You sound so pissed right now.
Im irked, not pissed, thats a difference and thats cuz its annoying to do argue on vs stuff
See, the difference between you and me is that I'm pretty open to new opinions and changes (at least, relatively) and you're not because you have your own hard-established idea in your head of how Tekken should be and you stubbornly push it onto others and get pissed and throw hissy fits if they don't accept it. This is how you've been since 2017 and you're still relatively the same.
First of all, im not open to opinions unless they have something i can certainly agree with and make sense, the jack 6 calc made years ago i agree was wrong given the feat actually says a size for the meteor, what i dont agree with is the downplay to 900 megatons (mountain+), when the feat should be = to the real life dino one existing on the site with a profile, which is country+, along the stupid arguments of falling pieces for KE > Jack or claiming KE cant be used, especially when Gun Jack by his own feat with correct info in account is around 300 megatons, just x3 below the lowballed jack 6 feat, let alone where Jack 4 and Jack 5 should be at from scaling and statements, makes no sense for that rating existing
Also given how this verse has a notorious lowball history here and outside the site, stuff like city level at best or other feats being just building to multi city block, need i remind you Kazuya was 8-B when Dark was still active? Due to a headcanon he admitted wrong after that base form was that low but devil gene amps him at city level, which is ridiculous, so excuse me im not "open" to opinions when most online are from people who think having tens or hundred hours in the game offline or online can debate power levels of a fictional series
And just because I agreed with the Jack AP downgrade doesn't mean I'm a downplayer; I just think the arguments provided for the meteor AP downgrade was reasonable. You put up a good (albeit dirty) fight, but you failed in that thread. If you wanna argue with this so bad, go post your own thread about it like I said before or don't bring it up at all. Because those aren't what I'm intending to discuss on both of my current threads, and bringing them up would just muddle up the discussions.
I didnt fail anything, OP was unhumanly stubborn person to talk with anything, then a calcer which i still aint gonna forgive ever decided to report me for voicing out the incapability of the debaters there were, cuz apparently the internet is sensitive for calling someone not smart even when it was true from the numerous instances
I explained on the jack 6 matter anyway, you wont care anyway cuz apparently you said so
And yeah, keep accusing me of downplaying just because I'm skeptic instead of giving me concrete arguments that counter mine. Because that definitely helps your case.
I honestly cant see what is even skeptic of the feats in question at all, i would have understopd it more if it was more regarding lore granting a tier, like how dragon ball characters used to have claims they destroy in a given range something but not having feats for it precisely, besides statements, you just argue visual stuff for no reason in my eyes
Like I said, that speed is how fast Kazumi moved her head to change the laser's direction. Avoiding it still requires a high amount of speed, but I doubt the speed you need would have to be sub-relativistic. Can you try removing that doubt by providing a better argument?
What are you even talking about....the laser speed is for the laser, not her head movement and that is irrelevant, Heihachi still dodges it after its fired, you cant calculate the speed you need to dodge another thing you calculated from another feat, thats calc stacking, which isnt allowed and goes into inflated or lowballed stats, unless the laser had a constant speed, like being as fast as light for example, a calc could be made, but not for the former mentioned thing, they scale to the speed of the laser
And as i told you and linked it in your threads too, the devil gene laser is relativistic, not sub-rel, the gun jack feat is sub rel, due to T7 having a brief moment showing how high the satellite was, buffing the speed of both feats, on which i made an upgrade thread with speed time ago alomg lifting strength
Akuma reacting to the laser when it's very close to him is the most concrete sub rel evidence we have in Tekken 7 so far, which is why I emphasized him the most dodging it in the Special Chapter. Please elaborate more on this. Give me a calc link to this specific feat, or provide a more convincing argument, etc. Anything that would convince me.
I explained above already on the matter, not repeating
And Akuma fired the hadouken first. Kazuya only fired his beam immediately after. If there's a concrete implication that they fired it at the same time, of course, that I wasn't aware of, because, as you stated, my ADHD-addled brain wasn't paying attention, feel free to give it to me.
