Potential upgrade of sorts for Rodan and Mothra

[Eseseso]

When Rodan fought Ghidorah, while the fight was short, the fact is that not only did he survive the fight for an extended period of time (even wrestling with Ghidorah and getting 1 or 2 hits in), but he tanked a direct Gravity Beam from the main head (which shouldn't be far below the Gravity Beam that can injure/stagger Godzilla) and was shown to be relatively fine later (when he bowed to alpha Ghidorah).

So while he shouldn't be equal to Ghidorah, I propose that we make him "At least 7-A, likely High 6-C" (as well as Mothra, since she definitely scales to him), because Ifind it incredibly hard to believe that the Mutos from the 2014 film are stronger than Rodan.

If Rodan were a 7-A, Ghidorah wouldn't have even struggled with him.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Neutral, but kinda iffy

 

[NeoTengus]

If I had to rate them, I'd rate the power difference between Ghidorah and Rodan as the same as between a heavyweight boxer vs a welterweight boxer.

So idk, is that enough to put Rodan as a low 6C? Maybe.

 

[Dinobot1996]

I agree with this. Ghidorah scales to Godzilla's 526 gigaton atomic breath feat, which is well above baseline High 6-C (very nearly at the halfway point), so monsters such as Rodan and Mothra can downscale a decent amount and and still be within the range of High 6-C. I find this to be a better option than only scaling them to 452 megatons for Mothra's God Rays feat and putting them at being about a thousand times weaker than the likes of Ghidorah, which doesn't line up with Rodan being able to put up even a short fight up against him.

Plus, numerous other Titans such as Scylla, Behemoth, and Methuselah are also already scaled to High 6-C, through either harming Godzilla or scaling to monsters who can, so it seems consistent that non-alpha level monsters are still at least somewhat comparable though inferior to alpha-levels such as Godzilla and Ghidorah.

 

[Eseseso]

I agree with this. Ghidorah scales to Godzilla's 526 gigaton atomic breath feat, which is well above baseline High 6-C (very nearly at the halfway point), so monsters such as Rodan and Mothra can downscale a decent amount and and still be within the range of High 6-C. I find this to be a better option than only scaling them to 452 megatons for Mothra's God Rays feat and putting them at being about a thousand times weaker than the likes of Ghidorah, which doesn't line up with Rodan being able to put up even a short fight up against him.

Plus, numerous other Titans such as Scylla, Behemoth, and Methuselah are also already scaled to High 6-C, through either harming Godzilla or scaling to monsters who can, so it seems consistent that non-alpha level monsters are still at least somewhat comparable though inferior to alpha-levels such as Godzilla and Ghidorah.

Not gonna lie, I was actually inspired by Goji Center's video on Rodan vs a Male Muto (Spoiler: Rodan wins in a one-sided match).

But seriously, no way is Rodan 1000x weaker than Ghidorah. He survived a head-on Gravity Beam and actually knocked Ghidorah downwards with his attack(s).

 

[NeoTengus]

What's the gap between a low 6C and high 6C?

Is it more than double? I'd say Ghidorah is twice as powerful as Rodan.

Enough to stomp, but not enough to completely no sell.

 

[Eseseso]

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[RoTt35]

I agree with "At least 7-A, likely High 6-C"

 

[Eseseso]

Hell, we could just backscale Rodan and Mothra to Baseline High 6-C, since Rodan at least somewhat held his own against Ghidorah and survived a triple-head lightning blast.

 

[RoTt35]

Yes, and the attack only incapacitated him for a few minutes since later we see Rodan without much damage with Ghidorah in the volcano

 

[Eseseso]

I don't even think the 7-A is necessary, we should just put them at Baseline High 6-C (aka 100 gigatons).

