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Possible Marvel Cinematic Universe Upgrades

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Tony received some damage from falling cars, but the armor was fine.


Then Cap made him bleed and destroyed parts of his armor and his mask.


Sorry, but I don't Iron Man Mark 45 being stronger than Cap, at best equals
 
You guys do know not everyting needs to make sense, right? The same happened in the Comicbook Civil War, Iron Man suddenly matched by Cap, who's main power is having the Plot Shield.
 
Agreed. As I keep saying, after reading several thousands of Marvel comics during my life, they definitely do not make sense at all in terms of consistency and power-scaling.

And although the Marvel Cinematic Universe is not nearly as extreme, it is still based upon their narrative structure. If it was logical, almost all of the Avengers would be redundant in fighting situations.
 
Does Loki really have City level durability? A very casual zap from Thor put him down very easily and Hulk didn't look like he took him seriously when he swung him around like a ragdoll. I'd say his durability should just be based on the Bifrost explosion. Gungir being City level's understandable since a blast from it knocked Thor through a castle wall and a stab from it brought him to his back but Loki's Scepter? Loki never managed to get a good hit on Thor with it and Thor, like the previous fight, wasn't trying at all either. What is its real AP anyway?
 
At the very least, I would think that the Scepter may be 7-B through its energy blasts due to being powered by the Mind Stone, which is also what powers Vision, who is on Thor's level. I'm not sure if that would translate to physical power, though. The Scepter was also the only thing shown to be capable of piercing the energy field generated by the Tesseract, for what that's worth.
 
I agree with 7-B Scepter, but iirc, it being able to bypass the Tesseract's barrier was because Selvig made a failsafe.

Oh, and no physical amp from the looks of it.
 
By that logic, Iron Man's AP would be City level since he's endured and tanked the Sokovia explosion just fine. Let me show you I don't think Tony is at City level AP, that looks like an inflation, and it also inflation to say Loki's AP is MCB because his durability is MCB.
 
I thought Iron Man was only at the edge of the blast from Sokovia exploding, and from the complete opposite end of the city from Thor as well.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
I thought Iron Man was only at the edge of the blast from Sokovia exploding, and from the complete opposite end of the city from Thor as well.
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We can't really now of he's in the edge. The explosion was way too big that it was much bigger than the Sokovia itself. It could be "Likely City level".
 
Well, if Loki is an average Asgardian physically, as he is in the comics, it makes no sense for him and other equivalent Asgardians to be unable to harm each other.
 
We would have to consider the Kree soldier standing up to Sif in Agents of SHIELD as an outlier though.
 
For what it's worth, I heard that on Agents of SHIELD, a Kree survived getting shot by the Destroyer Gun, which was shown to have been able to harm Loki. If that is true, it could potentially justify the Kree having Multi-City Block durabilty, though that could create other scaling issues.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
For what it's worth, I heard that on Agents of SHIELD, a Kree survived getting shot by the Destroyer Gun, which was shown to have been able to harm Loki. If that is true, it could potentially justify the Kree having Multi-City Block durabilty, though that could create other scaling issues.
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Loki wasn't harm by it and neither was the Kree who fought Sif, both of them were send flying backwards but nothing else. Its more like tanking it than anything else. The Kree was transported back to his home planet by Sif who claimed to had encounter his species before meeting him.
 
Are we sure about placing abomination on the same tier as Hulk? The dude got wrecked with a steel chain iirc. Couldn't it be argued that Banner got more powerful since the solo film?
 
They fought evenly. Abomination may be slightly stronger, but Hulk was strong enough to take him down with a little bit of ingenuity, unlike Kurse's stomping of Thor.
 
I agree they fought evenly but I think it could be argued that Hulk got stronger after his solo film. After all, Banner was training to control the hulk whereas in the solo he tried to keep the Hulk from coming out. Plus like I said, Abomination got choked out by a chain and Hulk was clearly about to kill him until Betty cried out for him to stop. Finally, during the solo Hulk didn't show any city level feats so scaling abomination who only appeared in the solo to Hulk as he is now seems a bit much.

