantern (Hal Jordan)
Nekron
Power Girl (Pre-Flashpoint)
Supergirl (Pre-Crisis)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also, should Superboy Prime really scale to the full power of Pre-Crisis characters given his very explicitly demonstrated upper limit of Low 2-C?

He was weakened when he performed the Low 2-C feat, and weaker than he was when in COIE

 

[Antvasima]

Superman (Pre-Crisis)
Superboy-Prime
Sodam Yat
Flash (Pre-Crisis)
Green lantern (Hal Jordan)
Nekron
Power Girl (Pre-Flashpoint)
Supergirl (Pre-Crisis)

Thank you, but Hal Jordan and Flash were not spelled accurately.

Here is the apparent right way to handle it:

Superman (Pre-Crisis)
Superboy-Prime
Sodam Yat
Flash (Barry Allen) (Pre-Crisis)
Green lantern (Hal Jordan)
Nekron
Power Girl (Pre-Flashpoint)
Supergirl (Pre-Crisis)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

One last page I forgot, this guy

Superman (Earth-Two)

The Golden Age Superman is the original superhero. He was born as Kal-L on Krypton, and later lived on Earth in his identity as Clark Kent, a reporter for the Daily Star, and as Superman, the protector of Metropolis and Earth. He eventually married his co-worker, Lois Lane, and became the Daily...

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[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm done with all the other pages other than Earth 2 Superman btw

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

I'm done with all the other pages other than Earth 2 Superman btw

Hal Jordan still has his possibly 2-a on his durability section and Rox Ogama still needs to be downgraded, I try to find more errors if I can.

 

[Antvasima]

One last page I forgot, this guy

Superman (Earth-Two)

The Golden Age Superman is the original superhero. He was born as Kal-L on Krypton, and later lived on Earth in his identity as Clark Kent, a reporter for the Daily Star, and as Superman, the protector of Metropolis and Earth. He eventually married his co-worker, Lois Lane, and became the Daily...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I unlocked it.

I'm done with all the other pages other than Earth 2 Superman btw

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

He was weakened when he performed the Low 2-C feat, and weaker than he was when in COIE

Weaker than during COIE, yes, but not weaker than normally afterwards. Please remember that SBP was in a greatly powered-up state during the beginning of his fight with Monarch, and it was in relation to that he was beginning to weaken. He was shown in his regular state after being knocked out by a universe-destroying explosion.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

@Emirp sumitpo @Antvasima if y’all would like, I’ll do a check list on which profiles still need to be changed?

I can get back online check all the profiles in about two hours when I get on break but right now I gotta get to work.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Weaker than during COIE, yes, but not weaker than normally afterwards. Please remember that SBP was in a greatly powered-up state during the beginning of his fight with Monarch, and it was in relation to that he was beginning to weaken. He was shown in his regular state after being knocked out by a universe-destroying explosion.

I'm not talking about the monarch fight. I'm talking about the retcon punch. He explicitly says he was weaker than he was prior.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@Emirp sumitpo @Antvasima if y’all would like, I’ll do a check list on which profiles still need to be changed?

I can get back online check all the profiles in about two hours when I get on break but right now I gotta get to work.

Sure

 

[Antvasima]

@Emirp sumitpo @Antvasima if y’all would like, I’ll do a check list on which profiles still need to be changed?

I can get back online check all the profiles in about two hours when I get on break but right now I gotta get to work.

That would be very appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm not talking about the monarch fight. I'm talking about the retcon punch. He explicitly says he was weaker than he was prior.

Okay. Are you referring to when this happened during Infinite Crisis?

Would one 2-C Pre-Crisis statistics key and one that is Low 2-C for Infinite Crisis and onwards be acceptable?

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

I wasn’t able to get all the profile because my break is rather short but I’ll be back in a few hours to finish my checklist anyways here are some of the profiles that need changes.

Mordru

Mongul

Superboy Prime (Striking Strength section)

The Spectre

Doctor Fate

Rox Ogama

 

[ByAsura]

I can just change them.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you both for helping out.