 

[RoTt35]

I'm fine with that

 

[Eseseso]

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[NHTkenshin2]

Yeah agreed

 

[Arceus0x]

Scale them below the norm for Monsterverse High 6-C and that's that. No need for "possiblies". This isn't pokemon or some anime where one chatacter can randomly punch another and ruin the scaling. Rodan fought Ghidorah and only lost after some time. Mothra only died to a boosted Ghidorah's combination of gravity beams after Mothra was exhausted during the bout with Rodan.
This suggests that we should scale them to High 6-C with no need for 7-A

 

[Eseseso]

Scale them below the norm for Monsterverse High 6-C and that's that. No need for "possiblies". This isn't pokemon or some anime where one chatacter can randomly punch another and ruin the scaling. Rodan fought Ghidorah and only lost after some time. Mothra only died to a boosted Ghidorah's combination of gravity beams after Mothra was exhausted during the bout with Rodan.
This suggests that we should scale them to High 6-C with no need for 7-A

Do they just scale below the 526 gigaton value for Godzilla-tier people?

Or do we backscale them to Baseline High 6-C (100 gigatons)?

I support the former a bit more but I can go either way.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Scale them below the norm for Monsterverse High 6-C

Maybe a “at least 7-A, at most high 6-C” works?

 

[Arceus0x]

Maybe a “at least 7-A, at most high 6-C” works?

Why? They scale down from Ghidorah and Godzilla, they have no antifeats, just make them High 6-C

 

[Arceus0x]

Do they just scale below the 526 gigaton value for Godzilla-tier people?

Or do we backscale them to Baseline High 6-C (100 gigatons)?

I support the former a bit more but I can go either way.

Below 526. Baseline High 6-C has no basis.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Why? They scale down from Ghidorah and Godzilla, they have no antifeats, just make them High 6-C

Doesn't “downscaling" give a “at most" rating or am i wrong?

 

[Arceus0x]

Doesn't “downscaling" give a “at most" rating or am i wrong?

No. An example of At most being used is the currently accepted and soon to be applied pokemon scaling.
Everyone downscales from rhyhorn who is shown to be very strong but never outright superior to unevolved pokemon. He scales to 1.45 megatons and the rest scale to around ~1 megaton making them "at most low 7-B"

 

[Arceus0x]

In this case even if mothra was, let's say, 5 times weaker she'd still be High 6-C

 

[1000TonsofFun]

A bit late but I agree with this. Rodan survived a Several second long gravity beam and one of these was capable of staggering Godzilla after being fired on for about a second. Rodan should also scale above the Murderfish (which is a sub Titan so is below Rodan and Mothra), the Male MUTO (cos he survived a clash with Ghidorah who should be at least as powerful as the 2014 Godzilla whilst the Male MUTO was one shouted by a single swipe of Godzilla’s tail) and Warbat (was instantly taken out by Kong and was only gonna kill him by strangling him which does make him strong but not necessarily as strong as Rodan as Ghidorah is definitely stronger than Kong)

 

[Bernkastelll]

Of course I agree, but I think that the 7-A rating should be removed

 

[RoTt35]

Yeah, it was already decided that Rodan would directly upgrade from 7-A to High 6-C, should we do the same with his Lifting Strength? It is currently "Class M, possibly Class G"

 

[Eseseso]

Any mods wanna help by giving their opinion?

 

[Eseseso]

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[1000TonsofFun]

Yeah, it was already decided that Rodan would directly upgrade from 7-A to High 6-C, should we do the same with his Lifting Strength? It is currently "Class M, possibly Class G"

He should scale above Number 10 so I’d say so

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Can we put this in already?

 

[RoTt35]

Can we put this in already?

We need input or agreements from staff

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Yeah, this seems fine to add. Straight up High 6-C works.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

So it's settled?

 

[RoTt35]

So it's settled?

Yes, who can apply the changes to the profiles of Rodan and Mothra?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yes, who can apply the changes to the profiles of Rodan and Mothra?

me

 

[Eseseso]

me

I appreciate it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

While we're at it, may we change Ghidorah from High 6-C to At least High 6-C?

I don't understand why he isn't already considering he is almost exactly equal to Godzilla who is only insignificantly stronger considering the two of them struck each other just as hard. Ghidorah's triple gravity beams knocked down Godzilla for a decent amount of time. That and they're stated to be equals.