Edit: and while it might not matter I would like to point out that Ruffalo's Hulk appears to be a bit bigger than Norton's hulk.
 
So, is anybody willing to either place the Kree and Drax statistics as Unknown, or to rescale them based on something other than an apparent outlier involving Sif?
 
Asyulus said:
In the Avengers 2012 movie, how much energy in joules would be required to nuke and destroy the entire New York City?
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The nuke would have to be as powerful as the Tsar Bomba to demolish all of New York city. And not just Manhattan.
 
Antvasima said:
So, is anybody willing to either place the Kree and Drax statistics as Unknown, or to rescale them based on something other than an apparent outlier involving Sif?
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Mmm. That would downgrade Daisy and Hive as well. Two marvel characters, and one of them is potentially an avenger while the other is stronger than Thor.
 
How is Hive stronger than Thor?

Anyway, the alternative is to upgrade all Kree warriors to 8-A, which seems a bit high to me, but I am willing to reevaluate.
 
Hive

"Likely Multi-Continent level (Caused a cataclysm on Planet Maveth, destroying an entire civilization of the native species that inhabit it and reduced Maveth to a desolate wasteland.)"

Environmental Manipulation: Hive is able to both manipulate wind and sandstorms on Maveth as well as widening chasms. He also seems to be able to manipulate the weather on the alien planet Maveth or at least thrive in sandstorms. Hive is capable of manipulating the terrain around him however he wishes. On Maveth, when Jemma Simmons and Will Daniels were about to reach a wormhole, Hive widened a canyon with his powers.

Possibly with Environmental destruction.
 
Okay then.

However, we still need input regarding what to do about Korath, Ronan, Drax, and any Kree that I have forgotten.
 
If it was stated and show that Kree's are equal to Asgardians, we are talking about a kree foot soldier, then it should not be an outlier. Loki on the other hand is not an Asgardian but a Frost giant, however, he should also powerscale because of the asgardian training that all asgardians take as they grow.

In SHIELD they even go in detail to downgrade Daisy by making her powers unstable according to her emossions and make the powers brake her bones after each use to aloud humans to take advantage and harm her. This doesn't happen if she's mentally fine or haves the gloves to stabilize her powers.
 
Well, it was in Agents of SHIELD, not the Marvel movies. I read in an interview that the movies are considered canon to AoS, but not the reverse.
 
That's true. However, you did accept Thor's outliner as legit thanks to the recent upgrades in Agents of SHIELD. There are also some movie characters that made apperances in Agents of SHIELD like Nick Fury, Lady Sif, Maria Hill and Peggy Carter. And they were play by the same actors as in the movies.
 
True enough. So do the rest of you think that Korath, Drax, and Ronan should be scaled from Sif?
 
I don't know if this could help more, but in Daredevil there's a reference and footage from Agents of SHIELD. The "WatchDogs" inccident with Punisher. In the Doctor Strange movie the book missing from the shell is suppose to be the Darkhold in Agents of SHIELD. While not mention in the movie, in an interview there was mention of a crossover within the two, and that book is heavily use to imply magic in the show.
 
Okay. We should probably wait for more input before any upgrades of the Kree and Guardians characters though.
 
Hive seems incredibly odd and outlierish, and we don't know how he destroyed the planet.

Also, Kree are absolutely not 8-A.

I'm also uncertain assuming that Loki = All fodder Asgardians. Loki is a Frost Giant Sorcerer who's one of the heirs to Odin's throne. He's far above the foot soldiers.
 
Was it explicitly mentioned how he destroyed the planet? Razing the surface? Conquering the people and laying waste to their cities one by one?

Hive said to Leo Fitz:

"There used to be nine cities on this planet. The beings who lived there were fairly advanced. But they feared change. They were easily divided. They warred among themselves, destroyed their entire race."

This quote is making me question the whole planet destroying thing.

Also, this...

Definition of Cataclysm according to dictionary.com:

1.any violent upheaval, especially one of a social or political nature.

2.Physical Geography. a sudden and violent physical action producing changes in the earth's surface.

3.an extensive flood; deluge.

If anything, it looked to me like Hive didn't outright destroy the planet, so much as inciting them to wiping themselves out.
 
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