If he fired first, the hadouken would travel more distance, as far as i can tell both met in the middle, aka both had to be fired simultaneously to clash in the middle equally, not each time seeing a scene be 1st means it was actually done 1st, especially when fiction has moments of two characters attack at the same time but each in different panels or scenes with one going first
You're free to believe what you wanna believe. But right now, the burden of proof is on you-- I'm asking you to convince me by providing evidence, and you refuse to give the link --the concrete evidence-- to me. You should definitely be the one to provide and you can't accuse me of being lazy, dumb, anything you wanna call me because you're the one trying to prove your case to me, and you're the first one to bring up that there's a sub rel reaction feat from Akuma and Heihachi in 7.
I dont know where you looked at, only leopold and death battle used T2, any other place uses T7 stuff for the speed, either that or gun jack, but its lower
The Holidays are also the reason why I've been gone for like a week before coming back here. And I've been VERY busy too. I posted both these threads before and during my final exam week and right afterwards had to prepare for Christmas, and now I'm currently preparing for the New Year's Eve too, and I STILL bothered spending time with these threads, and through my PHONE too. All because I care about Tekken. And if you've given yourself the time to participate in this thread, can you actually blame me if I demand you to do something nor think you have the time to do these things? Can you blame me if I thought you had the time especially when you've almost always responded nearly immediately after every reply I post? And I can't even have that same luxury, because because I don't have enough time.
Just cuz i reply in some threads, doesnt mean i got time to look up something which i might not even find quick, either here or outside the site and outside it, it doesnt save my replies here, aka i lose my progress i spent time writing, which why on PC or laptop that isnt an issue, i can open tabs and keep my progress
The CRTs i did before required the above mentioned and hours of time spent for that, best i can do on my phone is give you the source or place of something or simply say it, i cant do anything more then that if i write long comments, also i have other stuff to do besides vs stuff, student things for university at times or simply i might wanna relax with watching something or playing a game, you ask too much especially on a thing many quit for how less fun it becomes with time and stressful
But... at least you've clarified it's from Dark649. I'll instead do a digging on my own because you can't be bothered to do so. You weren't lying when you gave up with the verse and maybe even vs debating in general, as I've heard.
If you were in my place and circumstances, you would have quit too
You can definitely duck from the overhead lasers from a flying Devil Jin or Kazuya in-game depending on where you're located. And Even with the overhead angle
No you cant, flying laser attacks in game are dodged by side step or side walk, you cant duck them like the standing lasers
it was obvious Heihachi could have avoided it by crouching, the same way you can in Tekken 2 by crouching depending on your position, whether you're close to him or from afar, as you can't sidestep pre Tekken 3
Um no, tekken 2 you had to jump backwards against the flying lasers, you can duck them, what you talking is going forward till you are so underneath them its avoided, which in that scenario isnt the case as Heihachi is cornered by the triangle of lava, nulling both cases and those were in old games, that in modern ones arent viable anymore
And the angle of that laser Kazuya fired in Tekken 7 is pretty generous; Heihachi can definitely duck from it, but I can also see why he'd choose to enter Raijin stance, so... this part of the argument ends here, pretty much, as continuing means moot because it wouldn't prove nor disprove the fact of whether or not Heihachi can react to it.
I explained above, its not generous or definitive, Heihachi had to deal with it in a limited situation with what he had, if he was able to dodge as you say, he wouldnt rely to a parry stance which didnt help in the instance
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Kazuya dodging Jin's laser is pretty recent, only out this month. Hell, all of Tekken 8 is (obv.) recent. Whether we agree or not on each other regarding whether or not there are Sub rel reaction feats from Hei and Akuma in Tekken 7, Kazuya's recent feat certainly validates Heihachi's T2 feat NOW if said user denied it back then. The main point is that Kazuya's dodge feat in 8 is more concrete of an evidence that those you provided from 7.
No it wasnt more concrete, those speeds were simply by those, no T2 and T8 is brief only
I'm not saying those reaction feats are completely invalid; like, you can certainly argue that they can be used as proof. I'm just saying their very nature as feats are way more questionable and arguable in comparison to Kaz's dodging feat in 8.
No they aint, you are literally the only person who ever said this and for no good reasons other then stuff like "they moved the head", "they didnt dodge the laser itself" etc, these are half a decade mindset from a time vs debating was horrible and full of double standards, not like these arent anyway still existing at times
