Possible Marvel Cinematic Universe Upgrades

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Heat

The destructive feat was a colaboration between multiple parties, yes.

However, Thor was at the epicenter of the explosion and came off unharmed by it, so it fully scales to his durability. As such, we can simply assume that the Chain Reaction was done to achieve a higher range, not AP.

 

[Theglassman12]

Since hulk got an upgrade to 7-B, can we remove his win and loss since both of them are up against an 8-A character?

 

[RadicalMrR]

Can someone list the AoS characters that need to be updated.

Also I need captain america's profile unlocked.

 

[Heatforce]

@Matthew Schroeder, understood but to me it just seems like if Thor could do it himself then neither Ironman nor the Vibranium spire would be necessary. For me, raising Thor to "probably or potentially city level" makes more sense. Either way the decision was already made so just throwing in my opinion.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I'm the only one who thinks that Ant-Man should be downgraded?

 

[Gemmysaur]

Why? The Large Building thing? I suppose so. Maybe building level? At that Giant-man size, he only needs to do a wrestling move on a building or something.

 

[Dinobot1996]

If we go by powerscaling, Giant-Man should be 8-A for being shown as at least as strong as Iron Man and War Machine, whose armors at the time were more advanced than the Iron Man Mark 6 armor, which performed the Multi-City Block level feat. Otherwise, he probably should be 8-C. He doesn't currently have many feats in giant form that don't involve powerscaling, which complicates matters.

 

[Asyulus]

If we go by powerscaling, Giant-Man should be 8-A for being shown as at least as strong as Iron Man and War Machine, whose armors at the time were more advanced than the Iron Man Mark 6 armor, which performed the Multi-City Block level feat. Otherwise, he probably should be 8-C. He doesn't currently have many feats in giant form that don't involve powerscaling, which complicates matters.

I'll doubt that Giant-Man should be scaled from Iron Man and War Machine, those were weaker suits than Mark 6, since a falling car damaged them and received multiple contusions, if you watched Captain America: Civil War.

Also, Captain America and Bucky were beating Tony, what the hell?

 

[Antvasima]

I have adjusted the rating for Captain America's shield.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We shouldn't powerscale anyone in Civil War, safe Wanda to Vision.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

We shouldn't powerscale anyone in Civil War, safe Wanda to Vision.

So, the Mark 45 was the only armor in the movie


That has several Wall level feats, which is casually the tier of the Cap and Bucky!


Also, Why SpiderMan has "At least Wall level, likely higher". The difference between wall and room is +4000 times. I even think that Loki being 9-A is absurd

 

[Gemmysaur]

I think we can safely say the CW armor is a weaker model made to subdue than actually hurt.

• Repulsors set to continuous fire doesn't even leave burn marks on the ceiling

• Gets hurt by raining cars when previous armors can survive hits from Thor and the like

• Half of all the shown armaments in the movie are non-lethal suppression types (e.g. Hawkeye's arrows, Warmachine's armaments which you actually see him switch up with his actual weaponry that totaled the truck before it hit him, Vision not doing anything at all until that missed forehead beam, the lack of guns on 2 assassins, tiny missiles, etc.

• They themselves saying, "It's just a spar", "The plan was go easy on them", etc.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Yeah

We already saw IM passing from 8-C armor to 9-B ones.


But, if we make a key for Mark 45, Ant-Man should be downgraded


Also, I still thinkikng that Spider-Man should be 9-B and Loki "At least 9-B"

 

[Asyulus]

Yeah

We already saw IM passing from 8-C armor to 9-B ones.


But, if we make a key for Mark 45, Ant-Man should be downgraded


Also, I still thinkikng that Spider-Man should be 9-B and Loki "At least 9-B"

You made a mistake, that Civil War armor is Mark 46, not Mark 45. Mark 45 is the one from Age of Ultron.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@Aiden, I suggest removing the extra spaces.

But yeah, I agree with Room level Spidey and At least Room level Loki.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

What's being downgrade here again?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

But yeah, I agree with Room level Spidey and At least Room level Loki.

I.... suggested the opposite

 

[AidenBrooks999]

What's being downgrade here again?

Ant Man and Loki

And Spider-Man would be Straight 9-B

 

[AidenBrooks999]

And Iron Man Mark 2-4 Durability should be Building+ only, since the Large Building result is wrong

 

[Gemmysaur]

I.... suggested the opposite

Really? I could've sworn I saw Room and At least Room in your comment with regards to Spidey and Loki respectively.

I dunno. Wall level is kinda low, and we know for a fact that Cap's best punch doesn't make Loki budge and his roundhouse kick did little more than push Loki's head a bit.

If Loki was that low, he won't be parrying Thor's strikes at all. He'd get squished, but he isn't.

Then there's his durability which is MCB for not turning to mush from the bifrost exploding on his crotch area. Considering he's quite physical for a mage-type to Thor's bruiser, I don't think his AP would stray that far off from his durability.

Then there's his being strong enough to actually push a dagger into Thor's flesh through his armor.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. If anything, 9-A seems very low compared to Thor's 7-B.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Wait.

9-A is from being stronger than Cap, but I don't see Loki +4000 times stronger.


His Durability and AP with weapons should be updated tho.

 

[Naitez]

Anyone here thought of Thor going easy on Loki since he doesn't want to kill him most of the time? Loko surviving the Bifrost explosion should be enough.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We already have Loki's Durability at that High. Not his AP, tho.

 

[Dinobot1996]

I assumed that Loki was toying with Cap during their fight.

 

[AppleLord]

What about the MC in AoS?

Daisy absorbed the shock-waves with her body to prevent an Earthquake of Unknown magnitud from destroying half of Los Angeles, the same one Ghost Rider tanked. She then released the shock-waves sending her flying up to the clouds, higher than the near buildings. Does it need a calc?

 

[Antvasima]

Loki's AP should most likely be comparable to his durability.

@AppleLord We would likely need a calculation of the earthquake's energy.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Should we scale Loki's AP to Iron Man, then? It'd give him 8-A AP, fitting with his best Durability Feat, which is also 8-A.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that seems reasonable, yes.

 

[Asyulus]

I'd be okay with Loki 8-A, since only Whiplash and Ultron scale to him.

 

[Naitez]

I think we can safely say the CW armor is a weaker model made to subdue than actually hurt.

How do you plan on calculating Iron Man Mark 46 and War Machine Mark 3?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Should we scale Loki's AP to Iron Man, then? It'd give him 8-A AP, fitting with his best Durability Feat, which is also 8-A.

Loki is 7-B in Durability


Also, did you know how many characters scale from Loki?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think 7-B Loki is wank, sorry. His Durability is far stronger than AP.

Thor is an anomaly among Asgardians in power. No one but Odin should scale to him.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that 8-A Loki seems fine.

 

[Gemmysaur]

How do you plan on calculating Iron Man Mark 46 and War Machine Mark 3?

IRON MAN Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Superior to Captain America and Winter Soldier); Insert AP feat calc here (Missiles can do this much damage); Higher with Unibeam (Vaporized Winter Soldier's metal arm)

Here are the missiles in question. Since the image is 77mb, too big for the wikia to upload, I uploaded it elsewhere.

(and a bonus shot of his crappy repulsors)

Here's the shot of his unibeam that vaporized Bucky's metal arm. I left it with higher for now until we get a calc of that which I will have to request later. I find it funny how there isn't any marking on the wall from that shot.

War Machine though, I'm too tired for that. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Dinobot1996]

8-A Loki sounds fine to me.

Falcon's profile needs to be updated, as he has missiles that should put him at 9-B and his wings can stop machine gun fire. He has also knocked people backwards and held his own against a shrunken-down Ant-Man, which should put his physical strength at 9-C.

Abomination's profile also needs to be changed to 7-B to match Hulk's upgrade. Abomination's human form key should be changed in addition, as the feat giving him Wall level durability occured after he was given a version of the Super Soldier Serum, which should put his attack potency at 9-B with Superhuman movement speed and Subsonic combat speed and reactions for being able to evade the Hulk in close combat. Hulk should also have Superhuman movement speed.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Gemmy

I didn't remember that Iron Man was 4000 times stronger than Cap to even considered an At least.

Also, Cap matched him at the end

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A testament to Cap's incredible skill, and his shield. Not his punching power.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Does one have to be 4000 times stronger to be At least or does the 4000 times stronger thing pertain to Room level? He could be Wall+ maybe. I'm geniunely asking that one since I don't know.

Cap matched him with skill. Watching the fight in the end, Tony looked to have kept flinching from the blows, unable to get a break, and Cap even at one point got the shield under his chin while he pummels him. Afterwards, Tony caught the shield with Cap's full strength if his face was any indication and he (Tony) didn't budge.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Being 4000 times stronger than the weakest Wall level makes you 9-A.

Cap seems to be 9-B+